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the dd hammock is to short.i would even take my camo hennessy over it 100 to one.i am sure there are people here that will love this hammock.any way i am glad i got the hammock,once again my claytor jungle rules.on a scale of 1 to 10 i would rate this hammock a 3 at best.my neck is killing me:cool:neo
http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=3765&c=2
http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=3764&c=2
i went back outside and played with this hammock a little more t give it the benefit of doubt,now my back hurts,this hammock absolutely sucks.its just to short,another thing tnhe pad sleeve dont work as good as the claytor,now i rate this hammock a 1 at best.its to short :cool:neo
Greg Dunlap
07-22-2008, 17:10
Well gee now Neo, give us some more input. How tall are you and how much do you weigh?? I'm 6 foot and 215 lbs and if it's doing that to you and lets say your 5'9" and 175 lbs., you can sure imagine what it would do to me.:eek:
FanaticFringer
07-22-2008, 17:16
I'm sure opinions will vary. I thought the same thing about the Claytor.:D
Well gee now Neo, give us some more input. How tall are you and how much do you weigh?? I'm 6 foot and 215 lbs and if it's doing that to you and lets say your 5'9" and 175 lbs., you can sure imagine what it would do to me.:eek:
i am 5 ft 7 in tall.its not much longer than my 72 in military ultralite therma rest.my byer mosquitto is much more comfortable than this.i am extremely disa pointed in this hammock,only thing i liked about it is the color,thats the only thing,its worthless to me:cool:neo
I'm sure opinions will vary. I thought the same thing about the Claytor.:D
short hammocks suck period nothing to do with opinion:cool:neo
i think i am going to take a lawsuit out on dd hammock for neck and back pain
i should have known better than to buy a hammock that short:cool:neo
angrysparrow
07-22-2008, 17:31
Actually, that is very much a matter of opinion Neo, and it's clear that you've given yours already. You'll just have to understand us if we don't take one dissenting opinion as the final word. There have been favorable reviews of the DD Hammock posted before on this forum, and within the coming days/weeks I'm sure there will be more opinions posted. Some will agree with you, likely, and some won't. The consensus opinion (sum of all reviews) should be a good guideline for the overall quality of the hammock.
edited to add - This is a perfect opportunity for you to use the 4sale section, Neo. I'm sure someone will take it off your hands, happily.
Sue the manufacturer because the buyer should have known better. I love it. :D I never thought you'd be happy with it neo. :cool:
Great now we are all going to have to kill HC4U:D. I'll buy your DD Neo. How much is a hammock that you give a rating of 1 to, $7. I have a hammock stretcher.
Actually, that is very much a matter of opinion Neo, and it's clear that you've given yours already. You'll just have to understand us if we don't take one dissenting opinion as the final word. There have been favorable reviews of the DD Hammock posted before on this forum, and within the coming days/weeks I'm sure there will be more opinions posted. Some will agree with you, likely, and some won't. The consensus opinion (sum of all reviews) should be a good guideline for the overall quality of the hammock.
edited to add - This is a perfect opportunity for you to use the 4sale section, Neo. I'm sure someone will take it off your hands, happily.
it to short if it was longer it would be a great hammck:cool:neo
Ramblinrev
07-22-2008, 17:51
Great now we are all going to have to kill HC4U:D. I'll buy your DD Neo. How much is a hammock that you give a rating of 1 to, $7. I have a hammock stretcher.
I'll give you $9 and pay for shipping. any more than that and you'll have to ship it at no extra charge.
headchange4u
07-22-2008, 18:38
Great now we are all going to have to kill HC4U:D.
Don't shoot the messenger.:D
i am not fat and in pretty good shape for a guy almost 50 that is diabetic and has hepititis c.i stay very active so its not like i am a lard a-s that will not fit in the hammock.its to short thats why i cant get comfortable in it.i lift wieghts 3 times a week,cycle 2 times a week and kayak my butt off every weekend so i am not a 300 lb slouch, in fact i have lost 23 lbs since febuary.:cool:neo
http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=2930&catid=member&imageuser=11
Don't shoot the messenger.:D
jason the hammock as only one problem its less than 9 ft long thats the deciding factor that makes the hammock unusable:cool:neo
i :Dagree dont shoot the messenger:cool:neo
headchange4u
07-22-2008, 18:48
I had to do some checking because I thought the Claytor and the DD Hammock were the same length, with the DD Hammock being a bit wider, so here's the facts:
Claytor Jungle:
Length: 300cm (9.84 ft)
Width: 125cm (4.01 ft)
DD Hammock:
Length: 2.7m (8.84 ft)
Width: 1.4m (4.59 ft)
So yes the Claytor is 1 foot longer than the DD but DD is still an almost 9 foot long hammock. That's bigger than I am used to but shorter than you normally use neo. The DD is about 6" wider than the Claytor. That says you can probably hang the hammock with a little more sag than you do with a Claytor and go more diagonal in the hammock.
I plan on doing a day hike Thursday so hopefully I will get a chance to play with the hammock.
Frolicking Dino
07-22-2008, 18:53
Sorry to hear the hammock is so short - maybe your younger boy can use it?
:mad:the hammock is already falling apart,some of the loop were barely hanging on when i got it out of the bag,most of the other one have came off
after i strung it up by the elastic cord that came with it.yep the hammock is not only to short it is falling apart plus the mosquitto netting coming unraveled to.:cool:neo
Sorry to hear the hammock is so short - maybe your younger boy can use it?
the hammock is falling apart the mosquttio netting and loop are defective:cool:neo
i threw the hammock in the garbage:cool:neo
:mad:the hammock is already falling apart,some of the loop were barely hanging on when i got it out of the bag,most of the other one have came off
after i strung it up by the elastic cord that came with it.yep the hammock is not only to short it is falling apart plus the mosquitto netting coming unraveled to.:cool:neo
its is in the garbage can now.:cool:neo
and no longer a problem:(
jason the hammock as only one problem its less than 9 ft long thats the deciding factor that makes the hammock unusable:cool:neo
i :Dagree dont shoot the messenger:cool:neo
another problem was discovered defective netting and loops all pulled off
in the garbage can now:cool:neo
i guess i ended up with the rotten apple in the bag:cool:neo
I'll give you $9 and pay for shipping. any more than that and you'll have to ship it at no extra charge.
to late its in the trash.after all but 2 of the loops came of when i hung the netting and i found netting not sewn to zipper at one end i threw is a way.trash is trash.i got the rotten apple in the bag:cool:neo
NCPatrick
07-22-2008, 19:35
Well, you had a couple of offers. You still could have sold it. :confused:
headchange4u
07-22-2008, 19:37
neo,
The hammocks were sold as seconds and Nick said that there were problems with loops on the netting. Dont' throw it away. I'm sure that someone who can repair will take it off your hands and you could recover most, if not all of your money.
Actually, that is very much a matter of opinion Neo, and it's clear that you've given yours already. You'll just have to understand us if we don't take one dissenting opinion as the final word. There have been favorable reviews of the DD Hammock posted before on this forum, and within the coming days/weeks I'm sure there will be more opinions posted. Some will agree with you, likely, and some won't. The consensus opinion (sum of all reviews) should be a good guideline for the overall quality of the hammock.
edited to add - This is a perfect opportunity for you to use the 4sale section, Neo. I'm sure someone will take it off your hands, happily.
to late its in the trash,hen all but 2 of the loops came off when i hung the netting and i found were netting not sewn to zipper there was only one thing to do trash it.talk about quality control.i hope every one else getts a better one than i did:cool:neo
may be i can get some use out of the stuff sack:cool:neo
daibutsu
07-22-2008, 19:40
I tried to check the "Made in China" thread to see if DD were of that ilk... It seems DD was evasive like HH.
i am mad and disgusted with dd hammocks.i bet this guy does nothing for his customers like tom claytor does i just have to take a loss and be mad about it.:cool:neo
neo,
The hammocks were sold as seconds and Nick said that there were problems with loops on the netting. Dont' throw it away. I'm sure that someone who can repair will take it off your hands and you could recover most, if not all of your money.
its not worth digging out of the trash can:cool:neo
daibutsu
07-22-2008, 20:03
i just sent them an email questioning Chinese manufacture, let's see what happens.
I'm certain neo has had a pretty bad experience with his DD but, after reading his posting frenzy in this thread and the other DD thread, I wonder if he recently fell out of his Claytor and hit his head. :confused:
good luck every body,maybe i am the only person that screwed on this one:cool:neo
neo,
The hammocks were sold as seconds and Nick said that there were problems with loops on the netting. Dont' throw it away. I'm sure that someone who can repair will take it off your hands and you could recover most, if not all of your money.
i would not call these hammocks secounds they are pi-s poor made not even sewn at all in some places,they are trash not secounds:cool:neo
nicks screwed us what else can i say and probally got the worst one yet:cool:neo
good luck every body,maybe i am the only person that screwed on this one:cool:neo
So what you are saying is you don't like the hammock as much as your TC, right? How tall is Goosepepper Enema, maybe it fits him/her better.
So what you are saying is you don't like the hammock as much as your TC, right? How tall is Goosepepper Enema, maybe it fits him/her better.
the hammock was not sewn proper and what really makes me mad,not even secounds,a batch of crap he is selling because he had them made,i emailed him several times and and gave him a tennessee red neck a-s chewing:cool:neo
i just dont like getting screwed
i cant remember when i have been this ticked off:cool:neo
slowhike
07-22-2008, 20:39
i cant remember when i have been this ticked off:cool:neo
Take a deep breath bro... don't let that blood pressure get ya.
What may help would be to take a nap in your claytor:)
What may help would be to take a nap in your claytor:)
With a 1/5th of good old No. 7. :cool:
Take a deep breath bro... don't let that blood pressure get ya.
What may help would be to take a nap in your claytor:)
maybe every one else will have better luck than me:cool:neo
slowhike
07-22-2008, 20:53
maybe every one else will have better luck than me:cool:neo
Hopefully so. Why don't we just wait & see.
for those of you that do get a dd hammock that is still usable or repairable one thing i highly recommend is through the webbing that comes with it in the trash and convert to the ring buckle set up.the webbing is simular to the claytor webbing basically worthless.i feel like a kid in a candy store that just got robbed.my excitement turned quickly to dissapointment and diaster:cool:neo
Neo, take a deep breath. You could have at least salvaged the fabric rather than just pitching it out. Or called DD, or sold it to one of us.
I don't even notice the length of the hammock because of the width, and I am taller than you by 3 inches. I usually lay diagonally in mine, due to the added width. Maybe your comfort in the hammock was due to the sag - it hangs differently than other hammocks, and just like any hammock, the sag needs to be played with to find your sweet spot.
As far as the quality - Nick did say they were 2nds, and that the tabs may have sewing issues. I wish you had taken pics of the failures b4 you pitched the hammock out - it would have been very informative for the rest of us to see what to watch for.
I, for one, will inspect all the seams and tabs before hanging, and resew the tabs b4 putting any stress on them if they show any sign of improper sewing or weakness. I may even sew a grosgrain strip the length of the tabs for reinforcement if it seems to be an issue.
I know you are mad about the situation, but any manufacturer can have some defects, and these were sold as 2nds, not as pristine, perfect merchandise. Hopefully nobody else has these issues you reported, or has been too colored by your report to give a good hammock a try. Yes, the DD is a good hammock, despite your report, and is a very comfortable hammock. I have no issues with my first one, and expect no issues with the new one I'm getting from the group buy. If I do, I will report honestly and descriptively on the issues, with pictures of the failures. And I will contact DD about the hammock in question if it came to that, and I would expect a response from Nick in return. But again, I expect no issues because I already have a DD. It's not my main hammock (that is a Clark,) but it is a great hammock for the price, and I have no reservations about the quality or material used in the DD.
headchange4u
07-23-2008, 08:14
neo et al,
When the idea of the DD Hammock group buy first came up I posted an interest check thread (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4596)which stated, at the bottom of the thread, quoted from Nick @ DD Hammocks:
The only reason they are seconds is because of missing or weak mosquito net loops - other than that there is nothing wrong with them. There are normally 5 loops to support the net at either end so even with a couple of unusable loops the net can still be supported and with 10 minutes sewing you can have all the loops back in place.
I know that you are angry and you feel like you have been wronged, but I mentioned several times the fact that the hammocks had sewing defects. Nick even asked me to remind the people ordering that there was some problems with the tabs on the netting, which I did in this post (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showpost.php?p=67836&postcount=54).
I think the bad name that you are trying to give Nick and DD Hammocks is undeserved. I am really happy with my hammock and Nick has been great through this whole process. He answered any questions that I had very quickly and was very nice guy to deal with overall. The whole group buy transaction went incredibly smooth and I couldn't be happier with the whole process. I mean I ordered the hammocks on a Monday, they shipped on Tuesday, and I got them on Friday...from the UK. I have had packages come from the West Coast that took longer to get to me.
I really wish you had contacted me before throwing the hammock in the trash and I would have tried to work something out with you.
I think, as other receive their hammocks, they will chime and a let people know that the DD Hammock is really a quality product overall, despite the sewing errors that were made public before anyone ordered the first hammock.
headchange4u
07-23-2008, 08:18
Nick @ DD Hammocks sent me an email this morning:
Hi Jason,
I received a couple of emails from Rick (Neo on Hammock Forums) last night.
I'm really upset that he posted what he did and the way in which he went about it.
Below is a copy of my reply to his email which I'm happy to be posted on Hammock Forums. Personally I find such an avalanche of one sided negative comments like this ridiculous especially given the fact that Rick didn't wait for a response from me and only emailed me after he had posted numerous times. Forum threads are generally placed quite high on search engines and this is going to do alot of damage to DD Hammocks. As I say below it would be good to hear from others as I'm sure not many people will share his views.
Thank you,
Nick
-----------------copy of email sent to Rick (Neo)--------------------
Hi Rick,
I'm really upset with the whats happened here.
The damage you have done to DD Hammocks name by posting the way you did on Hammock Forums is huge.
First you say "this hammock absolutely sucks" because it is too short for you. Well I can tell you this is the first time I've heard of anyone your height saying that about the Hammock. Our Hammocks used to be slightly shorter and due to customer feedback we made them longer - from all the feedback we received we came to the conclusion that the current length would be the ideal length for the majority of people (any longer would be a waste of material). We have even had a couple of people requesting a smaller size (this includes a survival school).
You then go on to tell people that the Hammock is "worthless to me" because of the size. Thats fair enough if you really feel its too small, of course you are entitled to your opinion, however why did you feel the need to say this repeatedly? As a self proclaimed "hard core hammock camper a 4season hammock camper at that" (as you said in another email to me) did you go back to the Hammock and experiment to see if you could make yourself more comfortable in it?
Its clear by this stage you already have it in for the DD Hammock, "short hammocks suck period nothing to do with opinion" - again this is your opinion on a point you have already made several times! Maybe other people could be given time to have a say about the size.
An hour later your Hammock is apparently "falling apart" - the Hammock was sold to you as a 'second' as I stated before you bought it this was due to loose loops on the mosquito net. It should NOT have had any other problems.
You mention the mosquito net was "not sewn to zipper either" - if this was the case I'm sorry, to the best of my knowledge we have never had that problem before. As with most products on the market very occasionally there is a problem, although we try our best to ensure that it does not happen. In this case we would expect you to CONTACT US regarding the problem and see what could be done about it. What did you do? In less than four hours you posted 23 times on Hammocks Forums negative comments about DD Hammocks without waiting for even one response from us. This I personally find rediculous!
After a number of posts about the Hammock being garbage you post this "i am mad and disgusted with dd hammocks.i bet this guy does nothing for his customers like tom claytor does i just have to take a loss and be mad about it."
Why didn't you email "this guy" and wait for a response from him before posting this??? If you had emailed me or read other feedback on the web about DD Hammocks you'd find most people would say we have very high standard of customer service.
You will obviously be surprised to know we will replace any Hammock with problems. Also if you were unhappy with the size of the Hammock we could have offered you a refund if you'd returned the Hammock to us. Things you didn't even consider.. Another thing you must also be unaware of is I welcome customer feedback (there is a page on DD Hammocks' website - http://www.ddhammocks.com/ideas.php - where we ask people for their ideas so we can work to improve our products).
Then you post this "nicks screwed us what else can i say and probally got the worst one yet" - I'm offended by your comments here. I have never tried to screw anyone, as the people that know me could tell you. DD Hammocks has been around for over three years, if we had the attitude that you refer to would we still be here?
So after your posting frenzy what have you achieved? Did you get a replacement Hammock or a refund as you could have...no but you have managed to cause a massive amount of damage to DD Hammocks' name by your posting frenzy (23 times in under 4 hours!) on a great website.
As I think is probably clear by now I'm extremely unhappy with the comments you made and don't think you gave the Hammock or our customer service a chance. Your second email I found quite abusive.
I, as I guess others too, would like to hear from different people about their Hammocks. Maybe you can give others a chance to say what they think?
Regards,
Nick
[email protected]
http://www.ddhammocks.com
i emailed nick back this morning.i told he should be more upset with the people
that poorly made his hammocks not someone like me that got a really bad one.i hope every body here gets a etter deal than i did.nick acts like i committed a crime bad mouthing his extremely poorly made hammock.
i will always remember him as a masn that dont care about what he sells on the internet:cool:neo
Nick @ DD Hammocks sent me an email this morning:
what going to to do dd hammocks damage is him selling hammocks that a poorly sewn:cool:neo
angrysparrow
07-23-2008, 08:56
Neo - you are entitled to your opinion. And that opinion has been heard. Now, please stop spamming the forum with repeated negative posts about DD Hammocks. Let's give everyone else in the group buy a chance to get their hammocks and have their say, just like you've had yours.
Frankly, as a member of HF I'm 'embarassed by association' for the way you've reacted.
eugeneius
07-23-2008, 09:00
Wow, I am slightly disgusted and embarrassed myself for your tirade over your quick impressions of DD hammocks Neo, rubbing someone the wrong way to the point of that person sending a personal message about company name damage and badgering? I have not once on this website read a post or review that was not addressed in an objective manner (informative) with respect and courteous objective criticism or input being given to the individuals involved. One subjectively negative hammock experience from a biased Claytor lover shouldn't be the only taste potentially thousands of people who browse Hammockforums are left with in their mouth concerning DD hammocks. From the number of extremely rude and distasteful comments left at the beginning of this thread I don't know how anyone will, you didn't give DD a flippin' chance. I highly doubt DD hammocks years of work, production, and customer service is "trash" or "sucks", not everyone is out to get people or "screw" them over. I have no experience with DD hammocks, however the manner and tone in Nicks email response to you Neo reflects very much the way in which DD hammocks conducts themselves in my opinion. I'm sure you've toned down Neo and the steam is settling, but man, you might want to see about editing or deleting some of your emotionally visceral responses at the beginning of this thread and let others actually test and respond. My 2 cents.
Negative post removed. The one-sided rant/tirade is finished.
eugeneius
07-23-2008, 09:02
We hear you loud and clear......again :rolleyes:
angrysparrow
07-23-2008, 09:07
i am going to get louder and clearer then:cool:neo
No, you're not. Further negative posts from you will be removed. Period. This tirade is over.
edited to add- You're welcome to post constructively, but just bashing the manufacturer must stop.
Lone Wolf
07-23-2008, 09:19
Personally- I am looking forward to getting the hammock. My expectation is that the hammock will be a "second with the possibility of a loop or two may need a little sewing, but the hammock is completely functional. I am doing an overnight this weekend with the DD and plan to report an objective view of the hammock. I'm 5'8" and the width of this hammock should afford me a nice diagonal lay.
NEO- Sorry to hear your so unhappy.
Jason- Thanks again for arranging this buy, please dont let this thread prevent you from coordinating future group buys. You did an excellent job of providing details of what we are to expect and the process of buying was a breeze. Again- thanks.
If I have an issue with the hammock, I will contact Nick(who seems like a person committed to customer service).
Personally- I am looking forward to getting the hammock. My expectation is that the hammock will be a "second with the possibility of a loop or two may need a little sewing, but the hammock is completely functional. I am doing an overnight this weekend with the DD and plan to report an objective view of the hammock. I'm 5'8" and the width of this hammock should afford me a nice diagonal lay.
NEO- Sorry to hear your so unhappy.
Jason- Thanks again for arranging this buy, please dont let this thread prevent you from coordinating future group buys. You did an excellent job of providing details of what we are to expect and the process of buying was a breeze. Again- thanks.
If I have an issue with the hammock, I will contact Nick(who seems like a person committed to customer service).
he never made any kind of an offer to make things right.:cool:neo
Lone Wolf
07-23-2008, 09:30
I hear ya bro.
I am yakking this weekend NEO and will send some pics to ya. I loved your last set of pics with the animals.
i got the hammock out of the trash.i did not get dirty.i added the ring buckle set up from my claytor no net.it lays better but the netting in my face.only one loop still intact at each end,i got to hire some body to fix it:cool:neo
an email i sent nick
hi nick
sorry i used a lot of curse words,but i have a really
bad temper when i get a bad deal.i am only out $67.00
total.but how can i give a hammock a chance with netting
in my face.i got the hammock out of the trash.it did not really
get dirty.i threw the webbing away and added my ring buckle system
and it lays a lot better now .i am going to hire someone to sticth
new netting loops on it.how come you dont offer your good
hammocks on your website and only secounds.
any way i hope you do get a grip on your quality control.
cheers to ya mate rick
the remaining 2 tabs are coming off also.i highly recommend every body removes the tabs,and start from scratch.the tabs are sewn on very frayed ends thats why they pull off so easily.the tabs end are shallowly sewn in at that.i would also use different tab webbing when you make new tabs,unfortunatly for me i do not sew.i will have to find someone to fix mine.
:cool:neo
Got my two hammocks today, they must have sent me the wrong ones, cannot not find anything wrong with them. Hung them in my basement, looked them over, bounced around, still could not see why they were seconds. Will hang them this weekend & do more testing.
HCFU thank you for all the work & time doing this deal. Will give field report later.
Ken.
Got my two hammocks today, they must have sent me the wrong ones, cannot not find anything wrong with them. Hung them in my basement, looked them over, bounced around, still could not see why they were seconds. Will hang them this weekend & do more testing.
HCFU thank you for all the work & time doing this deal. Will give field report later.
Ken.
:)good for you :cool:neo
schmalts
07-23-2008, 12:41
Neo, Please post a picture to show what you mean by the webbing and ring mod. I am a little unsure what you mean and it is something I may want to do with mine if I like it. I assume "webbing" means the ropes used to hand the main hammock? and the ring as an adjustment device??
Neo if you would like, I will fix the netting loops for you. Just describe what you would like and sew it for you and fix the bugnetting. I will also pay for shipping both ways no problem. I will also buy it from you for what you paid if you like. I feel kind of bad b/c I egged you on a little last night when you were clearly upset.
I really hope this doesn't sour people from group buys and the great work that HC4U put into this. I really appreciate getting a good deal with doing no more than hitting some keys on my keyboard.
jeffjenn
07-23-2008, 13:23
I really hope this doesn't sour people from group buys and the great work that HC4U put into this. I really appreciate getting a good deal with doing no more than hitting some key on my keyboard.
I agree, I wasn't part of this buy but HC really does a great job for all of us.
Neo, I hope the blood pressure is returning to normal now, sorry to hear of the problems with your hammock. GOOOSFRABBA... BREATHE... GOOOSFRABBA... :D
Gailainne
07-23-2008, 14:13
I have a DD Travel hammock, I believe it to be a second generation model, I did have issues with the weight of the tarp provided, 1.2 kg and the strapping which stretched badly, both of which I believe have been fixed on the 3rd generation model.
I bought a HH and tried it a few times, but I've gone back to the DD, I much prefer the top entry, I'm 5' 10" ish and 11.5 st. eh 160 lbs and have had no problems with the length of the DD, nor with the mesh in my face the loops are designed so that a stripped branch can be threaded thru and attached to your ridge line, (use bungee I ripped the netting using static line once) keeping it well away from you.
NB have had no problems with the netting loops, although mine was'nt a second. IOW you get what you pay for.
The double skin also works, either as a place for a pad or as a sock, dont know about condensation problems, I'll have to try it in cold weather later this year.
I'm not sure what Neo's issues are, its a hammock and it does what it says on the tin, that might not translate but Brits will get it ;) in other words it performs as the manufacturer intended and (this customer at least) expected.
Nick has a good rep in the UK for taking on board suggestions to improve his product. As indicated by the many group buys on Bushcraftuk and Song of the paddle to name a couple of forums.
To be frank your buying a hammock at less than half the price of what your used to and your still bitching ! the expression here is "FFS get a grip".
Stephen
Neo, Please post a picture to show what you mean by the webbing and ring mod. I am a little unsure what you mean and it is something I may want to do with mine if I like it. I assume "webbing" means the ropes used to hand the main hammock? and the ring as an adjustment device??
here ya go dude:cool:neo
http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=3770&c=2
i am going to get the loops replaced and give the hammock to my girl friend:cool:neo
schmalts
07-23-2008, 20:42
Neo, so you use the double rings to tighten as you would a cycle helmet buckle??
Neo, so you use the double rings to tighten as you would a cycle helmet buckle??
yes.there are threads and many pics of the ring buckle set up.i have the cinch buckle set up on one hammock.i cant say enough good things about the ring buckle set up.its awesome,it works well on any hammock.:cool:neo
first time I have read this thread. I find it odd that people would spend that much on a hammock that is a 2nd!!!!
first time I have read this thread. I find it odd that people would spend that much on a hammock that is a 2nd!!!!
First and second hammock for a hundred dollar bill, I can't see your point.
First and second hammock for a hundred dollar bill, I can't see your point.
He's implying that people paid so much money, in his opinion, on what was advertised as manufacturers 2nds and surprised that people would spend this kind of money on a product knowing there'd possibly be issues.
Took mine to the local awning shop to reinforce all of the suspect sewing. Best 5 bucks I ever spent.
alienjeff650
12-21-2009, 03:57
Neo brought shares in claytor OMG:lol:
Diamond Dave
12-21-2009, 06:06
I have had a lot of dealings with Nick at DD Hammocks and have always found him more than fair in his assistance to help resolve a problem........
oldgringo
12-21-2009, 07:24
How embarrassing...:blush::mad::(
ricegravy
12-21-2009, 10:18
Wow!
I just took the time to read this whole thread for the first time.
It was like watching a trashy episode of Jerry Springer.
Thank you neo for the entertainment this morining.
-Ricegravy!
oldgringo
12-21-2009, 10:21
"a trashy episode of Jerry Springer."
The very soul of redundancy.:D
Cannibal
12-22-2009, 17:17
Ah man,
I almost bit on this thread before I realized how old it is. For the record, I like my DDs; especially the new Frontline model.
Repelsteel
01-27-2010, 18:26
I have a Frontline myself also, because I am a bit of a "wet sleeper".
The Travel is nice, but if I want to use it as a bivy, I can use the tarp under me for water protection.
Regarding size, I am the 6'5" at 120kg and I have no problems sleeping in it.
Regards,
Repelsteel
ill take it. im new to hammock camping and if you dont want it send it my way.
SuperTramp
02-20-2010, 21:33
ah man-i got sucked into this post again-like a car wreck where you can't look away-i just keep reading
Kittchen Sink
08-26-2010, 21:58
Well now, that was all quite scary reading for me i must say.
I`m new hear and i have never ever had or owned a hammock in my entire 30 years of backpacking.
In fact, i know precious little about hammocking, i would say i know just enough to be dangerous.
So i fully recognise that my following comments may well be construed as from a slightly skewed or somewhat irrelevent perspective, i.e "what do you know - shut up", and maybe that is true. I am however, fully capable of (just as the next person is), deciding whether or not a piece of equipment is structurally sound or not, and capable of giving me a good nights sleep.
That said, i read all the postings here and became very, very alarmed and concerned at the possibility that my ignorance had led me to purchase
a piece of kit that was completely substandard, particularly because i did not purchase my hammock directly from DD Hammocks simply because i found it
much cheaper on another website.
I have had my DD 2010 Travel Hammock all of a fortnight and it has not been out of the bag until now. (2.30am that is and it`s 3.35am now as i write this).
After reading what was said about DD Hammocks i immediately cleared the living room floor and opened it all out.
I meticulously went over every single stitch line and the zippers. i then put it under tension by tying it from one window handle to another and placing it under as much tension as i dared. i then proceeded to stretch the mosquito netting out from light fittings and then inspected it all thoughrily.
With a pair of pliers, i tugged every loop on the netting quite abruptly (but not viciously - i dont want to damage it you understand), and everything if absolutely fine. All the stitching is immaculate and theres no frays or run-offs or anywhere.
Still very much alarmed at what i just read, i decided to haul it into the back garden and strap in to the fence so that i may actually climb in a hammock for the first time ever. Maybe not a wise thing to do when your a complete noob like me, its pitch dark, and theres the thought of you falling through it because you`ve been told its defective. So, me being me, i tied it up as safe as i could possibly think of (dont ask me what kind of knot - i havent got a clue, but they took some getting out i can tell you. I then very gingerly sat on it (half expecting the fence to collapse).
The fence stayed put, so i gently bounced up and down on it and that was ok (i only said bounced because everyone will understand that, but really i "sossed" up and down on it. I apologise if anyone outside the UK does not understand that word but i cannot think of an adequate substitute for it, sorry). I then lay on it and stretched out. Im 5` 7" and around 13 stone give or take a couple of pounds either way, and, well i loved it frankly.
Like i said at the beginning, i may be construed as bias as this is my very first ever hammock experience (not the way i had planned it nor wanted it i must say), but nevertheless, i found it very comfortable and more than spacious for my needs. I usually have difficulty sleeping in any case as i have had several major heart operations since age 25, the most recent being last autumn. As a result, your body takes many many months to put itelf right from aches and pains and muscle spasms etc from being opened up.
(im sure anyone who has had this knows precisely what i am on about here). and although very cold (i wasnt planning on any of this you understand, i was scared into it), i was perfectly happy and content rocking away side to side there. (Im gonna really like hammocking people!!).
i was very, very comfortable. in fact and found my DD hammock to have more than enough space for my height. Anyway, getting rather chilly (its a bit cold tonight here), i took it back in the house and once again inspected all
the stress points very carefully.
Again, this is only my opinion for what its worth, i found nothing untoward and everything in perfect condition. (though i agree that the tree straps could be better quality and have a rain drip off fitted as standard).
I just wish to say that personally, i find my DD Hammock in perfect structural condition and very very comfortable and well worth the money and extremely well made.
I shall soon be purchasing a bigger tarp than the one i have now and i shall be more than happy to be buying it from DD Hammocks.
I will, if i feel the situation warrants it, let you know if i find their customer service to be wanting in any way.
But i hope its not. In fact, from what i have seen so far, i suspect i will have no reason at all to engage them in any form of dialogue as i find their product to be excellent.
All in all, i am overjoyed with my DD Hammock and i am more than happy to recommed them and their products to anyone, as i feel i have recieved excellent value for money.
Its now 4am, im very tired, very cold but content, and so im off to my real bed now.
Kind Regards to all
Ian
(ps, excuse any and all spelling mistakes, i really am very tired here)
goodnight all
Just finished my first read of this thread and I must say I'm sure glad I bought a DD Frontline BEFORE I read it.
Couldn't be more pleased with my purchase. Design I love, great quality, and a very competitive price all go toward making it my #1 hammock.
After re-reading several comments I realized this was a member complaining because a factory second had a few flaws. That's why it was sold as a second, it wasn't perfect. :confused::confused::confused:
My comment is that people should think long & hard before making a negative post.
It's a shame, but one negative comment or opinion seems to negate a hundred positive comments or opinions in our society. We read one post saying it's junk and we all to often let that one comment stick in our mind and overrule all the people who are 100% satisfied with the product.
I just want to say if you're new to hammocking and considering a DD, read the thread carefully. ;)
It was a factory second, and represented as such when sold. A few flaws should be expected when you buy a factory second, and to condemn the company's quality and integrity is very unfair.
DD is a great company, and sells a very high quality product IMHO.
avalonmorn
08-28-2010, 12:36
Now, I want one!
I used a 2010 DD Travel hammock on my bicycle tour, and I absolutely loved it :)
Never had any problems with it. It's great that you can put it up super taut, as opposed to Henessy and consorts that require sag to keep the mosquito net up and therefore a diagonal position while sleeping.
I used a 2010 DD Travel hammock on my bicycle tour, and I absolutely loved it :)
Never had any problems with it. It's great that you can put it up super taut, as opposed to Henessy and consorts that require sag to keep the mosquito net up and therefore a diagonal position while sleeping.
I've found mine comfortable with at both ends of the spectrum. Either hang very taut, or extreme sag and a diagonal lay. Either works for me as far as comfort with my bad back. I like taut in cooler weather to cut air circulation (wrapped up like a banana), or a lot of sag and a diagonal lay in hot weather to let more air circulate.
Hanging it in the middle of those extremes can be uncomfortable, though. Seems like the fabric takes on a "W" profile with just a little sag, and the high point is not good to lay on. :rolleyes:
Anorak84
10-27-2010, 13:30
I'm pretty tall 1m92cm (6'04" ) , 95kg and the DD-travel is long enough for me !
That doesn't mean I'm laying in it like a banana. (see pic: flat.jpg)
I have 40cm left from my feet till end of the hammock and about 25 cm left from my head till the other end of the hammock if I'm laying flat. The hammock is wide enough and will create also a kind of footbox (see pic: footend.jpg)
But most of the times my knees are more bend and are using the width of the hammock, and my head is in the end of the hammock. So I'm able for comfortably sleeping on my left shoulder..
Hammock was not that taut...32deg angle at footend and 35deg angle at head-end.
I also have an HH-exped A-sym.. HH website specs a height limit at 6' but I also sleep very well in it !! Don't see a reason to buy an explorer.
I have a 2010 DD Travel Hammock and DD XL Tarp that I use. DD's (Nick's) Customer service has been great for all of the purchases I have made from them.
I am 5'10" 250+ Lbs. and had no issues with this hammock on the 2010 Fall AZ Hang.
thread:
http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23854
i:) do like my new front line dd hammock and my dd tarps they rock:cool:neo
bristolview
05-28-2011, 16:32
Neo - since you have both the DD Frontline and the Claytor, can you give some comparison points? They both look very similar, but the devil is in the details that we can't see in photos on the web. Pricing is similar too, so I'm having trouble deciding which to get.
DemostiX
05-28-2011, 20:26
So new to this -- since the first of the year -- I just checked out a DVD, "Pierrepoint, The Last HangMan."
When I saw a new post on this thread, I started reading from the beginning, as I've tried to get a DD without sponsoring the Royal Mail. I didn't notice that first posts were almost three years old.
I want here only to affirm values others, also late to the thread, have expressed earlier.
Repeated, vituperative, slams on product and people last longer than can possibly have been deserved or fair. Elsewhere in the world, most of those convicted of armed robbery serve shorter sentences than the slams linger on a company that has been specing and sourcing hammocks for a long time, and on one of that company's reputable agents
To anyone who says -- "Yes, but you can read the whole record, now out to 10 pages of postings -- I say "That was splendid and useless hindsight to anybody reading the thread when it started." Hell, I only learned several posts in that the complaint was about one factory second. But, even there, I have had no experience in lots of years of buying a "factory second" in which a reputable manufacturer had released product which should have been literally trashed, destroyed, rather than be released.
I'll now go back to reading some intermediate pages in this resurrected thread; and I'll post elsewhere some questions about why, considering low marginal costs, anybody makes 8-9 foot hammocks, and why anybody making a serious hammock includes nylon rope for suspension lines, ( if those questions are not answered.) (There's a parallel in the last to current bicycle design, where near nobody dares make bottom-bracket support areas for the axle which are less than maximally "stiff." As though doing that has been impossible for 100 years. Smelly orthodoxies.