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Peter_pan
12-03-2008, 10:05
Nesting Tricks From An Old Coot


Comfort in a Hammock

Site Selection
Remember the first rule in real estate? It is location, location, location. First, pick two trees without obstructing branches and without an undergrowth problem. But consider the optimum distance. If two trees 13 feet apart allow you to hang the hammock and your tarp with out hindrance pick them over two equally appealing trees 18 feet apart. Why? The closest possible trees will use less hammock rope or strap, which reduces stretch and sag. What about weather concerns? In winter this Old Coot picks trees with a north-south axis and protects the west side with the tarp low. A high tarp east side often gives a super view of the hillside below and the sunrise. Hot sticky summer night? Get high on a ridge and pick trees with an east-west axis. Hang the head to the west. You will get cool breezes on the head and back and a super sunrise, good Lord willing. Just miserably hot and you need a good night sleep and not a sunrise view and the ridge is just too far; pick two east-west trees on the windward side as far up as you are willing to hike. The rising prevailing westerlies will be caught by a well hung tarp and be deflected over you. Expect wind or a storm? Pick trees on the lee side of the ridge, or a boulder, or a shelter.

Hammock Hanging Techniques

Center the hammock between the trees. If the ropes on either end are different lengths they will stretch at different rates. Centering eliminates guessing the stretch and having to compensate by guessing how much higher to hang the long rope end to achieve the proper lay. When you have to hang un-centered (to avoid a branch or bush), Leave No Trace - do not break off the problem, do elevate the long end. How much is trial and error. Your goal is a level bed. If you have trouble sliding toward the foot end try hanging the head end one inch lower on an otherwise optimal hang. You will not slide to the head with this minimal adjustment. The sliding to the foot end, often on what you believed to be a level hang, is because the body shape is essentially a long tapering triangle to the feet; and the reverse is a more stable, blunt, broad triangle, head to the shoulders.

Plan your head end location before you hang the hammock. If you use snake skins or python skins mark the end of the head rope. Some use duct tape, but eventually you will get a sticky residue on things with this approach (not desirable). Some tie an extra knot in the head end but this can get in the way or create work tying and untying (possibly problematic). Some mark the end with nail polish; but alas, it will chip off, ask any woman. Alternatively an 8” length of colorful thread sewn with two hitches in the end of the rope works, weighs nothing, won’t chip off, and never gets sticky. Dental floss also works, wears even better, and allows you to floss before bed.

Feather Your Nest

If you make more “Midnight Runs” in the woods than at home you invariably have organ discomfort. The two primary causes are uncomfortable ground and cold. The hammock solves the former problem. The under quilt solves the latter problem. Old coots know that soft plucked down makes the nest warm and cozy. They don’t try to make sticks work and the smart hammock hanger won’t try to make pads work. Get a down under quilt. Nothing beats the weight to warmth ratio and the compressibility of a down under quilt. The comfort of sleep with out squirming to get on and stay on a pad is beyond compare. Moreover, you can feel the warmth sooner and with more even spread than on a pad. You won’t wake up in a pool of sweat with a breathable under quilt like you will when using a non-breathable pad. And for all who are still using a sleeping bag, and who never noticed the sweat issue, know that the next day your bag weighs 16-32 oz more from the non-sensible sweat of the previous night.

Installing an Under Quilt

The wise coot doesn’t just scatter down around the nest any where. They place it, and move it if necessary, to maximize their comfort. Here are some nesting tricks that this old coot has learned … some the hard way.

First, hang the under quilt gently under the hammock using a shock cord and mini-carabiner suspension system. The non-fixed suspension cords allow you to adjust the hang to suit you. Hang it as gently as possible. Slide the suspension cords in or out along the hammock end cords until the quilt hangs loosely beneath the hammock. Adjustments are best made in half inch increments one end at a time. Realize the hammock bottom material will stretch downward under your weight. Learn at home with someone else in the hammock while you adjust and check. Put your hand between the hammock and the under quilt. Careful, don’t insult your partner. Under quilts normally have side loops. The side loops are a two step ladder for a reason. When you guy the hammock with a-sym corners out to a peg (normal?) in the ground - use the closest loop. If you guy high to a tarp or branch you may need to use the second loop. The objective is to achieve a gentle suspension of the under quilt in the side to side direction as well. If the quilt is pulled taut in any direction it will reduce the loft. Minor down compression (up to 50%) does not reduce warmth in down insulated gear according to studies conducted by the Department of Defense Cold Weather Laboratory in Natick, Massachusetts. As to the relative thinness of any under quilt, take comfort and realize that gravity works for you to attain and maintain full loft on exterior bottom insulation on a hammock.

Cold Weather Tricks

Expecting weather below 40 degrees? Fold the under quilt in half long ways (you can do this while the quilt is hung on the hammock if the sides are not guyed out) and shake the down into the middle area of the quilt. It is easy to get 25-35 percent more down in the middle and still have insulation on the sides. The outer edges of the quilt generally are above you and do not much matter. Realize that the outer edges are still contributing two layers of nylon and a small dead air space to the overall micro-climate of the nested hammock. Colder still? Try putting extra clothing, dry rain suit, emergency blanket or even dry leaves between the under quilt and the hammock. Also if you have not given up the pad, or you carry a sit pad, you can use it as well. But put it beneath you in the hammock. Placing it between the under quilt and the hammock will cause the under quilt to fall away from the hammock creating air gaps and cold spots.

If you are using a Hennessy style hammock, another cool weather trick is to make the area you are heating smaller. This is easily done by not tying out the asymmetric side corners of the Hennessy hammock. The nested hammock will then snug up around your sides as well. Yes, the bug net will be floppy – but who cares, it’s too cold for the bugs anyway.

Cold air leaking air through the entrance slit should not be a problem. But, if it concerns you, and it is so cold you want every trick in the book working for you, close the under quilts slit, if it has one, on itself and not the hammock slit. You will have to enter and exit by moving the quilt to the side. This is easily done and the shock cord suspension system will return it in place automatically.

One last trick you all know. Make sure you hang your shelter on arrival, including the under quilt, if you are not wearing it. This will give it time to fluff out before you get in and start the body furnace. Wearing the under quilt also helps with the fluffing. I’m sure that you have noticed your quilt has more loft and more consistency of loft in the morning, after a night of your body heat. Realize that there is also some increase in the moisture caused by non-sensible sweat that is still evaporating from the breathable under quilt. Yep…you got it. Obviously, pack the hammock last and let this moisture evaporate. Your pack will be lighter and your bed warmer.

One final note on warmth, vapor barriers work with any sleep system, including under quilts. Adding a mylar space blanket between the under quilt and hammock will significantly increase warmth. Vapor barriers are tricky in their application and have their own moisture issues. Should you desire to pursue the vapor barrier approach you should educate yourself on the issues of vapor barriers prior to, testing, and eventual using a vapor barrier.

Warm Weather Tricks

Let’s talk warm weather and bugs. This old coot uses his under quilt all year. There are many reasons to do so. One never knows when the temperature will drop in the middle of the night. And remedying the problem is a pain at 3 AM if your under quilt is not already attached. Cold awakenings are unnecessary. But is it too warm? Not if you pick the right site and use these tricks.

First, recall the first paragraphs about sites and trees. There are often breezes. You must select your site to take advantage of them.

Still warm? Open the “windows”. Those cinch cord on the end of most under quilts are there for several reasons. In summer they are there to be opened, a little, a lot, or all the way. Opening the head window will allow heat from the head and shoulders to escape and/or be cooled and still keep the vital organs warm. This technique still provides a wind screen of sorts that is sufficient for normal temperature drops. If the temperature drops severely, close the window.

But my feet sweat. So do mine. The foot window opens too.

Ever been bitten by a mosquito through the hammock bottom? Many have. Some skeeters are reportedly big and mean as woodpeckers. Just ask around. Some have gone so far as to hang false bottoms of no-see-um netting below their hammocks. Summer users of under quilts will not have this problem. The longest reported skeeter needle is only one inch. They can’t get at the wise coot using an under quilt.

Yea but … The slit model under quilts don’t let the Velcro on my Hennessy hammock close and there is an open slit above it. The skeeters can get in this way. This potential problem is real but not necessary. The Hennessy slit is designed to close by weight alone. The original versions didn’t have Velcro on the entrance slit. The Adventure Racer still does not have Velcro. The Velcro is there to keep the hammock sealed while no one is in the hammock. If the two sides of the opening slit do not close flush there may be some under quilt between them. Simply push the hindrance outside the slit and it will close fully.

Oh, you want to keep the skeeters out before you get inside. Put your top quilt and clothing bag inside. They have to be in your camp some where. They might as well be working for you as laying around on the ground or in your pack, otherwise in the way. They are normally enough weight to hold the slit shut.

Hot summer nights using an under quilt can often be spent without any (or with minimal) top cover because of the micro-climate created by bottom insulation, side insulation and rising body heat - quite pleasant.

Enjoy your hanging…. You may as well be comfortable.

Pan
The Old Coot

Cannibal
12-03-2008, 10:19
Nice write-up Pan. Great info about wind concerns.

Shug
12-05-2008, 08:40
Hey Old Coot,
Real nice article!
I got my eye on a Mt. Washington down the trail......
Shug

Sweetspot
02-20-2012, 21:31
After reading this on jacksrbetter.com I was finally able to get my Mt. Washington 3 just perfect and, along with the other topics of wisdom, haven't had a cold night the entire winter.

Good stuff Pan!!! Thanks!

TomsBackwoods
02-20-2012, 21:50
Very nice! Thank you!

flight_chick
02-21-2012, 15:56
Great info! Glad it popped back up. I actually have printed this one to have for future reference. Thanks!

IT_Mike
02-29-2012, 07:52
Nice article Pan.

One question, you've stated to pick two trees "without an undergrowth problem". Why?

I generally look for locations with undergrowth to avoid using stakes.

Thanks,
Mike

DivaB
02-29-2012, 08:21
Great write up, thank you :thumbup:

Jazilla
02-29-2012, 10:40
Nice article Pan.

One question, you've stated to pick two trees "without an undergrowth problem". Why?

I generally look for locations with undergrowth to avoid using stakes.

Thanks,
Mike

Cause if it has an undergrowth problem then you are either trampling on the flora or its catching and possibly scratching or tearing your hammock, tarp or underquilt.

Loneoak
02-29-2012, 11:02
Great advise and read, just wanted to say thank you

IT_Mike
02-29-2012, 11:18
Cause if it has an undergrowth problem then you are either trampling on the flora or its catching and possibly scratching or tearing your hammock, tarp or underquilt.

I guess we need to understand what we mean by 'problem'. Most of the areas I'm in don't have campsites and there's undergrowth around every tree.

I hang high enough to be above it, and avoid trampling as much as possible. If you're not on a trail, you're always going to 'trample' to a certain extent.

Mike

J.Andersons
02-29-2012, 13:06
Nice article, enjoyed reading it!

Jack
03-07-2012, 20:12
Great tips. Question: I realize "warmth" is pretty subjective but my wife and I are using our new 20 degree Incubator underquilts from Hammockgear but are still getting a little cold even in 32 to 40 degree weather. Should we have bought the zero degree Incubators?

Chert
03-08-2012, 17:54
Printed and stuck into my woods journal, thanks for taking the time to do the write up and thanks for the bump to bring this to my attention.

Bama Man
03-16-2012, 23:30
Thanks for the very nice write-up. Definately good info for a noob like me. :)

jons4real
03-16-2012, 23:58
Really enjoyed that, thanks.

Black Wolf
03-17-2012, 09:30
Lot's of food for thought ..

lanack
04-02-2012, 18:35
Some of the major concerns of the newer guys coming into this hobby, if you would oblige, is how they are not able to position their hammock in an equal manner and I must submit that they very well have to learn how to properly hang it first without giving any form of bias to either side.

It will also be beneficial if you are able to nest your hammock so it would be a far better experience than going with something bare and plain.

Acer
04-02-2012, 19:03
I think we need to name this write up.."the Holy Grail of hammock hanging". Very nice write up and great words of wisdom. I printed it out. Thanks Pan,

Peter_pan
04-03-2012, 10:35
I think we need to name this write up.."the Holy Grail of hammock hanging". Very nice write up and great words of wisdom. I printed it out. Thanks Pan,

Thanks for the compliment Acer...But I don't mind being The Old Coot... ;)

Pan

survive7713
04-28-2012, 07:26
Great advice this will make hanging easier for all!!:shades::shades:

SkyPainter
05-02-2012, 10:23
Great Write-up! need to have that one on a sticky, methinks!

Thanks!

~ Sky

Elessar
07-09-2012, 09:28
This is the kind of stuff that I will never have time to figure out on my own and I really appreciate finding this gem! Excellent information for everyone, including noobs like me. Thanx

720fly
07-20-2012, 19:23
What a good read, many things learned thanks

barnes3126
07-20-2012, 20:03
Thanks, great article

Doodad
07-20-2012, 20:13
From a recent convert, another 'thank you" for a very helpful article. It's amazing how much valuable information you guys share.

crackrbilly
07-21-2012, 01:10
outstanding,very nice read. thanks so much for sharing your yrs with us

fly-chucker
07-23-2012, 13:21
thanks for the tips, being a newb, everything helps :)

grayghoste78
08-01-2012, 07:58
Very good read. Have been looking at UQs trying to figure out which one I want to get.

Resqsarge03
08-01-2012, 09:03
I am grateful I saw this thread in the new posts section. I had not yet considered the importance of prevailing winds and compass direction.

Peter_pan
08-02-2012, 22:00
I am grateful I saw this thread in the new posts section. I had not yet considered the importance of prevailing winds and compass direction.

I stopped wearing a watch 15 years ago.... Except in the wood and then with a small compass on the strap...Makes it super easy to navigate... and super easy to pick tres with a preferred wind angle.

Pan

Keowee
03-14-2013, 09:01
Excellent reference article, you have saved many souls on this forum from many uncomfortable nights of trying to figure out what's going on and "tuning in" their set ups... Well written and humorous. This one is in my Evernote cache of great references. Thank you!

laziboie
03-30-2013, 23:27
Great tips! Thanks!

Scout620
04-13-2013, 03:15
Great advice! Thanks

outdoorsguy
04-13-2013, 05:29
I always have tried to center between the 2 trees, but never considered strap stretch as one of the reasons of such. Makes A LOT of sense, thank you.

High hanger 13
04-30-2013, 16:19
Thank you for that I found it verry intresting

rcam1977
05-02-2013, 00:25
thanks for the info, as a new guy to this hammock world you covered alot of topics i would never of thought of, very heplful

jacob8806
05-19-2013, 21:32
Thanks so much, this will probably save me countless trials and errors. Now just need some practice

hecta_g
05-20-2013, 07:11
You can always learn something from an Old Coot, like a fountain of knowledge. Thanks for sharing!

FrActOwL
09-11-2013, 21:00
From an "Old Coot" to another - this article makes great sense. Experience can be considered logic.

-LOAF

SkyPainter
09-11-2013, 22:27
===> Nicely done, Pan! Great write-up, encompassing some good issues!

I recommend a 'sticky' for this one'

~ SkyPainter

Karl_saggin
10-13-2013, 19:58
Thanks this helped me a lot!

Heisenberg
10-21-2013, 23:36
Yes this is very helpful for me the noob! Thanks for writing this up! :thumbup:
+1 on the sticky

marmesto
10-25-2013, 17:35
Cause if it has an undergrowth problem then you are either trampling on the flora or its catching and possibly scratching or tearing your hammock, tarp or underquilt.
Keep away from poison ivy!

OCDave
11-15-2013, 19:12
This article by the esteemed Peter pan was what motivated me to to stop lurking and become a HF member. As the nights have grown longer and the temps dip lower, it is worth a re-read.

Thanks again for the wisdom Peter pan.

ambrosia
11-21-2013, 22:38
thank you for the great advise. thank you thank you!

mgreg.scout
11-22-2013, 22:00
Thanks for touching the article and bringing it to the top. It is good advice though sometimes hard to implement at an established campsite.

chulabooner
02-07-2014, 10:16
Thank you for the advice!

steveflinn
02-07-2014, 21:03
Great tips. Question: I realize "warmth" is pretty subjective but my wife and I are using our new 20 degree Incubator underquilts from Hammockgear but are still getting a little cold even in 32 to 40 degree weather. Should we have bought the zero degree Incubators?

Naaah. Mine got me down to 10F without trying hard. Just use the instructions above to get the UQ properly sealed - gently but not loosely.

If you suspect the wind is robbing warmth, then maybe reposition with different trees or by hanging the tarp to block it. I like a doored tarp year round - the Wilderness Logics Old Man Winter is a marvel.

bootstick
02-16-2014, 18:54
Nicely written, I definitly need more tips with dealing with cold air

Clockw3rk
02-27-2014, 13:35
Thank you for the sage wisdom.

LazyMan
07-19-2014, 17:55
Great write up.

Megss
07-29-2014, 11:50
Very useful Thanks!

Typicalsloan
07-29-2014, 22:05
Great info. Thanks!

jtm109
08-05-2014, 22:28
I have so much to learn. Thanks

IndyFace
08-07-2014, 14:57
good info. thanks

Mike04345
10-18-2014, 11:24
Hi as a Newbie this is a wealth on information. Thank You. :)





Nesting Tricks From An Old Coot


Comfort in a Hammock

Site Selection
Remember the first rule in real estate? It is location, location, location. First, pick two trees without obstructing branches and without an undergrowth problem. But consider the optimum distance. If two trees 13 feet apart allow you to hang the hammock and your tarp with out hindrance pick them over two equally appealing trees 18 feet apart. Why? The closest possible trees will use less hammock rope or strap, which reduces stretch and sag. What about weather concerns? In winter this Old Coot picks trees with a north-south axis and protects the west side with the tarp low. A high tarp east side often gives a super view of the hillside below and the sunrise. Hot sticky summer night? Get high on a ridge and pick trees with an east-west axis. Hang the head to the west. You will get cool breezes on the head and back and a super sunrise, good Lord willing. Just miserably hot and you need a good night sleep and not a sunrise view and the ridge is just too far; pick two east-west trees on the windward side as far up as you are willing to hike. The rising prevailing westerlies will be caught by a well hung tarp and be deflected over you. Expect wind or a storm? Pick trees on the lee side of the ridge, or a boulder, or a shelter.

Hammock Hanging Techniques

Center the hammock between the trees. If the ropes on either end are different lengths they will stretch at different rates. Centering eliminates guessing the stretch and having to compensate by guessing how much higher to hang the long rope end to achieve the proper lay. When you have to hang un-centered (to avoid a branch or bush), Leave No Trace - do not break off the problem, do elevate the long end. How much is trial and error. Your goal is a level bed. If you have trouble sliding toward the foot end try hanging the head end one inch lower on an otherwise optimal hang. You will not slide to the head with this minimal adjustment. The sliding to the foot end, often on what you believed to be a level hang, is because the body shape is essentially a long tapering triangle to the feet; and the reverse is a more stable, blunt, broad triangle, head to the shoulders.

Plan your head end location before you hang the hammock. If you use snake skins or python skins mark the end of the head rope. Some use duct tape, but eventually you will get a sticky residue on things with this approach (not desirable). Some tie an extra knot in the head end but this can get in the way or create work tying and untying (possibly problematic). Some mark the end with nail polish; but alas, it will chip off, ask any woman. Alternatively an 8” length of colorful thread sewn with two hitches in the end of the rope works, weighs nothing, won’t chip off, and never gets sticky. Dental floss also works, wears even better, and allows you to floss before bed.

Feather Your Nest

If you make more “Midnight Runs” in the woods than at home you invariably have organ discomfort. The two primary causes are uncomfortable ground and cold. The hammock solves the former problem. The under quilt solves the latter problem. Old coots know that soft plucked down makes the nest warm and cozy. They don’t try to make sticks work and the smart hammock hanger won’t try to make pads work. Get a down under quilt. Nothing beats the weight to warmth ratio and the compressibility of a down under quilt. The comfort of sleep with out squirming to get on and stay on a pad is beyond compare. Moreover, you can feel the warmth sooner and with more even spread than on a pad. You won’t wake up in a pool of sweat with a breathable under quilt like you will when using a non-breathable pad. And for all who are still using a sleeping bag, and who never noticed the sweat issue, know that the next day your bag weighs 16-32 oz more from the non-sensible sweat of the previous night.

Installing an Under Quilt

The wise coot doesn’t just scatter down around the nest any where. They place it, and move it if necessary, to maximize their comfort. Here are some nesting tricks that this old coot has learned … some the hard way.

First, hang the under quilt gently under the hammock using a shock cord and mini-carabiner suspension system. The non-fixed suspension cords allow you to adjust the hang to suit you. Hang it as gently as possible. Slide the suspension cords in or out along the hammock end cords until the quilt hangs loosely beneath the hammock. Adjustments are best made in half inch increments one end at a time. Realize the hammock bottom material will stretch downward under your weight. Learn at home with someone else in the hammock while you adjust and check. Put your hand between the hammock and the under quilt. Careful, don’t insult your partner. Under quilts normally have side loops. The side loops are a two step ladder for a reason. When you guy the hammock with a-sym corners out to a peg (normal?) in the ground - use the closest loop. If you guy high to a tarp or branch you may need to use the second loop. The objective is to achieve a gentle suspension of the under quilt in the side to side direction as well. If the quilt is pulled taut in any direction it will reduce the loft. Minor down compression (up to 50%) does not reduce warmth in down insulated gear according to studies conducted by the Department of Defense Cold Weather Laboratory in Natick, Massachusetts. As to the relative thinness of any under quilt, take comfort and realize that gravity works for you to attain and maintain full loft on exterior bottom insulation on a hammock.

Cold Weather Tricks

Expecting weather below 40 degrees? Fold the under quilt in half long ways (you can do this while the quilt is hung on the hammock if the sides are not guyed out) and shake the down into the middle area of the quilt. It is easy to get 25-35 percent more down in the middle and still have insulation on the sides. The outer edges of the quilt generally are above you and do not much matter. Realize that the outer edges are still contributing two layers of nylon and a small dead air space to the overall micro-climate of the nested hammock. Colder still? Try putting extra clothing, dry rain suit, emergency blanket or even dry leaves between the under quilt and the hammock. Also if you have not given up the pad, or you carry a sit pad, you can use it as well. But put it beneath you in the hammock. Placing it between the under quilt and the hammock will cause the under quilt to fall away from the hammock creating air gaps and cold spots.

If you are using a Hennessy style hammock, another cool weather trick is to make the area you are heating smaller. This is easily done by not tying out the asymmetric side corners of the Hennessy hammock. The nested hammock will then snug up around your sides as well. Yes, the bug net will be floppy – but who cares, it’s too cold for the bugs anyway.

Cold air leaking air through the entrance slit should not be a problem. But, if it concerns you, and it is so cold you want every trick in the book working for you, close the under quilts slit, if it has one, on itself and not the hammock slit. You will have to enter and exit by moving the quilt to the side. This is easily done and the shock cord suspension system will return it in place automatically.

One last trick you all know. Make sure you hang your shelter on arrival, including the under quilt, if you are not wearing it. This will give it time to fluff out before you get in and start the body furnace. Wearing the under quilt also helps with the fluffing. I’m sure that you have noticed your quilt has more loft and more consistency of loft in the morning, after a night of your body heat. Realize that there is also some increase in the moisture caused by non-sensible sweat that is still evaporating from the breathable under quilt. Yep…you got it. Obviously, pack the hammock last and let this moisture evaporate. Your pack will be lighter and your bed warmer.

One final note on warmth, vapor barriers work with any sleep system, including under quilts. Adding a mylar space blanket between the under quilt and hammock will significantly increase warmth. Vapor barriers are tricky in their application and have their own moisture issues. Should you desire to pursue the vapor barrier approach you should educate yourself on the issues of vapor barriers prior to, testing, and eventual using a vapor barrier.

Warm Weather Tricks

Let’s talk warm weather and bugs. This old coot uses his under quilt all year. There are many reasons to do so. One never knows when the temperature will drop in the middle of the night. And remedying the problem is a pain at 3 AM if your under quilt is not already attached. Cold awakenings are unnecessary. But is it too warm? Not if you pick the right site and use these tricks.

First, recall the first paragraphs about sites and trees. There are often breezes. You must select your site to take advantage of them.

Still warm? Open the “windows”. Those cinch cord on the end of most under quilts are there for several reasons. In summer they are there to be opened, a little, a lot, or all the way. Opening the head window will allow heat from the head and shoulders to escape and/or be cooled and still keep the vital organs warm. This technique still provides a wind screen of sorts that is sufficient for normal temperature drops. If the temperature drops severely, close the window.

But my feet sweat. So do mine. The foot window opens too.

Ever been bitten by a mosquito through the hammock bottom? Many have. Some skeeters are reportedly big and mean as woodpeckers. Just ask around. Some have gone so far as to hang false bottoms of no-see-um netting below their hammocks. Summer users of under quilts will not have this problem. The longest reported skeeter needle is only one inch. They can’t get at the wise coot using an under quilt.

Yea but … The slit model under quilts don’t let the Velcro on my Hennessy hammock close and there is an open slit above it. The skeeters can get in this way. This potential problem is real but not necessary. The Hennessy slit is designed to close by weight alone. The original versions didn’t have Velcro on the entrance slit. The Adventure Racer still does not have Velcro. The Velcro is there to keep the hammock sealed while no one is in the hammock. If the two sides of the opening slit do not close flush there may be some under quilt between them. Simply push the hindrance outside the slit and it will close fully.

Oh, you want to keep the skeeters out before you get inside. Put your top quilt and clothing bag inside. They have to be in your camp some where. They might as well be working for you as laying around on the ground or in your pack, otherwise in the way. They are normally enough weight to hold the slit shut.

Hot summer nights using an under quilt can often be spent without any (or with minimal) top cover because of the micro-climate created by bottom insulation, side insulation and rising body heat - quite pleasant.

Enjoy your hanging…. You may as well be comfortable.

Pan
The Old Coot

Annie Oakley
10-19-2014, 08:24
I found a lot of nice nuggets in this article to put in my bag. Thank you Old Coot. Annie Oakley

hvelowade
11-03-2014, 12:01
Great post, thank you!

-c0de-
05-18-2015, 10:51
great stuff. I am finding all sorts of knowledge as I dig my way through this site!

myingon
08-24-2015, 18:59
Like your article. All part of picking the correct camp site. Well phrased for the inexperienced. A good remind to us "old sourdoughs".

Zeppo
09-07-2015, 22:17
Thank you so much! Lots of great advice. I need advice about how to mark this as a favorite. I tried the FAQs with no luck.
BTW, I made my whoopie slings with a hot color for the head (orange) and a cool color (blue) for the feet, so that I can easily orient my hammock the way I want to. (I'm using snake skins.) The color coding really makes things easy!

Marc55410
09-10-2015, 10:02
Makes Sense, but does not make Cents. $700 seems way too steep. My 20 degree bag $200, and generic air pad $20 do plenty. I am a car camper with AWD. I get as far as the National Forest Roads will take me. I have been comfortable down to 35F and don't see a reason to go camping if it gets colder than that. I sleep / wear merino wool. Ibex clothing is top notch gear www.ibex.com . You can comment that it is expensive gear, but I can do more than sleep in it. Looks good out on the town, and does not leave the funk of polyester dri-fit. Could the old coot be sippin too much whiskey before bed time. Those night sweats could be a sign of cancer (serious). Honestly, I would love your setup, but it is budget prohibitive. Not every camper has got discretionary funds like the OP.

Peter_pan
09-10-2015, 14:24
Makes Sense, but does not make Cents. $700 seems way too steep. My 20 degree bag $200, and generic air pad $20 do plenty. I am a car camper with AWD. I get as far as the National Forest Roads will take me. I have been comfortable down to 35F and don't see a reason to go camping if it gets colder than that. I sleep / wear merino wool. Ibex clothing is top notch gear www.ibex.com . You can comment that it is expensive gear, but I can do more than sleep in it. Looks good out on the town, and does not leave the funk of polyester dri-fit. Could the old coot be sippin too much whiskey before bed time. Those night sweats could be a sign of cancer (serious). Honestly, I would love your setup, but it is budget prohibitive. Not every camper has got discretionary funds like the OP.

This post seems to be misplaced from another thread...It has nothing to do with the article about techniques...

Pan

Longrun
04-20-2016, 11:57
Well written article. As a hammock newbie it helped me to understand the use of under quilts year round and site selection - using the winds to my advantage.

Thank you!

NKGMAN
10-02-2016, 14:50
Good information. I winter (hammock) camp and have never (don't own one) used an under quilt. "Never"

Draketake
05-18-2017, 09:19
Peter Pan thank you for taking the time and effort to share this info. Im just beginning this journey and this article helps me a lot.

AyeJay
09-08-2017, 06:45
Old coots know that soft plucked down makes the nest warm and cozy. They don’t try to make sticks work and the smart hammock hanger won’t try to make pads work. Get a down under quilt.

Hello, I'm not sure what you mean by "don't try to make sticks work". "Sticks" as in making a fire out of sticks for warmth? Mm probably not it.

Billy Goat
09-08-2017, 08:33
Hello, I'm not sure what you mean by "don't try to make sticks work". "Sticks" as in making a fire out of sticks for warmth? Mm probably not it.Birds make nests from sticks, but pad and insulate the nest with feathers and down. He is saying not to insulate with things that are stiff and uncomfortable, i.e. pads. They have too much structure and aren't comfortable... no to mention being hard to stay on top of. An underquilt will, without exaggeration, change your hammocking life. Period. The moment I got the ad out of my hammock and strapped on an underquilt I knew things would never be the same again.

GreatBigDave
09-08-2017, 12:13
Hello, I'm not sure what you mean by "don't try to make sticks work". "Sticks" as in making a fire out of sticks for warmth? Mm probably not it.Birds make nests from sticks, but pad and insulate the nest with feathers and down. He is saying not to insulate with things that are stiff and uncomfortable, i.e. pads. They have too much structure and aren't comfortable... no to mention being hard to stay on top of. An underquilt will, without exaggeration, change your hammocking life. Period. The moment I got the ad out of my hammock and strapped on an underquilt I knew things would never be the same again.That, plus coots are birds.

AyeJay
09-08-2017, 16:11
Birds make nests from sticks, but pad and insulate the nest with feathers and down. He is saying not to insulate with things that are stiff and uncomfortable, i.e. pads. They have too much structure and aren't comfortable... no to mention being hard to stay on top of. An underquilt will, without exaggeration, change your hammocking life. Period. The moment I got the ad out of my hammock and strapped on an underquilt I knew things would never be the same again.

Oh yeah when you explained that, I could then see how the sentence worked. My brain has these slow spots sometimes, or a lot of times haha!

LTMillar
09-08-2017, 23:02
Thank you Peter_pan from another newbie.

Would have been smart to have read all of this before my first hammock outdoors weekend! :)

w8btmtim
05-23-2018, 15:11
Thanks , old coot.
Real nice article!

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SJSandy
05-29-2018, 12:55
Bama Man,

My son's mother has recently relocated to Fort Payne. I'm looking at doing some overnight hike/hangs in that area when I bring my son to see his mother. Any recommendations?

WalksIn2Trees
06-22-2018, 08:02
if you're wondering why you haven't gotten any replies, it's because you probably should ask this in a new, standalone topic, rather than ask at the end of an article aimed at first-time hammockers that was posted in 2009 ;) —NINE years ago!!

I only happened to look because I was curious about how relevant it still is (mostly), and I almost didn't look at the comments at all, so your lucky I decided to see how old the last comment on the thread was

justinae
08-06-2020, 13:57
Adding my nooby voice to the "thank you" choir. This was really great. Especially the part about carrying a Mylar blanket. Well done you old coot.