View Full Version : CLOSED: Group Buy: Insultex material
This thread is to check interest on a group buy of the Isultex material.
Discussion Thread Here. (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7500)
Received additional information from i.d.i. on the Insultex material.
I emailed about the availability of the material and received the following reply:
Yes, the price is $2.25 per linear yd You must purchase it by the roll of 325 yd.
Joe
Far too much for me to buy individually.
If others are interested I would be willing to do a group buy of a roll. It would cost the $2.25/yd + shipping (probably postal being the cheapest). I would prorate the shipping cost to me over the 325 yards.
I would suggest waiting until guySmiley has been able to do a better cold weather test (hopefully this weekend or next week).
If his test results indicate that the material is worth investing in, then a group buy could be done.
I would purchase the full roll and cut off yardage for those who would like some and ship. I will have to understand how paypal works and set up a means of payments through paypal.
I would personally like about 15 yards. That will leave about 310 yds.
I would like the purchases to be in 1 yard increments and a minimum of 10 yds ($22.50+postage), that means maybe 30 people who would like some of the Insultex for under quilts and top quilts. If more than 30 people are interested in smaller yardage, a minimum of 5 yds ($11.25 + postage) may be better.
At $2.25/yd, that is almost as good as the WalMart bargain bin. $22.50 for 10 yds of this stuff to work with is cheap for material as I'm sure those who have been purchasing fabrics for hammocks can attest.
I must have emailed the wrong person because I still have not gotten a response. please keep us posted on the cold weather test and the group buy
Rushthezeppelin
03-09-2009, 13:53
325 yards is still alot for even a group buy....even if everyone got 3 yds then we would still need more than 100 people ordering : / Personally I know I wouldn't use more than 6 at the absolute most (enough I think to make a TQ and a UQ).
dblhmmck
03-09-2009, 16:56
Count me in for at least 20-40 yards. That sounds like a great price to me!
Count me in for at least 20-40 yards. That sounds like a great price to me!
Now that is POSITIVE thinking. I like it. :D
sir White Wolf
03-09-2009, 17:08
Ill take 10yds :)
I'll take 40 yds. Let me know if you need a banker for the deal.
I count almost 100 yds already and we've barely started. :D
Now this is a positive bunch of people.
At that price I'll take 20 yards, if the review is good.
I'd do 10 - 20 yards, if this comes to fruition.
canoebie
03-13-2009, 16:09
Ditto on 10-20 yards
warbonnetguy
03-13-2009, 18:35
anybody got any scraps i could check out?
HappyCamper
03-13-2009, 19:27
Tee Dee, what's the width of material. Will help people figure out how much they want to order. Thanks!
psyculman
03-14-2009, 05:07
Count me in for 10 yards please
what the heck is this stuff? is it like polarguard or thinsulate or something for quilt insulation?
headchange4u
03-14-2009, 12:26
what the heck is this stuff? is it like polarguard or thinsulate or something for quilt insulation?
Discussion Thread Here. (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7500)
tight-wad
03-14-2009, 16:53
I'll try 10 yards.
Thanks Tee Dee.
headchange4u
03-15-2009, 10:01
I'll probably buy 10 yards.
I'm in for at least 10 yards,
IF....it is at least half as good as the claims.
That remains to be seen.
Spoke to the CEO just now and got more information on the 325 yard roll.
The roll is approximately 26" x 62" and weighs 50 lbs.
That pegs the width of the material at 62".
So the roll itself is physically of a size that I can handle it and cut the yardage.
At 50 lbs, the weight is low enough that the shipping from i.d.i. to me should not be too high.
325 yards weighs 50 lbs including whatever they have it rolled around in the center, so the stuff isn't very heavy, which is good.
By my calculations now, we have 10 (excluding me) that want a total of 200 yards. Those that gave a range like 10 - 20 yards, I computed at the mid-point, 15 yards.
So, to make this work, we need enough people who want the material for another 120 yards approximately.
Given the results of guySmiley, it seems that there should enough people to make up 100 yards.
As soon as enough sign up for another 100 yards, I'll start an official listing of who and amount and then phone the CEO again and place the order.
One note: when I talked to him today, he was very accommodating and pleasant. He said that he is doing us a favor (not cynically doing us a favor, but helping us DIYs - I have explained to him what I am doing and what people want it for) in selling the one roll since they have no facilities for selling yardage or distributing yardage. They usually only sell to manufacturers doing large volume business.
So as soon as we get the yardage up to 300 yards I will place the order and we can go from there.
I personally plan on several top quilts (I have used the All-In-One as a top quilt comfortably in the 40s for which it works very well) and several under quilts made expressly for my Bridges. I plan on triple layers in all quilts. I figure that 3 layers will give satisfactory results (don't exactly what the results will be yet) and will be better than Climashield since the bulk will be reduced considerably (1/10 the thickness) and the weight will be less than Climashield. Still computing the yardage I personally want, but thinking of about 40 to 50 yards.
I see that guySmiley is getting the same results that I have obtained to date.
warbonnetguy
03-16-2009, 17:13
so the layers that grizz pulled out of the poncho are indeed multiple layers of material? so the poncho is 3-4 layers thick and you're planning on making quilts this same thickness or is one layer of the material several layers thick itself?
Put me down for 25 yards....
jeffjenn
03-17-2009, 11:28
Spoke to the CEO just now and got more information
One note: when I talked to him today, he was very accommodating and pleasant. He said that he is doing us a favor (not cynically doing us a favor, but helping us DIYs - I have explained to him what I am doing and what people want it for) in selling the one roll since they have no facilities for selling yardage or distributing yardage. They usually only sell to manufacturers doing large volume business.
Should this be taken to mean a one time deal, (one roll & no more, get in on this or miss out forever)? Or that full rolls shipped to one location isn't going to be a problem?
Walking Bear
03-21-2009, 22:38
I will take 15 yards of the material.
Should this be taken to mean a one time deal, (one roll & no more, get in on this or miss out forever)? Or that full rolls shipped to one location isn't going to be a problem?
Don't really know. I would assume that they would continue selling single rolls unless it becomes a hassle for them, but I don't know why it would be a hassle. :confused:
I will take 15 yards of the material.
Great, we're getting closer.
The tally to date:
dblhmmck: 20
sir White Wolf: 10
IndyDan: 40
Big D: 20
FishinFinn: 20
canoebie: 20
psyculman: 10
tight-wad: 10
headchange4u: 10
Oh-No: 10
Mrprez: 25
Walking Bear: 15
TeeDee: 40
Total: 250 yds
need 70 yds to complete. If anybody changes their mind, let us know.
warbonnetguy
03-22-2009, 12:29
i'll take 10 yards
I would be interested in 10 or 15 yds.
i would like 20 yards also please:cool:neo
DougTheElder
03-23-2009, 08:38
Put me in for 15 yds, please.
Thanks, DTE
Up mine to round us out to a whole roll....let's light this candle!
warbonnetguy
03-23-2009, 10:31
yeeeeehaaa
How much for under quilt for my HH D-lux from Insultex ? any one want to take on that job or should I do it myself ? Please PM me
Thanks for your time
Looks like this is a go! Let me know about payment details TD.
TiredFeet
03-24-2009, 16:55
sorry - wrong post
Sorry to be late in responding here, just got back home from Philly.
Okay - we made it to the full roll goal (say that fast 3 times :laugh:).
Following is what I have everybody signed up for.
If this is wrong, please post correct yardage.
The tally to date:
dblhmmck: 20
sir White Wolf: 10
IndyDan: 40
Big D: 20
FishinFinn: 20
canoebie: 20
psyculman: 10
tight-wad: 10
headchange4u: 10
Oh-No: 10
Mrprez: 35
Walking Bear: 15
warbonnetguy: 10
ref103: 15
neo: 20
DougThe Elder: 15
TeeDee: 40
Total: 320 yds
Mrprez, I have upped yours from 25 to 35. That brings the total to 320 yds. I kept it 5 yards shy of the official 325 to allow slop in the measurements.
I will telephone i.d.i. gear tomorrow to get more details on my payment to him and what the shipping will be and look at paypal more closely to see what I have to do to receive payments.
Note on paypal for those who have received payments through paypal: any hints on what I need to do, what to be careful of and what to look out for. I have sent payments through paypal, but have never had the need to receive.
As soon as I have details, I will post here. Hopefully tomorrow.
Full roll goal! full roll goal! Full roll goal! That is a tongue twister.
As soon as I have details, I will post here. Hopefully tomorrow.
We just need the PayPal email address on your account and the total amount for the transaction.
Ramblinrev
03-24-2009, 17:15
I have only billed through paypal a couple of times, but if I remember you can send an email payment request to the buyer including the cost, shipping fees and paypal fees. You send it to theiir email address and they just click and respond back to you with the payment. It's pretty simple.
Tee Dee, I realize I'm too late, and you've already alocated the roll - thats what I get for not checking in more frequently, but anyway, if for some reason you end up with some left that you want to sell, let me know.
And nice work guys - I'm impressed by the "power of the group"
Tee Dee, I realize I'm too late, and you've already alocated the roll - thats what I get for not checking in more frequently, but anyway, if for some reason you end up with some left that you want to sell, let me know.
And nice work guys - I'm impressed by the "power of the group"
How much do you want? 5...10 yards? I would sacrifice a little.
Okay just got off the phone with I.d.i. gear. (It's taken so long because I spent the last 1.5 days restoring our computer after some s/w did a really bad thing to it - it happens - needed the computer working because that's where the phone number was).
2 things:
confirmation - I confirmed that the Insultex is 62" wide - I would have come back and taken the consensus if it wasn't.
$/linear yd. The CEO called back and confirmed the price he quoted, $2.25/linear yard, because the price has gone up since then, but he is sticking to the quoted price.
They are right now working on what the shipping to here will be. As soon as I know that I will report back. I asked about UPS thinking that would be the cheapest. He said that it isn't. They have been doing this for quite a while and in their experience UPS isn't the cheapest. As it is he thought $100 shipping off the top of his head, but he has to get with his shipping people on that. I probably shouldn't have written that since it isn't really a firm number. :laugh: At $100 for the 325 yards, that would add only $0.31 per yard.
I'm working on the best shipping method to the people that ordered.
Looked at the USPS. the priority mail small flat rate box is $4.95 anywhere in the continental US. Same for the envelope. The regular flat rate box jumps to $10.35. Parcel post would be $4.55 (up to 1 lb).
If I can fit the Insultex into an envelope (one of those padded ones), first class mail would be the least expensive, $2.87 for 13 oz. When I get the roll I will know a lot better about what size box/envelope will be needed and can work out the exact details of the postage costs.
50 lbs for the 325 roll works out to 1.5 oz per 10 yards. So 40 yards is only approximately 6 oz. At that weight first class is probably the least expensive. Will depend on what size I can fit it into.
If anybody has a strong desire for another shipping method, let me know.
I'll be posting the details as I know them.
I looked into the paypal and I think there's a charge for receiving money, so I'll add that into the final cost as I learn more. I think it's 3%.
jeffjenn
03-27-2009, 12:17
A little Paypal info (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7628) for ya TeeDee.
Thanks TeeDee, I knew it was going to be high. It's not so much the weight of the roll, but the overall size. When my insulation was shipped here from Oregon the cost was about $60. Again, due to the size of the roll.
Whatever you can work out is OK by me. If you need any help with anything, let me know.
headchange4u
03-27-2009, 16:46
I doubt seriously that you could cram much fabric into a 4.95 flate rate box. The dimensions are 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x 1-5/8". You may be able to get 10 yards or so, depending on how thick the material is. The flat rate envelope can not be over 3/4" thick.
Thanks for taking the lead on this. Be sure to take care of yourself. The charges don't seem unreasonable to me.
I doubt seriously that you could cram much fabric into a 4.95 flate rate box. The dimensions are 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x 1-5/8". You may be able to get 10 yards or so, depending on how thick the material is. The flat rate envelope can not be over 3/4" thick.
I have heard that, but have never seen any regulation to support it. This is from the USPS DMM:
1.5 Flat-Rate Envelope and Boxes
Any amount of material may be mailed in a USPS-produced Priority Mail flat-rate box or flat-rate envelope. When sealing a flat-rate box or flat-rate envelope, the container flaps must be able to close within the normal folds. Tape may be applied to the flaps and seams to reinforce the container, provided the design of the container is not enlarged by opening the sides and the container is not reconstructed in any way.
warbonnetguy
03-28-2009, 11:41
first class in your own boxes will be a little less than priority. priority is nice because of the box. you probably won't even save enough on first class to pay for the box.
first class in your own boxes will be a little less than priority. priority is nice because of the box. you probably won't even save enough on first class to pay for the box.
Good point, you can even order boxes on line and they will deliver them to your house for free. Lot's of different sizes too.
Just talked to i.d.i. gear again this morning about the shipping.
They checked out UPS. UPS wants $200 to ship the roll !!!!
They are still checking with trucking companies.
I told them that if the trucking companies want more than $60, I'll drive up and pick it up myself.
According to mapquest, it is 228 miles from my house. That's about 30 gals in my van or about $60 for gas. I checked if it would fit in the car, less gas, but the fit is problematic. Hate to get all the way there and find out it doesn't fit.
I'll call again today and if I need to, I'll drive there one day this week.
How much do you want? 5...10 yards? I would sacrifice a little.
10 yds would be great, 5 yds is cool too - beggars can't be choosers!
10 yds would be great, 5 yds is cool too - beggars can't be choosers!
TD, I will split my order with Greg. 10 for me, 10 for him!
I want to make an UQ, so 10 should be enough for me.
TD, I will split my order with Greg. 10 for me, 10 for him!
I want to make an UQ, so 10 should be enough for me.
Done, here's the revised list:
dblhmmck: 20
sir White Wolf: 10
IndyDan: 40
Big D: 10
FishinFinn: 20
canoebie: 20
psyculman: 10
tight-wad: 10
headchange4u: 10
Oh-No: 10
Mrprez: 35
Walking Bear: 15
warbonnetguy: 10
ref103: 15
neo: 20
DougThe Elder: 15
greggg3: 10
TeeDee: 40
Total: 320 yds
Still in telephone discussions with i.d.i. gear on the pick-up. Seems the CEO is deeply involved and all my discussions have been with him. He's been out so far this week.
TD, I will split my order with Greg. 10 for me, 10 for him!
I want to make an UQ, so 10 should be enough for me.
Thanks Big D!
The more, the merrier! I wouldn't want you to miss out Greggg3.
Just got off the phone to i.d.i. gear.
I'll be driving to Pittsburgh on Monday/Tuesday (not too sure exactly which yet - have to talk to the better half first) and picking up the Insultex.
Current plans are to start cutting the yardage the day after I get back and preparing for shipping. I'll know when I cut the first 40 yards what it will really fit in. Right now I'm thinking the mailing tubes, probably 2"x24".
More details when I get back.
headchange4u
04-03-2009, 12:34
I am offering my 10 yards to anyone who may want it.
I would like to have some of this material to play around with but I shouldn't be spending the money. I will take the amount I committed to if no one else wants it.
headchange4u - I'd be interested in taking your 10 yards.
TeeDee, I live in Pittsburgh - if there is anything you need help with, let me know.
headchange4u
04-03-2009, 14:16
headchange4u - I'd be interested in taking your 10 yards.
If TeeDee has no objections, consider it yours...
Cool - I didn't see anything - is there a final price per yard yet?
headchange4u - I'd be interested in taking your 10 yards.
TeeDee, I live in Pittsburgh - if there is anything you need help with, let me know.
Thanks. I just spent time using mapquest and google street view.
I'll be coming in from the south. Looking at the maps and street view (that is one really terrific app) I figure to be coming up I-70 to I-76 to I-376 to PA-8 across the 62cd St bridge, down the middle on Bridge St. That takes me to Cherry St and about 4 blocks to i.d.i. gear.
According to the maps, that route is the most direct.
Using street view, I already know about what the route across the bridge and to i.d.i. gear looks like from the van windshield. I really like that app. Coming into a strange place can be confusing, but when you know what you will be looking at before hand, it isn't as confusing.
Do you know of the cheapest places to buy gas in that area? I figure to fill up as I leave, fill up as I leave Pittsburgh and again at the same place back here. I could make the 460 mile round trip on a single tank, but my calculations leave me with only about 4 to 5 gallons when I get back.
Was trolling the web today and found a site, iceshanty. From the forum, the i.d.i. gear Arctic Armour suits are popular with the ice fishermen. Last Nov, one retailer was figuring that he would be sold out of the suits before they were even shipped to him. At about $400 for the jacket and bibs, those guys must really like the suits. They are highly recommending them to those who are looking.
Those suits use a triple layer of the Insultex. I figure if those guys can stand around in those suits and stay warm, then a triple layer should be good for an under quilt. Time will tell.
Cool - I didn't see anything - is there a final price per yard yet?
On the phone today, the CEO confirmed the $2.25 per yard from them.
Now I just have to get the details on the gas, boxes, postage and paypal for the final numbers.
paypal charges copied from the paypal site:
free to Receive payments funded by PayPal Balance, PayPal Instant Transfer or PayPal eCheck
To receive payments funded by Credit Card, Debit Card or Buyer Credit is 4.9% + $0.30.
I don't get over that way very often, so I don't know the cheapest place - the few times I've driven through it has seemed that the stations were pretty competitive, so they should all be fairly similar.
I'm driving to Pittsburgh tomorrow to pick-up the Insultex - 4 hrs each way. Had been planning on going today, but other things got in the way.
I've arranged with the local Hancock fabrics store manager to use their machine for measuring fabric Wed. morning. It's motorized and should make measuring the Insultex and cutting the lengths a lot easier. The machine is designed for heavy fabrics like drapery fabric and may not work on the light Insultex. The manager said that maybe a slow speed will work. I'll find out. JoAnne Fabrics and Hancock both have one. I've never seen it used at JoAnne's (their's is usually pilled high with other stuff) and only once at Hancock. If it works, it'll be a really neat way to measure and cut the yardage from the roll.
I'm driving to Pittsburgh tomorrow to pick-up the Insultex - 4 hrs each way. Had been planning on going today, but other things got in the way.
I've arranged with the local Hancock fabrics store manager to use their machine for measuring fabric Wed. morning. It's motorized and should make measuring the Insultex and cutting the lengths a lot easier. The machine is designed for heavy fabrics like drapery fabric and may not work on the light Insultex. The manager said that maybe a slow speed will work. I'll find out. JoAnne Fabrics and Hancock both have one. I've never seen it used at JoAnne's (their's is usually pilled high with other stuff) and only once at Hancock. If it works, it'll be a really neat way to measure and cut the yardage from the roll.
Looking forward to getting this. If you'd rather have payment other than PayPal, I'd be happy to send MO or check.
Looking forward to getting this. If you'd rather have payment other than PayPal, I'd be happy to send MO or check.
Same here. What ever works best for you.
Just back from the drive to Pittsburgh - 8 hours sitting - reminds me why I have used a stand-up desk for over 20 years :scared: :)
I almost took the car instead of the van, good thing I didn't. Knowing that the roll is 62"x26" isn't like actually seeing that thing - no way would it have fit in the car.
Here is a pic of the roll standing at the back of the van:
http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/2/2/6/insultex.roll.1.jpg
Our neighbor was waiting to see what this thing looked like and brought out his cell phone and took a pic and sent it to me.
As big as it is, it isn't really that heavy.
The cost so far per yard:
Insultex: $2.25
Gas: $51.24 (less than I had anticipated)
tolls: $16.90 ( I had forgotten that the Pennsy turnpike is a toll road :( )
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per yard: $2.46
After having examined the Insultex, I can guarantee that the poncho (they looked at me blankly when I talked about that, they know it as the stadium pack) is a single layer. Also got to examine their Arctic Armour stuff. I can see why the bibs and jacket are about $350, the quality is really good. The Arctic Armour gear uses a triple layer of the Insultex in the roll we got. On the iceshanty forum, some of the ice fishermen have stated that they have used the Arctic Armour gear down to single digits and below and been warm and comfortable.
Funny - my better half was really glad on Sunday that we weren't able to go yesterday like I had planned. They had predicted heavy rain and severe thunderstorms and she absolutely hates driving in heavy rain - I keep teasing her about that telling her that the car/van won't dissolve. Then the weather wasn't much as predicted, just cloudy and a little rain was all. Today was supposed to be sunny and nice. Halfway to Pittsburgh we ran into snow showers. Cleared up by the time we got to Pittsburgh, then it didn't snow again until we were leaving Pittsburgh and then it really started coming down thick and heavy. The visibility on the Pennsy turnpike was down to a quarter mile or less. Everybody was still driving like they were an hour late. All of the traffic I clocked was up to 75 mph and a lot of it was still running away from me. At that speed, if there had been a problem NOBODY would have had enough reaction room to keep from plowing into the pile-up. At 75 mph and 1/4 mile, you have 12 seconds to recognize what is happening, react and stop the vehicle - ain't going to happen :scared:. Not with a quarter mile or less visibility. I quit clocking them. Thankfully we drove out of the snow about 60 to 70 miles south of Pittsburgh. All the way back she was sorry we hadn't been able to go yesterday. :laugh:
GrizzlyAdams
04-07-2009, 21:18
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After having examined the Insultex, I can guarantee that the poncho (they looked at me blankly when I talked about that, they know it as the stadium pack) is a single layer.
What's your understanding of the 3 layers I saw opening the edge of the "stadium pack"? Is this a Trinitarian poncho? :shades:
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Everybody was still driving like they were an hour late. All of the traffic I clocked was up to 75 mph and a lot of it was still running away from me. At that speed, if there had been a problem NOBODY would have had enough reaction room to keep from plowing into the pile-up....
When I lived in New Hampshire and it would snow heavily, I'd stay off the Interstate even though that got plowed first. The truckers passing through would continue on at 65 miles an hour and saner folk would poke along at 30 mph...and with low visibility you could come up on someone going 15 mph, suddenly. On the smaller 2 lane roads conveys of vehicles would form up, every one crawling along, but if anything happened it happened at much slower speeds.
Grizz
guySmiley
04-08-2009, 08:39
What's your understanding of the 3 layers I saw opening the edge of the "stadium pack"? Is this a Trinitarian poncho? :shades:
I'm very curious about this. Not the divinity of the material, but the actual explanation. :)
Thanks for "taking one for the team" TD - that sounds like it was one heck of a trip. We all owe you one. Let me know whatever is easiest for you, I can send you a check ahead of time, or paypal, whatever. Thanks again for doing all the work.
canoebie
04-08-2009, 18:51
What's your understanding of the 3 layers I saw opening the edge of the "stadium pack"? Is this a Trinitarian poncho? :shades:Grizz
I am Unitarian, this simply wouldn't work. :laugh:
What's your understanding of the 3 layers I saw opening the edge of the "stadium pack"? Is this a Trinitarian poncho? :shades:
Well I really couldn't vouch for the doctrine of it's faith, but I'm sure it never attend any institution of higher learning except to maybe cheer on the Cricket team. :D
There are 3 layer to a single layer. This is the form they use in clothing. They call it "scrim". The 3 layers of a single layer are very thin. I looked at the inside of their Arctic Armour and even a triple layer is hard to believe.
When I lived in New Hampshire and it would snow heavily, I'd stay off the Interstate even though that got plowed first. The truckers passing through would continue on at 65 miles an hour and saner folk would poke along at 30 mph...and with low visibility you could come up on someone going 15 mph, suddenly. On the smaller 2 lane roads conveys of vehicles would form up, every one crawling along, but if anything happened it happened at much slower speeds.
Grizz
Yeah some people are just plain crazy - that wouldn't apply to me of course :lol: - well maybe if you talk to my better half. On graduation from college, my brother moved to Portland ( the left coast variety ) and after the first dusting with about 1/4" of snow and getting scared white (him, not the snow) from the drivers, thereafter flatly refused to drive whenever there was ANY snow whatsoever. He said that they get so little snow, that NOBODY there had the least idea of how to drive in the stuff. One of my neighbors about 2 winters back had purchased a 4 wheel drive SUV (you can see this coming). Walking home from my morning constitutional after a dusting of about 1" of snow at night and then rain on top of that and then the temperatures dropped precipitously and froze everything so we had about 1" of solid ice, I stopped to watch her trying to get up her driveway with about a 15 degree incline - since she had power to all 4 wheels, she literally burned her way through the ice with all 4 and up about 150' of driveway. I was totally amazed that she managed to stay on the driveway, she kept it from slipping to the side. A magnificent demonstration of control :scared::lol:. It's really amazing how the ones around here with 4 wheel drive will drive when there is ice - they are totally immune to the effects of ice, of course.
Took the roll over to Hancock Fabrics today - boy what a let down - the roll's diameter is far too big to use their machine. We stood and commiserated with the manager for a while.
Then I had to drop back to Plan A. Brought the roll home, scrounged an old 1" AL pole about 72" long and threaded that down the center cardboard tube. Drilled 1.25" holes on the end of 2 2"x4" and used 2 more to make 2 stands.
Set it all up in the basement and started unrolling. I can get a straight run of about 30', but will limit to 20'. So Plan A: mark 20' and 10' on the flooring with masking tape and do 20' and 10' increments to get the yardage. Tried a 10 yard cut and it works well. 10 yards comes to 24.90 oz and makes a bundle 14"x32"x2". So I'll be cutting tomorrow and finding the right boxes.
Ramblinrev
04-08-2009, 19:25
Took the roll over to Hancock Fabrics today - boy what a let down - the roll's diameter is far too big to use their machine. We stood and commiserated with the manager for a while.
Weird.. I think the one in our semi-local drapery fabric store hangs the roll on a separate rack off the machine and feeds it through. You could measure a round haybale on that if the hay would stay together through the machine.
Weird.. I think the one in our semi-local drapery fabric store hangs the roll on a separate rack off the machine and feeds it through. You could measure a round haybale on that if the hay would stay together through the machine.
I never thought to try a drapery fabric store or an upholstery place. But since I never patronize them, they might be a lot more hesitant to let me use their machine. The Hancock Fabrics manager was very accommodating and even offered to have one their personnel assist me. The machines at the local JoAnne's and Hancock have a bin at the back where the roll is placed on long rollers. The fabric goes up over the top, under the measurement wheel and then to the front bin where the machine has motorized rollers to pull the fabric through. The front and back bins would only accommodate rolls up to about 16" in diameter.
animalcontrol
04-08-2009, 19:50
...10 yards comes to 24.90 oz.
So, by my marginal at best math skills...
10 linear yds = 62"X360"=22,320 sq in
22,320 sq in/1,296 sq in per sq yd=17.22 sq yd
24.90 oz/17.22 sq yd=1.45 oz per sq yd
It appears that the quoted weight on the retail website http://www.insultex.com/index2.html of 0.42 oz/sq yd would be for a single layer of the 3-layers. Yes?
So, by my marginal at best math skills...
10 linear yds = 62"X360"=22,320 sq in
22,320 sq in/1,296 sq in per sq yd=17.22 sq yd
24.90 oz/17.22 sq yd=1.45 oz per sq yd
It appears that the quoted weight on the retail website http://www.insultex.com/index2.html of 0.42 oz/sq yd would be for a single layer of the 3-layers. Yes?
Confirming:
(62/36) * 10 == 17.2222222 sq yards
24.90/17.2222 = 1.45 oz/sq yd.
1.45/3 ==0.48 oz/sq yd
So it seems that the weight they quote is for one of the 3 layers making up the 3 layers of a single layer. The 2 outer layers are different from the middle layer and it would appear that the middle layer is the one they are quoting on.
jeffjenn
04-08-2009, 20:17
If the outer layers are scrim layers are they needed? Required for strength purposes possibly?
GrizzlyAdams
04-09-2009, 08:48
anticipating another question, although I don't have a pony in this show, for someone who was going to use more than one "Layer" from your roll, should they remove scrim as they double or triple up to sandwich however many layers of Insultex they want between only two layers of scrim, or does every layer of Insultex need to be encapsulated by scrim.
I guess the real question is whether when you saw what they do in the Arctic clothing could you tell how they handled this.
I still can't see any visual difference between the scrim layers and Insultex layers on the edge I exposed on my poncho. They have the same bubble texture, they look to be the same width, and by TeeDee's calculations it seems they have the same weight.
Grizz
jeffjenn
04-09-2009, 10:59
I still can't see any visual difference between the scrim layers and Insultex layers on the edge I exposed on my poncho. They have the same bubble texture, they look to be the same width, and by TeeDee's calculations it seems they have the same weight.
Grizz
Maybe they ran out of scrim on yours & you got 3 layers of insulation. It's one of a kind Griz!:lol:;) Man your just too lucky.;)
GrizzlyAdams
04-09-2009, 12:15
Maybe they ran out of scrim on yours & you got 3 layers of insulation. It's one of a kind Griz!:lol:;) Man your just too lucky.;)
I think you're right! And therefore the poncho must be worth what that three-layer Arctic Gear is selling for.
For sale : triple layer Insultex stadium pack (a.k.a. poncho). Slightly used, but three-layer composition visually verified. A framed seven-year-old's crayon interpretation of Hillary reaching South Pole wearing poncho included.
Shipped world-wide.
A steal at $450.
I have good news :) and bad news :( and good news :) and other news.
:) good news - the roll has been completely cut into yardages. Using the stand and 20' and 10' increments, the cutting went pretty fast
:( bad news - Mrprez - for various reasons I was holding cutting the 35 yards for you until the last. I started rolling out the yardage and hit the end of the roll with 19 yards. The roll was 21 yards short of the 325 yards. The last 4 yards are probably good for use, but don't look as good as the rest and all 4 yards may not be usable. I called i.d.i. gear and talked to Joe Jr. Told him the problem and he immediately offered to send me the remaining 25 yards. I immediately accepted.
:) good news - Mrprez, I looked back and you originally ordered 25 yards. The 25 yards coming will go to you. That leaves the 19 yards. You can have the 19 yards or if somebody else wants the 19 yards, then they can, but I figure you have first refusal. Pay for only 15 yards and get 19 yards.
other news. The only thing that remains for me to do now is to find 17 boxes of the right size. I know the weights for the cut yardages. Once I have the boxes,. I'll know the shipping weights and can accurately compute postage and can then post the charges to be paid through paypal.
I have good news :) and bad news :( and good news :) and other news.
:) good news - the roll has been completely cut into yardages. Using the stand and 20' and 10' increments, the cutting went pretty fast
:( bad news - Mrprez - for various reasons I was holding cutting the 35 yards for you until the last. I started rolling out the yardage and hit the end of the roll with 19 yards. The roll was 21 yards short of the 325 yards. The last 4 yards are probably good for use, but don't look as good as the rest and all 4 yards may not be usable. I called i.d.i. gear and talked to Joe Jr. Told him the problem and he immediately offered to send me the remaining 25 yards. I immediately accepted.
:) good news - Mrprez, I looked back and you originally ordered 25 yards. The 25 yards coming will go to you. That leaves the 19 yards. You can have the 19 yards or if somebody else wants the 19 yards, then they can, but I figure you have first refusal. Pay for only 15 yards and get 19 yards.
other news. The only thing that remains for me to do now is to find 17 boxes of the right size. I know the weights for the cut yardages. Once I have the boxes,. I'll know the shipping weights and can accurately compute postage and can then post the charges to be paid through paypal.
I will take both the 25 and the 19. Thanks.
I will take both the 25 and the 19. Thanks.
They're yours :D
They're yours :D
Do you think this will be a one time thing he is doing for you or have you asked him about future purchases?
Do you think this will be a one time thing he is doing for you or have you asked him about future purchases?
I haven't really asked about that.
My feeling, without really asking, is that he would be willing to sell full rolls. Having been there, they aren't set-up for yardage. He's doing the 25 yards because the roll was short. Like most or all of the textiles now, it's coming from overseas, Indonesia. So they have storage, but no production room. Lots of boxes full of garments in plastic. In looking around their facilities, they do logo work - special runs for companies, athletic teams, etc. with special colors and stenciled/embroidered logos/names. All of the production is in Indonesia.
I lived in Philly for 15 years when the garment industry there was thriving. We knew people who knew people and could go directly to the manufacturing facility for men's clothes: sports jackets, pants, suits, overcoats ( I still have a Cashmere full overcoat I paid less than $20, really soft and very warm - waiting for them to come back in style), leather coats. When you are a starving graduate student being able to buy at 25% to 30% of retail really helps. Overseas competition drove all the production overseas. It was really amazing how fast the industry in Philly collapsed. In less than 5 years, over 95% of it was just gone. In about 7 years it was only a memory. I knew a few people who had been floor managers of the facilities and they tried starting small operations of their own, working out their of homes, doing their own cutting using patterns they had salvaged from the plants and shipping the cut goods to people in North/South Carolina to sew. They just couldn't compete with the overseas prices and volume. In 3 to 4 years, they had to give up also.
Found the boxes needed for shipping. They'll be here Mon, Tues or Wed. Tried all the local stores, but they don't have that many boxes left over usually.
Take a few hours to pack everything up, slap on the labels and take to the PO.
If anybody prefers UPS, let me know.
Found the boxes needed for shipping. They'll be here Mon, Tues or Wed. Tried all the local stores, but they don't have that many boxes left over usually.
Take a few hours to pack everything up, slap on the labels and take to the PO.
If anybody prefers UPS, let me know.
Do you want us to PM you with address info?
DougTheElder
04-10-2009, 17:34
Shall we PM with address? What about payment? I can as easily send a check and avoid PayPal fees. I don't mind waiting until the check clears for you to ship. I wouldn't try to figure the cost down to the absolute penny...give yourself a little slack. For all the trouble you've gone to you sure don't deserve to take a hit. DTE
If you want to send a check, that's okay too. I'll PM an address if you decide on that.
If paying by check, include address with check.
If paying by paypal, include address in comments section.
I've computed a box weight for an example and found the cost to Denver, CO 80014 as an example.
This is a computed weight and not the actual box weight, 36.18 oz. Probably within an oz or two, hopefully.
10 yards shipping weight: 61.08 oz
By P.O.: parcel post - $13.07
By UPS ground: $12.33
15 yards shipping weight: 73.38 oz
By P.O.: parcel post - $14.12
By UPS ground: $12.86
20 yards shipping weight: 85.98 oz
By P.O.: parcel post - $15.11
By UPS ground: $13.17
40 yards shipping weight: 135.68 oz
By P.O.: parcel post - $17.84
By UPS ground: $14.66
UPS wins the cost competition. So that would probably be the best way to go.
Those who haven't already pm'd me their addresses, would you please do so.
I can then get an idea of the shipping costs and finalize them when the boxes actually arrive.
When I get the final costs, I'll send pm's to each one with the final cost.
Thanks - It's been fun and a learning experience.
Oh-No has made an offer that is very kind and pretty good. He is attending MAHHA this next weekend.
He has offered to pickup the yardage for others attending MAHHA and bring it to you. Thus, saving the shipping.
If you are attending MAHHA and paying through paypal you might want to take advantage of Oh-No's kind offer.
This, of course, depends if we can make arrangements for meeting and transfer the goods to his vehicle and our meeting point isn't too far out of his way there.
So, for those paying by paypal and attending, this should work to your advantage.
Please post to this thread if you desire this service.
Thanks again to Oh-No for doing this.
Boxes arrived today. The yardage is all boxed and weighed. I will ship via UPS since all of my comparisons have shown UPS to be the least expensive.
Also, I received the missing yardage from i.d.i. gear today. I called yesterday and the CEO said they would send out yesterday or today. They sent yesterday.
I have sent pm's to those who have sent me their addresses with the final costs and payment options.
Haven't received pm's with addresses from the following:
dblhammck
Neo
ref103
psyculman
Please pm me your addresses when you read this. Thanks
Thanks to all those who participated.
I forgot to give my email to those using paypal:
fastsnip - ebay at yahoo.com
with no blanks
Boxes arrived today. The yardage is all boxed and weighed. I will ship via UPS since all of my comparisons have shown UPS to be the least expensive.
Also, I received the missing yardage from i.d.i. gear today. I called yesterday and the CEO said they would send out yesterday or today. They sent yesterday.
I have sent pm's to those who have sent me their addresses with the final costs and payment options.
Haven't received pm's with addresses from the following:
dblhammck
Neo
ref103
psyculman
Please pm me your addresses when you read this. Thanks
Thanks to all those who participated.
I didn't get a Pm with the costs yet.:)
I didn't get a Pm with the costs yet.:)
sent - your's is 2 boxes and so took me a little longer to get the costs together and the pm :D
sent - your's is 2 boxes and so took me a little longer to get the costs together and the pm :D
No problemo. Payment has been sent.
Money sent by Paypal e-check. Thanks for doing this Tee Dee.
My 10 yds of insultex is here! Thanks to the D's - Big D for sharing and TeeDee for coordinating the whole thing.
Now that I have my hands on this stuff, it looks like the layer in the center is maybe some type of very thin closed cell foam? (sandwiched between two very thin layers of microporous polypropylene - neat sheet type material)?. The foam inner layer reminds me of the stuff they wrap new laptop computers in (only thinner).
Anyway, I'm thinking that it might resist compression, so I'm going to try making an inner bottom blanket to put inside the hammock (instead of an under quilt type to go on the outside). By going on the inside I can make it smaller. Maybe 3 layers of insultex thick? Not sure about that yet.
I'm not sure how abrasion resistant the outer scrim material is so I went looking for some nylon at Walmart for the outer layer - turns out they're closing the fabric dept so everything was half off - not much left but I found a bolt of 1.1 ripstop in grey with a little over six yds on it - $5.15, sweet!
Next rainy day I'll sew this up, I'll use the insultex and 1.1 nylon to make a blanket - sort of like a RayWay quilt, but I think I'll also add some sleeves/pockets on the bottom to accept normal pads (like an SPE). The plan would be to use it by itself but when it gets really cold I can add more insulation in the sleeves.
I know it won't really breath but I don't have any problem with condensation on the bottom - I can sleep directly on ccf or on a windshield reflector with no problems.
What are you guys planning for your Insultex ?
GrizzlyAdams
04-18-2009, 06:56
...
Anyway, I'm thinking that it might resist compression, so I'm going to try making an inner bottom blanket to put inside the hammock (instead of an under quilt type to go on the outside). By going on the inside I can make it smaller. Maybe 3 layers of insultex thick? Not sure about that yet.
My read on the stuff is that it is prone to compression. This hypothesis is consistent with experience I had trying to use the poncho as an UQ (cold spots at butt and shoulders---points of highest compression), and the experiences reported by users of the Insultex clothing of cold spots at joints if the clothing is too tight (again, points of compression).
If I were to do an UQ with it (and I may end up doing this with my poncho) I'd work in an edge suspension to cause it to fit uniformly along the body of my bridge hammock. Otherwise I'd look at a top covering where issues of compression are less critical.
your mileage may vary
Grizz
William Hayes
04-18-2009, 16:40
put me down for 20 yards
WH the deal is done. Maybe somebody will sell you some of theirs.
put me down for 20 yards
There are 4 people who ordered that have failed to send me their addresses and are unresponsive to pm and email requests thus far. They have orders for 10 yards, 15 yards and 2 20 yard allotments. If they don't respond within a reasonable time, their allotments will be put up for whoever wants to pay for them.
So if they continue to fail to respond, you will be first in line for one of the 20 yard allotments.
TeeDee,
I, too, would like to be on the "waiting list" for 20yds.
Thank you for all the effort!
TeeDee,
I, too, would like to be on the "waiting list" for 20yds.
Thank you for all the effort!
I'll add you to the waiting list.
Got a response on the 15 yard allotment.
So down to 1 10 yard and 2 20 yard allotments with no response.
non-responding allotments thus far:
10 yards
20 yards
20 yards
waiting list if above allotments not taken by originators:
William Hayes
Funny Money
Dutch
Okay, the final respondents have replied and all except one have re-affirmed that they want the Insultex.
One that had ordered 20 yards is willing to take the Insultex, but the person who was going to be doing the sewing is no longer around. They would be immediately offering the 20 yards for sale on the forums.
Rather than doing that, I think it would be better to just have one of the people on the waiting list accept the 20 yards.
So starting at the top of the list, I will be offering to the people in the order in which they expressed a desire for the Insultex:
William Hayes
Funny Money
Dutch
As soon as I get a pm back from the person that can no longer sew the Insultex, the people on the waiting list will be offered the 20 yards.
Okay - all of the Insultex material has been spoken for.
William Hayes accepted the 20 yard allotment.
In looking at the UPS tracking info, I see that 7 have been delivered and a few more are inroute. One is hanging delivery because the recipient wasn't available.
I have 6 boxes remaining for delivery/clearing of checks. Those should be delivered to UPS this week or next.
I would like to thank everyone for participating and making the group buy possible.
Lesson learned:
Set up a procedure and records for tracking who, how much, payment method, payment received, address and when shipped. The records should preferably be written/printed so that as things are accomplished, they can be physically checked-off. Doing it on the computer just didn't work for me and I've been using computers for over 3 decades.
I cannot tell you how many near panic attacks I had wondering if I did this or that.
I assembled the above record sheet as things developed and I thought -- Ohhh, I need this information. Wrong way to do it.
I found the UPS web site invaluable for computing shipping costs, setting up shipping and figuring what I had done and who's package had been shipped. That alone is worth the value of using UPS. If you do any shipping, set-up a UPS account. Like paypal it's free and it's great to do the work at home and then deliver prepaid packages to a UPS outlet, get a drop-off receipt and go. Tried doing the same thing at USPS web site - their web site just didn't work for me and their tracking information is non-existent. Don't get me started on the USPS for tracking, delivery confirmation, etc.
As they say: The devil is in the details.
I was never good at procedural detail and getting worse as I have less and less tolerance for it. See what getting old does for you.:D
I would like to try 10 yards if you have any left.
Mine is the one hanging. I am out of town, but I will try to get it tomorrow. Neighbor said there was UPS slip on door.
Received mine today - now to find the time to do something with it.:rolleyes:
I got mine too. Has anyone determined the correct way to orient the material for vapor transfer?
I got mine too. Has anyone determined the correct way to orient the material for vapor transfer?
I asked the i.d.i. gear CEO about this when I was there.
Both sides are the same.
Vapor transmission goes either way. Water-proofness is not provided by the Insultex itself, but by another fabric you supply, e.g., silnyl. He had one of their Arctic Armour suits with some of the seams opened. On their Arctic Armour, they have a waterproof outer fabric. It has a white coating on the side of the fabric facing the inside.
Thanks. I am eager to get working with this stuff .
UPS dropped mine off yesterday - didn't realize how wide the fabric was! Now I'm thinking of an underquilt for this.
Thanks again TeeDee!
guySmiley
04-23-2009, 10:37
You guys need to hurry up and make some stuff. I'm looking forward to seeing/hearing how it turns out.
Anyone know what the requirements are for quilting. The material is already quiled in a diamond shape, I am wondering what would happen if I made a TQ and quilted all the layers together. This is interesting stuff.
Anyone know what the requirements are for quilting. The material is already quiled in a diamond shape, I am wondering what would happen if I made a TQ and quilted all the layers together. This is interesting stuff.
Don't really know. It's all pretty new - being the first means we get to break trail :D
I got mine too. Has anyone determined the correct way to orient the material for vapor transfer?
The stuff thats in the middle, not the thin white stuff on the outside, are you all saying that stuff in the middle will pass water vapor? And is it water and water vapor or just the vapor form that will pass thru?
The stuff thats in the middle, not the thin white stuff on the outside, are you all saying that stuff in the middle will pass water vapor? And is it water and water vapor or just the vapor form that will pass thru?
From psyculman (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8357) tests, water does seep through. If you want water proof, then you need something like silnyl on one side.
My thought's are that since the water isn't really dangerous to the Insultex like it is for down, then water proof isn't really necessary for something like an under quilt.
Got mine today! Thanks, TeeDee for all you did for us!!!!
Walking Bear
04-29-2009, 21:06
My fabric came yesterday. I did a water test today. I pushed the fabric down in a wide mouth quart jar and put a rubber band around the top and filled with water. Water went through in both directions. I think it the holes left from the quilting are the leakes.
headchange4u
06-01-2009, 09:38
Since the group buy is completed I am closing this thread. I moved some of the discussion to the original discussion thread (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7500).