Michigan Winter Hang Jan. 10, 11 , 12 Huron Nat. Forest

[riverjoe]

Ok the sight is set . Six brave souls committed . Should be plenty of snow and cold to test your mettle . Beautiful Byron Lake primary sight . We have a number of backup sights within 10 or 15 miles should we not be able to get down the road . This is between Mio and Oscoda along the beautiful Ausauble river . East of Grayling . Good Ice fishing for those that don't want to pack food .
Small hike of 1.5 miles to sight but plenty of hiking trails in this 20,000 acre area .

Rangerjoes campsight this fall on Byron lake .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/rangerjoe_zps78ec6834.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/rangerjoe_zps78ec6834.jpg.html)

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/Ausablecampin_zpsff088b3a.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/Ausablecampin_zpsff088b3a.jpg.html)

Looks like a max of 6 miles of unplowed road (F 32)to the Byron lake side of the trail , then about 1.5 to 2 mile hike to the sight . Also about a half mile hike to Blockhouse creek and a little further to the Au Sauble river . Looks great to me .


We will shuttle people from the BP on the corner of 72 and 65 if necessary for 2WD vehicles .




Video of the trail made by a fellow I know . He's really getting good at these vids .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W-i53to9GY

Topo of the area .
http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/byronlake_zps3d936e77.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/byronlake_zps3d936e77.jpg.html)

[MichiganHiker]

If you wouldnt mind another soul heading out with you, I may be able to make it. I have been all through the area, it is called the Hoist Lake Foot Travel Area. I did a piece on it a while back and have a map available for it.
Hoist Lake (http://www.examiner.com/article/hoist-lakes-foot-travel-area-near-wilderness-backpacking-close-to-home)

Here is the link to the forest service site also (http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsinternet/!ut/p/c4/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gDfxMDT8MwRydLA1cj72 BTJw8jAwjQL8h2VAQAzHJMsQ!!/?ss=110904&navtype=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&navid=110400000000000&pnavid=110000000000000&recid=18798&actid=79&ttype=recarea&pname=Huron-Manistee%2520National%2520Forests%2520-%2520Hoist%2520Lake%2520Semi-Primitive%2520Nonmotorized%2520Area)

[Boudah]

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n385/jboudah/Futurama_Relevant.jpg

Put me down as a maybe.

[riverjoe]

Welcome aboard fellow hikers . Michigan Hiker , have you been there in the winter and if so did you try going in the west side off the Ausauble road ?

[OneClick]

I was there last year, amazing fall colors! Missed it this year unfortunately, so maybe I'll see what it's like in the winter.

I believe they plow the lot to the east off State Road (M65), or maybe both lots, but can take a few days after a big snow. Either way, it's just a very short access road so if at least one person breaks a trail with 4x4, others may be able to follow.

Put me down for a maybe!

Sharing some fall photos:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist1.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist2.jpg

[OneClick]

Did I just invite myself? Looking back, I'm not sure if this was an open event or just a post about a private outting with some friends. I won't be offended either way :)

[michigandave]

Did I just invite myself? Looking back, I'm not sure if this was an open event or just a post about a private outting with some friends. I won't be offended either way :)

I was thinking the same too, and it's now on my radar. Hoist Lakes in the winter could be an adventure. M-65 is the best winter access, IMO.

Subscribed to this thread for future updates :).

[OneClick]

BTW, Michigan better get some hardcore snow this year. I had a hard time getting the snowshoes out last season...total bummer!

[riverjoe]

Sorry guys I did not make it clear ALL ARE WELCOME . My wife tells me that I have little conversations inside my head sometimes that I think other people can hear .

I know that the east side off 65 would be plowed its just the hike would be shorter from the west . Depends on snow ofcourse but just a couple miles on snowshoes is about enough for me . Prolly have to wait until the 8th or 9th to determine the best course of action . The fellow who's idea this was just lives up in Onaway so he could update us as we get closer .
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[Vulture]

I live in Alpena and drive by Hoist Lakes daily on my way to work. Never dealt with serious Winter camping yet, but this outing is on my radar also.

[riverjoe]

Here we are last year in a shelter or coral with a fire in the center that stayed quite comfortable in the teens . http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/DSC000621.jpg

[boulderv7]

Well, I have this on my radar as well. I love winter camping, but this will be my first winter in a hammock. Its a long ride for me, about 3 hours, so if the weather cooperates I may make it.

[riverjoe]

Be my first in a hammock as well . I plan on handling it with overkill . Huge underquilt and GI ECW bag as overquilt .

[OneClick]

Over 5 hour drive for me from Indiana...ugh. But I'll keep this in mind. I have a 20° UQ so if lows are approaching 0° I may be out.

[riverjoe]

Over 5 hour drive for me from Indiana...ugh. But I'll keep this in mind. I have a 20° UQ so if lows are approaching 0° I may be out.



Mark ,

We winter camped last year on the BLoodroot trail ( 78 miles north of Indy ) had about a foot of snow the week before the campout then warming trend blew in and melted it all . Luckily we got a couple of inches on the Friday night we chose so we were able to use our pulks . This year we want snow snow lots of snow .
For $50 you can get the old ECW bag (down on top synthetid on the bottom )from these guys
http://www.armygear.net/ag/store/search.html?tf=sku&bs=1&em=1&su=1&ml=15&fi=products&st=db&tf=prod_group&sf=category&se=Sleeping%20Bags%2c%20Pads%20%26%20Blankets that you could lay in your hammock as a pad or use it as a sleeping bag . 10 lbs or so but we all use pulks in the winter which you can comfortabley pull 50 or 60 pounds . I used this last year with 14 degrees and high winds with no problem . Ground sleeping tho . This year definitely gonna hang .
If you are a died in the wool ultralighter it would go against your grain I spose .

[Jeff Kindy]

Looks like a great trip! I camp near there a lot. All year round. There can be a lot of snow.
On my wish list to attend, but I have a scout outing near the same time in Port Huron.

Have fun and be sure to post pics!

[OneClick]

Mark ,

We winter camped last year on the BLoodroot trail ( 78 miles north of Indy ) had about a foot of snow the week before the campout then warming trend blew in and melted it all . Luckily we got a couple of inches on the Friday night we chose so we were able to use our pulks . This year we want snow snow lots of snow .
For $50 you can get the old ECW bag (down on top synthetid on the bottom )from these guys
http://www.armygear.net/ag/store/search.html?tf=sku&bs=1&em=1&su=1&ml=15&fi=products&st=db&tf=prod_group&sf=category&se=Sleeping%20Bags%2c%20Pads%20%26%20Blankets that you could lay in your hammock as a pad or use it as a sleeping bag . 10 lbs or so but we all use pulks in the winter which you can comfortabley pull 50 or 60 pounds . I used this last year with 14 degrees and high winds with no problem . Ground sleeping tho . This year definitely gonna hang .
If you are a died in the wool ultralighter it would go against your grain I spose .

I'll want to carry everything in my pack, but I can bring my big 80L and add a thick blanket. I would bring one of my pads, but I'm always worried about condensation. For top, I'm always more than warm enough with a 15° down bag and long underwear.

Getting excited! Better not be one of those 37° and rainy days! You never know.

[riverjoe]

Im thinking we should be pretty safe at that latitude as far as being below freezing , but as you say "you never know anymore " . Looking at Mio Michigan high and low temps for Jan . I'd say it's pretty cold usually .

I see the Minnesota guys are bringing their igloo tool which makes me a little jealous . Wait a minute I know an igloo specialist let me see if he's available .

[Taser]

Well, I have this on my radar as well. I love winter camping, but this will be my first winter in a hammock. Its a long ride for me, about 3 hours, so if the weather cooperates I may make it.

You can make it. Bring the big fur ball and we can have her collect wood. You gonna convince your better half to come?

[easy_grounder]

Count me in. No stranger to the cold.

What is the itinerary? Car camp and day hikes? Hike a loop (setup and teardown each night)? Just let me know. It will determine how I pack for the weekend.

[riverjoe]

The idea is to get within a couple of miles of the camp and then backpack or pulk in . Car camping doesn't cut it IMHO . If somebody wants a real test then all they have to do is park at Hoist Lakes access east then you have a number of miles to the campsight . I havn't measured it yet , but Im guessing about 8 .


Map of trail system . We plan on parking at west parking area and hiking to Byron Lake . At least that is the plan . If you park at the east parking lot as you can see there is a more difficult trail to Byron Lake . East is plowed apparently and west may or may not be plowed . I plan on bringing my 4 WD 3/4 ton with king cab . I may buy some chains as well just to be safe . I will ferry folks that need it from the BP Subway on the corner of 72 and 65 if necessary .

http://www.oscoda.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/hoist_trail_map.pdf

[boulderv7]

You can make it. Bring the big fur ball and we can have her collect wood. You gonna convince your better half to come?

This made me laugh! My dog would die! :lol: And as far as the better half is concerned, we would all be better off if I left her at home! :D She does not like the cold very much, I don't think she would come even if I invited her. Are you going Taser?

[Taser]

Oh yes I am in. Been years since I've done any winter camping so this ought to be interesting. Snow will be deeper than you dog is tall:lol: I just wanted to see her hitting Joe in the shins with a stick til he plays.
Figure the pulk snowshoes and pack need a work out. Polishing and sharpening the axe and saw. Fine tuning the stove, figuring my menu, all the fun planning for a tightly scheduled, high tech event such as this.:scared:

[riverjoe]

Anybody skiing in I wonder . I used to do a little of that 30 years ago . It would be cool to see anyway .

[OneClick]

I hope I NEED the snowshoes. I live in Fort Wayne, IN which I swear has some type of forcefield around it blocking any decent snow...we get NOTHING every year (misses us to the north, south, east, and west)

I can't commit 100% to the trip at this time, but if anyone wants to car pool to save $$ that would be great. Coming from Ft Wayne, there's a chance I'm passing thru someones area on the way. Got room for 2 or 3 in the Jeep.

I would even be willing to do a midnight hike in Thursday night after a 5hr drive...I love the dark!

[riverjoe]

North of Dupont Rd we get more .

This morning I woke up and couldn't hardly find the durn thing .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0057.jpg

Aloha from the tropics my Northern brothers .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0107-1.jpg

I have to drive since Ive committed to pick people up , but if you don't mind sitting in the king cab so far it's just me and one other guy .

Im head down to Hoosier Nat Forest for the Halloween Hang tomorrow morining if you want to go .

[OneClick]

No way! Was that from today? I'm just off Auburn Rd north of Dupont. You never really know with the lake effect sometimes making its way down this far.

[riverjoe]

No way! Was that from today? I'm just off Auburn Rd north of Dupont. You never really know with the lake effect sometimes making its way down this far.

Not today . Last winter just before our Jan 26 outing . Then along came a hot wind from the desert and melted it all .

Im down on the Cedar Creek off Tonkel on Hursh .

[riverjoe]

No way! Was that from today? I'm just off Auburn Rd north of Dupont. You never really know with the lake effect sometimes making its way down this far.

Oh I see no I included the caption from a post I made on that hot tent .

Not today . Last winter just before our Jan 26 outing . Then along came a hot wind from the desert and melted it all .

Im down on the Cedar Creek off Tonkel on Hursh .

[OneClick]

Oh I see no I included the caption from a post I made on that hot tent .

Not today . Last winter just before our Jan 26 outing . Then along came a hot wind from the desert and melted it all .

Im down on the Cedar Creek off Tonkel on Hursh .

Stupid question on my part being just a few miles away...slow start for me this morning I guess :rolleyes:

Nice area out your way! Paddled Cedar Creek a few times.

I just ordered an underquilt protector - I'm sure that will come in handy for this hang!

[riverjoe]

I plan on checking out Lost Bikers Lewis model full underquilt this weekend . That would be nice if its big enough .

[vampiresmiley]

Since this is one of my regular areas, I may be up for this one... might be nice to try it with a group rather than my usual solo. Not sure what my schedule will look like in January at this point, but I'll pencil it in.

Michael

[riverjoe]

Be great to have someone familiar with the area along . Maybe you can give us some idea of what to expect and the best way to deal with it as we get closer to the date .

[easy_grounder]

The idea is to get within a couple of miles of the camp and then backpack or pulk in . Car camping doesn't cut it IMHO . If somebody wants a real test then all they have to do is park at Hoist Lakes access east then you have a number of miles to the campsight . I havn't measured it yet , but Im guessing about 8 .


Map of trail system . We plan on parking at west parking area and hiking to Byron Lake . At least that is the plan . If you park at the east parking lot as you can see there is a more difficult trail to Byron Lake . East is plowed apparently and west may or may not be plowed . I plan on bringing my 4 WD 3/4 ton with king cab . I may buy some chains as well just to be safe . I will ferry folks that need it from the BP Subway on the corner of 72 and 65 if necessary .

http://www.oscoda.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/hoist_trail_map.pdf

Cool, not a fan of the car camping either. Couple mile snowshoe hike is no prob. Might elect for the 8 mile hike. I will prob need a shuttle from the closest parking lot if the roads are shot. I drive a normal (not foot of snow friendly) car.

Looking forward to it. Peace.

[boulderv7]

If anyone is coming through or close to Grand rapids I would love to carpool. My car is less than amazing in inclement weather.

[riverjoe]

Went down to the Hoosier Nat Forest this last weekend with a bunch of ultra lighters . Sort of rethinking the winter set up now . Thinking about a monster underquilt with 6 inch loft 6 foot in length by 5 foot wide stuffed with about 36 oz of down . Not clear on the overquilt yet . Was going to build a new woodburner for this outing the Huron Hex light weight . Might just use my modified aluminum cook stove tho . So many options so little time .

[boulderv7]

Went down to the Hoosier Nat Forest this last weekend with a bunch of ultra lighters . Sort of rethinking the winter set up now . Thinking about a monster underquilt with 6 inch loft 6 foot in length by 5 foot wide stuffed with about 36 oz of down . Not clear on the overquilt yet . Was going to build a new woodburner for this outing the Huron Hex light weight . Might just use my modified aluminum cook stove tho . So many options so little time .

I just saw this on Facebook.....
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1380677_248840528600977_396176564_n.jpg
That's a -25 degree underquilt by Underground quilts, 28oz of 850 down!

[riverjoe]

Now that s what Im talking about .

[Stone]

Now that s what Im talking about .

UGQ is the way to go for massive, uber-warm quilts.

[OneClick]

Went down to the Hoosier Nat Forest this last weekend with a bunch of ultra lighters . Sort of rethinking the winter set up now . Thinking about a monster underquilt with 6 inch loft 6 foot in length by 5 foot wide stuffed with about 36 oz of down . Not clear on the overquilt yet . Was going to build a new woodburner for this outing the Huron Hex light weight . Might just use my modified aluminum cook stove tho . So many options so little time .

6" of loft?!?! Makes me all warm and cozy just reading that! I won't be investing in a "winter" UQ so depending on the weather, I may be pushing my 20° pretty hard!

[Taser]

I'm planning on the pluq with fleece and multiple layers to crawl into and a pl over the ridge line. Of course the big daddy with the srmnt doors gets a work out. Not sure what I'm using for stakes tho. Suggestions? Was thinking of buying some msr?

[OneClick]

Taser, check these out: http://www.amazon.com/Sierra-Designs-Tent-Stakes-Pack/dp/B0017TFPV2

I've been using mine since I started hanging. Just like the MSR Groundhog, but they don't have the loop of cord (unnecessary IMO) and cheaper. I only carry 4, and use two shepherd hook style stakes for my hammock pullouts.

[Stone]

Taser, check these out: http://www.amazon.com/Sierra-Designs-Tent-Stakes-Pack/dp/B0017TFPV2

I've been using mine since I started hanging. Just like the MSR Groundhog, but they don't have the loop of cord (unnecessary IMO) and cheaper. I only carry 4, and use two shepherd hook style stakes for my hammock pullouts.

I have ripped up my fingers pulling groundhogs out with out the cord loop. As another option a small loop of line (not attached) will do the same with out the cuts.

If the snow is real bad you might want to look into snow stakes...
http://www.amazon.com/MSR-sardine-Blizzard-red/dp/B000QCUN6S
Deadmen (which the above can be used for as well) or use a stick
http://sectionhiker.com/dead-men-in-winter/
Or snow sacks, can find a link to them but basically a small little umbrella shaped thing to use as a deadman as well.

[Stone]

Found one...
http://www.wintercampers.com/wintercamperscom-home/guide-to-winter-camping/08-winter-camping-shelters/

Go to section 8.5.3.2

[riverjoe]

I think the key is how much time we have to set up before nightfall . Last year I was looking for wooden stakes in a stiff breeze off the lake at 14 degrees F . This was about 10 o clock at night after I hiked in and the other guy didn't show up til the next day . Should have had it covered but I didn't . Only about 2 inches of snow in N . Indiana on Jan. 26 last year , but I spose it's conceivable to have 2 feet in Huron Natl. forest at that latitude on Jan. 10 so some dead men or stakes that can act as dead men like Shug uses would be good .

[OneClick]

I'm looking forward to HAVING to use some deadman stakes! The last two years seemed to be pretty sporadic for winter. It was there and I know we have pics to prove it, but it came late and was pretty weak overall. But three years ago I was at Nordhouse Dunes during a lake effect snow warning...BEST trip ever! NOAA was reporting 32" on the ground by the time I left.

[Taser]

Great info guys. Read the whole article. Hmmmm...did snow caves when I was a kid.

[riverjoe]

I saw a vid on Nordhouse dunes . Looks like a really great place to winter camp . My buddies from the other forum live mostly on the east but Id like to do Nordhouse sometime . Definitely more snow on the Western coast because of the westerly winds off the lake . Thing about Mio tho even if they don't get 2 feet at a time , what they do get doesn't get much chance to melt I think .

[lonetracker]

finally lured below the bridge. i am coming down to see you guys.

[riverjoe]

finally lured below the bridge. i am coming down to see you guys.



I ve read about this hammock of yours with the pockets you stuff with insulation for years now . I wonder if it's in your gallery . Im not too cool navigateing around this forum yet .

Is this it ?https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=17280&catid=member&imageuser=4644

My latest pod seems too constrictive for me ( also heavy )

[OneClick]

I'm trying to figure out my schedule. It's a 5hr drive, so I'll either take a half day vacation and arrive around 5:30PM Friday, or maybe burn the whole day and come up early Friday...or even late Thursday night. Too many options overloading my indecisive nature!

[riverjoe]

I'm trying to figure out my schedule. It's a 5hr drive, so I'll either take a half day vacation and arrive around 5:30PM Friday, or maybe burn the whole day and come up early Friday...or even late Thursday night. Too many options overloading my indecisive nature!



Why don't you take off Wednesday , break trail back to the campsight , get a nice fire going , drill some ice fishing / water holes and then we'll come moseying in . :)

Actually that kind of sounds like fun . You could hike to the top of Byron lake hill , down to the Ausauble etc .

[lonetracker]

I ve read about this hammock of yours with the pockets you stuff with insulation for years now . I wonder if it's in your gallery . Im not too cool navigateing around this forum yet .

Is this it ?https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=17280&catid=member&imageuser=4644

My latest pod seems too constrictive for me ( also heavy )

here is a thread i wrote about it.the only thing i would change is i would use a couple different colors of material for the pocket dividers.easier to keep track of whats where that way. and maybe instead of pleating the pocket material i would cut the pocket dividers radial from a bigger piece of material.

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48581

[riverjoe]

here is a thread i wrote about it.the only thing i would change is i would use a couple different colors of material for the pocket dividers.easier to keep track of whats where that way. and maybe instead of pleating the pocket material i would cut the pocket dividers radial from a bigger piece of material.

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48581

Looks like a ton of work but I think I have to try it . If it doesn't work out do you think you'd have room for a 250 pounder in your hammock ?

[lonetracker]

Looks like a ton of work but I think I have to try it . If it doesn't work out do you think you'd have room for a 250 pounder in your hammock ?

room for a 250....what! ok i am going to do everything i can to make sure this works for you.pm me if you have any sewing and design questions.heck pm me if you have any questions about anything as might remotely pertain to this project or any decisions about anything that could affect your sewing schedule,or ability.my advise is free.

[riverjoe]

That always works .

[OneClick]

Why don't you take off Wednesday , break trail back to the campsight , get a nice fire going , drill some ice fishing / water holes and then we'll come moseying in . :)

Actually that kind of sounds like fun . You could hike to the top of Byron lake hill , down to the Ausauble etc .

LOL! I'm on it!

[Taser]

room for a 250....what! ok i am going to do everything i can to make sure this works for you.pm me if you have any sewing and design questions.heck pm me if you have any questions about anything as might remotely pertain to this project or any decisions about anything that could affect your sewing schedule,or ability.my advise is free.

If he ask for a picture....run. Surprised me how many people are on two web site. LT can ya handle hanging with this many trolls?

[riverjoe]

So is it too early to talk about food . ( tied for first as my favorite topic ) . Thinking my four bean , bean stew from scratch . Tried a variation this fall with squirrel broth instead of bacon . Actually that might be a good destination for at least part of the Porkupine .

Did some Blueberry scones ( somebody around the fire called em scones ) Half Blueberry mix half biscuit mix . Used the reflective oven skills taught me by the BIG RED ONE . Used a disposable turkey pan as the reflector and a little homemade aluminum tray .

[MichiganHiker]

Welcome aboard fellow hikers . Michigan Hiker , have you been there in the winter and if so did you try going in the west side off the Ausauble road ?

I have only been there when there is no snow. Coming in on the M65 side would add considerably to the hike, snowshoe or ski in. I will try to check with the forest service to see if Ausable Road is plowed. I know that in the past they have plowed some of the parking areas.

[michigandave]

I have only been there when there is no snow. Coming in on the M65 side would add considerably to the hike, snowshoe or ski in. I will try to check with the forest service to see if Ausable Road is plowed. I know that in the past they have plowed some of the parking areas.

I agree. Just did the hike in from M65 to Byon Lake this past weekend. Took about 3 1/2 hours because we were taking our time. A 6 mile hike in with gear in the winter could be kind of brutal. If Ausable is open and passable, go with that. But, who know's with our Michigan winters...last year at the same time of year there was little or no snow on the ground.

[OneClick]

But, who know's with our Michigan winters...last year at the same time of year there was little or no snow on the ground.

That was pretty depressing :( Crossing my fingers for a HUGE snow a few days before this trip!

[riverjoe]

You guys and this negative snow talk . sNo need to worry .

2013–2014 U.S. Weather Highlights
Frigid Winter With Bitter Cold and Heavy Snow
Brrrrr! It looks like global warming will soon be taking a vacation to make room for Old Man Winter. This frosty forecast comes courtesy of The 2014 Old Farmer’s Almanac, available in digital or print on our Web site now—or, in your local store!

According to the newest edition of North America’s oldest continuously published periodical, a decline in solar activity combined with ocean-atmosphere patterns in the Pacific and Atlantic will result in below-normal temperatures and above-normal snowfall during most of the winter across much of the United States.

[OneClick]

Yeah I believe the NWS was saying temps "much below average" and precip "above average" for our area!

Unfortunatley I can't trust them since they did a complete 180° on the November prediction just a few days into November. Either way, mid-January is a good time to expect some good snow so I'm feeling pretty good about it.

[riverjoe]

I agree. Just did the hike in from M65 to Byon Lake this past weekend. Took about 3 1/2 hours because we were taking our time. A 6 mile hike in with gear in the winter could be kind of brutal. If Ausable is open and passable, go with that. But, who know's with our Michigan winters...last year at the same time of year there was little or no snow on the ground.

Did you get some more pics of Byron lake and environs . Is there much deadfall wood around ?

[lonetracker]

If he ask for a picture....run. Surprised me how many people are on two web site. LT can ya handle hanging with this many trolls?

heck yea!about time i visited my lower mi. brothers.,come to think of it except my lady i have never hung with a yooper.

[riverjoe]

Could be us Hoosiers may outnumber you guys . Altho I hold dual citizenship since I pay your OUTRAGEOUS Michigan property tax .

[michigandave]

Did you get some more pics of Byron lake and environs . Is there much deadfall wood around ?
We didn't have any problem finding plenty of wood in the general vicinity of our campsite. Our site was the established one on the top of the hill on the north side of Byron Lake. It had a fire ring with cooking grate and benches. This picture shows our site, but in the background closer to the lake is another rustic site that we looked at as an option. If it was windy, we probably would have gone for it, but having the bench was a bonus. IMHO, these would both be great sites for the winter hang with lots of hanging options and room for 2 fires. Lake access is easy but the shore area is shallow.

Here's a few images from this past weekend.

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=3160&pictureid=21239

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=3160&pictureid=21238

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=3160&pictureid=21237

[OneClick]

Looks nice! Byron sure is shallow along the edge. I was disappointed since I took my collapsible fishing pole. But I was able to land some nice bass out of South Hoist Lake!

[riverjoe]

Thnks much for the pics and report . Hill looks cool ( cold) depending on winds and temps eh ? Is there a nice little cozy holler somewhere . Im still thinking zero .


Yeah I see lots of little pine windbreaks in your photos . Hoist Lake rules are .......
Camping anywhere as long as 200 feet off the trail or in designated spots .

Hunting allowed

No motorized vehicles of any kind .

[michigandave]

Thnks much for the pics and report . Hill looks cool ( cold) depending on winds and temps eh ? Is there a nice little cozy holler somewhere . Im still thinking zero .

The last pic I posted is the back of the hill where the trail comes through. Pretty open area with a pine forest in the back. Otherwise, at the end of the lake there is another established site, but depending on the wind coming off the lake, it could be brutal. It would be possible to go back in the trees a bit and hunker down there.

[riverjoe]

On the other forum where this threads evil twin lives ,one of the guys posted this expectation of snowfall amounts for Mio Mi.

http://average-snowfall.weatherdb.com/l/17037/Mio-Michigan

[riverjoe]

This could be a little brutal but since we're only a couple of miles to the cars we should be safe . Also having Lonetracker here is a great plus . He's camped in the cold of the U.P. many times .
I plan on bringing extra bags , blankets etc in the truck if anybody would need them .
I also am building my warm up tee pee as we speak if any body gets really cold they can sit in that with a small woodburner between their legs to raise their body temp in a hurry . We used to do something like this back in the Nam ( yes we got cold after being wet for a week or so ) We used a poncho with a little dab of C4 between your feet and but . That stuff burns like a road flare .

I used this trick back in 2010 with a small Coleman lantern to warm up my buddy when he had uncontrolable shivering .


“If you dare nothing,
then when the day is over,
nothing is all you will have gained.”
― Neil Gaiman, The Graveyard Book

[OneClick]

I sure hope it's not anything like last January at this time. I don't want to unpack my shorts!

1/10/13: 41°/22°
1/11/13: 45°/35° Rain & fog
1/12/13: 57°/37° Rain

I'm still tempted to pull the trigger on a 0° Incubator, but it's a lot of money to throw down for something I don't do often (winter camping < 20°). I'll probably try my luck with my 20° +1oz.

The last time I used a pad in addition to my UQ I got some fierce condensation. So bad it woke me up thinking rain was somehow making its way down and soaking my bottom. Luckily I was car camping so I had my synthetic bag.

Other times there's no condensation at all. I've found there's really no way to predict when it will occur. Something to do with the dewpoint, body temp, humidity, etc. Unfortunately it's a gamble.

[riverjoe]

Mark I noticed this at the Deam a couple of weeks ago . The small of my back was soaked on the cheap closed cell pad .
Ive been experimenting with a sheep skin instead of a pad . A guy on another forum used to swear by those ground camping in the mountains of Yugoslavia .
It maintains loft when you lay on it . The skin part doesn't slide around and it's breathable . It weighs about 16oz tho .

I was encouraged by this mornings view . Nov. 12 and a little snow anyway . Think Ill break out the Hoosier skimmer , light snow sled .

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[OneClick]

Mark I noticed this at the Deam a couple of weeks ago . The small of my back was soaked on the cheap closed cell pad .
Ive been experimenting with a sheep skin instead of a pad . A guy on another forum used to swear by those ground camping in the mountains of Yugoslavia .
It maintains loft when you lay on it . The skin part doesn't slide around and it's breathable . It weighs about 16oz tho .

I was encouraged by this mornings view . Nov. 12 and a little snow anyway . Think Ill break out the Hoosier skimmer , light snow sled .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0291_zpscd7808ec.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0291_zpscd7808ec.jpg.html)

I love it! BTW I was home yesterday and was going to call you for a cup of coffee...but got too busy doing random things around the house. Raincheck though!

[riverjoe]

I love it! BTW I was home yesterday and was going to call you for a cup of coffee...but got too busy doing random things around the house. Raincheck though!

By all means call my friend . Can't believe we're so close ( geographically that is , I spose we could become close but that sounds a little presumptious :laugh:)

I'd like to pick your brain a little . I am lightness challenged and need to improve on that a lot .

Going to hang in the woods tonight I think and look for weak links . Not quite as cold as last night but still in the 20s .

Edit

Got lazy and just ended up on the top floor of the barn with the windows open .
Spent the night in the barn last night looking for weak links in my system . Sheep skin pad was oh so toasty but I estimated the weight wrong for sure . Closer to 3 lbs .
The sock which is not completed yet but close was phenominal . A 15 to 18 degree differance . Just used some scrap 1.1 nylon for the bottom and a snow poncho for the top .

Did not get a good condensation test because it only got down to about 33 degrees .

[riverjoe]

Well it'll soon be December so time for a list . Here are those that are committed ( as far as I know ) to the Huron Deep Freeze . If you have changed your mind please PM me and Ill remove you from the list . There are a number of guys that are partially committed but not a 100% . Ill list those as they jump in .


Our brothers from another mother
Mr.LCV
Looker
Lookers dad
redelm
AdamB
randyt
roadend

From the Hammock Forum

Michigan Hiker
Michigandave
Mark6
easygrounder
Bounder7
riverjoe
lonetracker
Taser

[OneClick]

It'll be here before we know it. Looks like a good group; some of these HF meets seem a little overwhelming with 20+ people! I'm crossing my fingers for some nice fresh snow. Last January 11th wasn't very impressive with about 2" on the ground:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist_snow.jpg

[riverjoe]

Do you have a link to that snow map ?

[OneClick]

Sure, it's a long one but you can bookmark it.

link (http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/interactive/html/map.html?ql=station&zoom=&loc=43.430+N%2C+82.739+W&var=snow_depth_shallow&dy=2013&dm=11&dd=15&dh=9&snap=1&o5=1&o6=1&o9=1&o12=1&o13=1&lbl=m&o7=1&mode=pan&extents=us&min_x=-89.858333333335&min_y=40.733333333329&max_x=-82.350000000002&max_y=47.299999999996&coord_x=++-82.739&coord_y=+++43.430&zbox_n=45.756833333329254&zbox_s=43.364690476186276&zbox_e=-83.23692187500195&zbox_w=-86.35288020833515&metric=0&bgvar=dem&shdvar=shading&palette=1&width=800&height=700&nw=800&nh=700&h_o=0&font=0&js=1&uc=0)

You'll need to update it each time since this link takes you to data for 11/15/13. Just choose the date and time you want and hit "Refresh" button on the left. Zoom in by clicking and dragging a rectangle over the area you want. Lots of other options on the left to play with too.

I find it fairly accurate. If you select a date or time in the future, it will say "..forecasted for.." at the top, so they're just estimating snow depth. I try to stay away from this. Usually you need to pick a time a few hours earlier than the current time to allow for an update to avoid that.

Very handy when you're looking for snow far from home!

[riverjoe]

I remember the 2nd week of Jan last year pretty well . We had lots of snow on the ground the previous week and them bam along came a warm rain from the gulf and destroyed it . We about sh## because we all had our gear figured for pulks . Look at me on the Kubota last year in Dec. .

Check out Hoist Lake area on Dec 31 2012 . Orange equals 12 inches . By the way I love this map .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/SNOWDEPTHDEC312012_zps5e19b136.png (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/SNOWDEPTHDEC312012_zps5e19b136.png.html)

[dieselbaron]

Oh my sounds and looks interesting hopefully ill be able to piece together some more winter kit before this

[riverjoe]

What the heck , come with what you have . You'll most likely survive , and then you'll know what you really need .

[Taser]

Oh my sounds and looks interesting hopefully ill be able to piece together some more winter kit before this

Won't need your kayak unless it functions as a sled. You could wear your kilt....but kinda chilly.

[riverjoe]

Past winter camps . 2010 . A great day followed by a miserable night .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/winterbugout%20III/IMG_0397.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/winterbugout%20III/IMG_0397.jpg.html)


http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/winterbugoutII/IMG_0368.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/winterbugoutII/IMG_0368.jpg.html)

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http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/wintersecond/IMG_0384.jpg

[Donk_67]

****! this is only a 2hr. drive from me...can't pass this up. Guess I better plan on changing my work schedule around and burning a vacation day. And get my underquilt made. Count me in.

[OneClick]

Going to request Jan. 10 off work when I go in tomorrow. Also already pulled out my "winter" pack today and going over some of my cold weather gear!

[riverjoe]

Hey Donk 67 you're in buddy . Sheesh what's with this forum not allowing editing . I guess I'll just keep publishing new list .


Well it'll soon be December so time for a list . Here are those that are committed ( as far as I know ) to the Huron Deep Freeze . If you have changed your mind please PM me and Ill remove you from the list . There are a number of guys that are partially committed but not a 100% . Ill list those as they jump in .
Mr.LCV
Looker
Lookers dad
redelm
AdamB
randyt
roadend

Taser
Lonetracker
riverjoe

Donk 67
Michigan Hiker
Mark6
easygrounder
Bounder7

[Taser]

This is going to be fun. Cold but fun.

[boulderv7]

I'm excited but a little nervous. I slept in 30 degree temps two weeks ago with 15-20 mph winds and 35mph gusts I was pushing the comfort limits of my hammock system. I want cold and snow really bad, but I also want to be warm. I might have to make a new under quilt for this trip! That wind was a heat suck from my UQ, even with my tarp pitched low. We had a good spot too, it was just so windy!

[riverjoe]

Ill tell you guys what . I have the " Boreal Beast " underquilt pretty well perfected . Its supposed to be 18 degrees and snowy Saturday night so I hope to pitch it and show pics on Sunday . This thing is so warm I may just lay in it with my speedo and no top quilt . ( no pics of that ).

Picked up a bunch of cheap stainless steel today to build the little backpackable wood burner for the rescue pod . I was working with my aluminum cook stove but as I feared the aluminum stack melted down pretty good . Stove held up well which still surprises me , but any way decided to build the Huron Hex back pack stove . This will be about my fifth tent/ tarp stove and with this one I hope to get it down under 3 pounds with stack which is about half of what my last model weighed .

Here is a pic of the aluminum stove I was going to use . This little stove saved my axe this spring when everything got wet and then turned cold .I added a chimney to it so you could angle the smoke out of the tarp . That really increased the draft and ofcourse the heat . So although it's nice and light aluminum stack just won't cut it .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/DSC00250_zps96c8dd15.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/DSC00250_zps96c8dd15.jpg.html)



I know from past experiance that the pulk/sled for me needs to be less then 50 lbs or so . So Im trying to get everything bullt and tested so I can start decideing which ounce I can't live without .

Jan 10 seems so close now . I have so much to do .

[OneClick]

Joe - A 40 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 18. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph

Sounds like a good test to me. There's a good chance the weather will be similar at Hoist Lakes in Jan. But of course it could be much worse, or shorts weather!

[canoebie]

I sure do wish it wasn't so darn far from me. Looks like a good time to be had. I am going to keep an eye on this and perhaps an impulsive decision will have me jumping in. If not, just watching the thread and planning is fun.

[riverjoe]

I sure do wish it wasn't so darn far from me. Looks like a good time to be had. I am going to keep an eye on this and perhaps an impulsive decision will have me jumping in. If not, just watching the thread and planning is fun.
Boulder was looking to carpool at one point . He's in Grand Rapids I think .

[boulderv7]

Boulder was looking to carpool at one point . He's in Grand Rapids I think .

I would love to share some driving. If its not so great weather, my car is not so great. :( I wish I had my jeep back. I am looking for a carpool though. if anybody is on the fence about going maybe that will help sway them! I'll be heading up regardless though. Can't wait.

[bmwrider]

My freind Sam (diablo45) and I may be going but I am not sure we can commit just yet, we are working on planning the time off and getting the winter hammock gear.
We have been backpacking for many years but just got into the hammock thing a few years ago so we don't have a lot of hammock gear for winter but we are trying.

[riverjoe]

My freind Sam (diablo45) and I may be going but I am not sure we can commit just yet, we are working on planning the time off and getting the winter hammock gear.
We have been backpacking for many years but just got into the hammock thing a few years ago so we don't have a lot of hammock gear for winter but we are trying.

Same with me . Been backbacking since 1968 but new to hammock. Lord help me thats a lot of the fun of it for me . Finding cheap DIY ways to survive .:D

[riverjoe]

Well the weathers cooperating thats for sure . Spent the night in the hammock last night . Tried to get out Saturday which was even better 14 with a lot of wind , but I was still working on gear . Last night it was calm for the most part and 18 degrees . At one point a breeze blew up from the bottom and my digital thermometer read 14.7 degrees . This was about 9 o clock and a quirk I believe .

Was going to post up a video but I lost my regular camera and now I have to learn this new blankity blank software .

Any way the gist of it is this . I created a monster underquilt by cutting one end off an M1949 sleeping bag and stuffing an extra couple of pounds of feather and down mixture in it . I then bought another one off of Ebay for 25 bucks . It was lighter then normal at 5 lb 6 oz because it had a patch and lost some feathers . I removed the zipper ,cut off the hood and stuffed it with a couple pounds of feathers also . These bags are rated at 14 degrees stock from the army , although supposedly with a liner and an exterior bivvy you can lower their rating .

Then I took two of the large green patrol bags from the MSS system and snapped them together to make one large bag similar to what I did at the fall BLood root shoot and eat outing . I knew that combo with an under quilt would take me to the high 20s as it was this fall . Put the double bag inside the new feather and down overquilt surrounded by the over stuffed Borea Beast under quilt .

In addition I have added a light weight under quilt protector made of salvaged nylon and then a snow poncho I had as a sock over the hammock . This sock adds 15 to 20 degrees inside the hammock ( I kid you not )

I rigged a cheap Sportsmans guide nylon tarp into a normal over the ridge line wedge but since it is so big I had plenty of fabric to rig doors on the end for wind block . I didn't rig one end that way because it was so calm and I like to hear the night noises . The local pack of yodel dogs was working my neighbors ridge last night .

The big downer is ofcourse the weight . This all weighs about 27 lbs as described with a total weight of about 55 pounds on the sled .

I set up on an exposed part of my property which I call inspiration point . It is usually about the windiest portion of my little 8 acre spread .

[OneClick]

Sounds like a good test Joe. I guess you could say we're "lucky" to have cold lows this early for testing!

I just realized water should be pretty easy to come by this trip. Even if there’s no snow to melt, I can break some chunks of ice out of the lake to boil. Actually, I much prefer that compared to snow. I think I'll use my Jetboil/chlorine dioxide if that's the case.

[riverjoe]

Man I didn't even think about melting ice . Melting snow is a royal PITA . Now I gotta bring my axe . Just what I need more weight .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0049_zps43b1e159.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0049_zps43b1e159.jpg.html)

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[OneClick]

Man I didn't even think about melting ice . Melting snow is a royal PITA . Now I gotta bring my axe . Just what I need more weight .

I think I'll bring my SOG tomahawk which is pretty light (24oz). The back end has a nice sharp point so that should be perfect for smashing ice. And of course for cutting wood.

By the way, even though I was just making fun of Accuweather's rediculously long and inaccurate forecasts in another thread, they just reached our first day:

Jan 10 2014: Snow at times, 25°/18°

I like it!

[riverjoe]

I was hoping to be lower then the Minnesota boys . Oh well

[packeagle]

I'll have to see if I can make it. Just got weekends off at work for a while.

[riverjoe]

Come on up . Couple of guys from your neck of the woods are coming .

[boulderv7]

My buddy is waiting to hear on his time off, if he gets it he's coming with me. It will be his first time hammock camping! His first time winter camping as well- I hope it gets cold and snowy! It's my first time winter hammock camping so it should be a great learning experience!

[riverjoe]

I believe that risk is a big part of life and should be embraced .

However back in 2010 a buddy of mine assumed that winter camping would be a cake walk and came down to my campsight at dark with a Walmart sleeping bag and blue jeans with a Carhart coat .

At about 3:30 in the morning I had wrapped him in an insulated poncho with a coleman single mantle lantern between his legs . He was shivering violently and was somewhat incoherent . It got down to 9 that night but there was a brisk wind and standing by the fire was not nearly enough .

I should point out I too had a miserable night because of a lack of correct gear . I promptly bought an MSS army cold weather sleep system which will keep you warm but is not the best option for everyone .

It would be a good idea to try hanging in the backyard any chance you get especially on windy nights to dial in your gear .

[boulderv7]

yeah I've spent a few nights in the cold in my hammock, nothing below 30 yet. I'm working on an UQ protector and an over cover. I've got good sleeping bags and pads for going to ground so if the hammock system isn't working I'll do that. we are going to do a test run hopefully before we go to see what needs to be addressed. if all else fails, I'll get up and hike out. I know winter camping is no joke, I've frozen my butt off a few times. Both of us are no strangers to cold, we both worked as highrise window cleaners through all four seasons. There is nothing colder than 20 stories up in the wind in the middle of winter, dipping your hands into a bucket of water that won't freeze because you've got methanol in it!

[riverjoe]

Cool . I certainly don't mean to act like I'm some kind of expert or anything . I still feel a little guilty inviting Kenny back in 2010 without prepping him a little .

You're definitely right about the high rises in winter . I had to change out a compressor on the tallest building in Fort Wayne in February one winter . It was on the chiller they used for their computer room AC . It'd be like 5 MPH down on the ground and about 5 times that much the 28th floor roof . Took me about 3 or 4 days and about a week to thaw out .

[boulderv7]

oh no worries man. I'd rather be with a few guys who care if I'm prepared than people who don't! winter camping is serious. I'm no expert by any means either. I just want to enjoy the beautiful woods in the winter! Looking forward to having some fun!

[Taser]

Alot of people seem to forget that winter is no joke. Traveling in cars with no coats and no supplies. I keep wondering if I'm taking this as seriously as I should. Planing and execution.

[packeagle]

Alot of people seem to forget that winter is no joke. Traveling in cars with no coats and no supplies. I keep wondering if I'm taking this as seriously as I should. Planing and execution.

I've done about 2 trips a winter, but they have all been car camping. I'm interested in testing myself with limited supplies and no easy bail options. For instance my two burner white gas stove is a champ car camping below freezing, but I'm not packing it two miles. Also, no extra sleeping bag and big box of layer 100 ft away in the Jeep in case I get cold.

I know what works for me, but that safety net isn't going to be as big this weekend. That puts me on edge a little.

[riverjoe]

I've done about 2 trips a winter, but they have all been car camping. I'm interested in testing myself with limited supplies and no easy bail options. For instance my two burner white gas stove is a champ car camping below freezing, but I'm not packing it two miles. Also, no extra sleeping bag and big box of layer 100 ft away in the Jeep in case I get cold.

I know what works for me, but that safety net isn't going to be as big this weekend. That puts me on edge a little.

Exactly ,and that edge is what makes it so durn cool , don't you think ?:cool:

[packeagle]

Exactly ,and that edge is what makes it so durn cool , don't you think ?:cool:

Yes it does. My point that I never actually got to is that I think that those thoughts are healthy.

[Taser]

It's making me plan an test and double check my gear. Checking weight and the sled. Just being extra careful because im hoping to not be "That Guy".

[riverjoe]

Mr LCV who lives close to our sight had lows of 0 degree and -2 in some places last night . So looking good .:):)

[OneClick]

I can't wait! I just packed up my gear to check the fit. Pretty good even with 2 under quilts which I'll bring if it's 10° or lower. Definitely shooting for just one though.

Other than that, just adding the Jetboil, hatchet, snowshoes and warmer clothes to my usual 3-season gear. I'll probably swap out the dromedary bag for bottles too.

I have my cold-weather canister stove use down to a science, so I should be OK on fuel. Bringing an extra 100g canister just in case.

[riverjoe]

I always seem to bring way too much gear . I usually end up packing about half of it back out to the truck on Fri. or Sat since in the past I could never sleep worth a whit and I'd be pretty exhausted by Sunday .

I slept outside last night down here at my sons place near Louisville in the hammock . Slept about 10 hours . This is the difference for me between hammock and ground camping . If I were ground camping like last year Id be lucky to get 3 or 4 hours .

[Taser]

Mr LCV who lives close to our sight had lows of 0 degree and -2 in some places last night . So looking good .:):)

His area tends to be a couple degrees colder than Mio area. They get lake effect and who knows what being further north. Of course this is Michigan, it could be 50 deg.

[Donk_67]

As a newbie to winter camping (tho I did hang one night in 16 degree weather), I'm looking forward to this. Just made my UQ and will be testing that in the next couple of weeks :-) It's a heavy monster that I'll only use when there's snow for pulling a sled, or car camping... I don't think it'll even fit in my backpack.

As a bail-out contingency, I'm hoping I can stage my truck within a few miles of the selected hang spot. That being said, RiverJoe can do you know the road name to the trailhead parking area?

[riverjoe]

Donk if you go back to the very first post on this thread and check out the Google earth map it will get you in the general vicinity . Then if you check out the topo map it looks like the name of the road is the Ausauble rd. Unfortunately I know the turn off of 72 is called something else . If I were on my computer Id post up a more detailed google earth map . Too bad you can't edit the first post on this forum .Ill be home in a day or too and post up a more detailed road map .

[OneClick]

As a newbie to winter camping (tho I did hang one night in 16 degree weather), I'm looking forward to this. Just made my UQ and will be testing that in the next couple of weeks :-) It's a heavy monster that I'll only use when there's snow for pulling a sled, or car camping... I don't think it'll even fit in my backpack.

As a bail-out contingency, I'm hoping I can stage my truck within a few miles of the selected hang spot. That being said, RiverJoe can do you know the road name to the trailhead parking area?

The parking closest to the Byron Lake hang area is on the west side of the Hoist Lakes area. Here's a map:

http://www.oscoda.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/hoist_trail_map.pdf

This parking lot is located right off F32, or Au Sable Rd (from the south) or Aspen Alley Rd (from the north).

On an unrelated note, I just picked up the 1.8L cup for my Jetboil SOL! Couldn't pass it up for $39!! That will make snow melting MUCH more efficient than the .8L cup.

[lonetracker]

i would expect we should have a large fire going for most of the weekend.we can also build a large potstand over the fire and have several pots continuously melting snow.i have a 1.5 gallon pot i will be bringing and a normal sized coffee pot that will be making chaga tea.if anyone has a large pot with a bail please bring it,or one of those giant old coffee pots work great.a sled is a great thing.to keep this fire going everyone should also bring a bow saw.i will be bringing my trusty 30in.swedish surpluss bowsaw.on the same note i believe the prime criteria for picking a campsite should be lots of available hardwood nearby,followed by lots of good hammock hanging trees of course.

[riverjoe]

I've got some giant old steel pots and a large aluminum one . 24 inch bow saw .


Checking Byron lake for hardwood stands . Anybody know how to change google earth to winter . They'd show up then , I still am resolved to hang in the pines however , I might have to be a couple hundred yards from the fire lol .

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[Donk_67]

The parking closest to the Byron Lake hang area is on the west side of the Hoist Lakes area. Here's a map:

http://www.oscoda.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/hoist_trail_map.pdf

This parking lot is located right off F32, or Au Sable Rd (from the south) or Aspen Alley Rd (from the north).

On an unrelated note, I just picked up the 1.8L cup for my Jetboil SOL! Couldn't pass it up for $39!! That will make snow melting MUCH more efficient than the .8L cup.

Perfect! That's the info I was seeking and didn't see in the first couple of posts.

[OneClick]

I'll be in the red pines if I can find any! You can choose different years in google earth, some may be in the spring or winter. Not sure though since I'm at work now. Also, Bing maps sometimes shows a different time of year than google. I often use both for that reason.

Also going pretty lightweight with my Jetboil, but melting snow with a fire for anyone that doesn't have the gear sounds like a good idea. But let's try and keep this LNT as possible (trying not to sound like a yuppie treehugger :))

[Taser]

For those of us that are acronymically challenged what LNT? 44.655 -83.8382 Parking Lot

[riverjoe]

My guess is LNT means " leave no trace " which I think we're all cool with . Burning dead wood has never been high impact in my book since Im sure there is plenty of organic material in pine needles and leaves .
My personal preferance would be to camp as primitively as possible which could mean pine bough shelters and the whole bit . Im just not tough enough to handle sleeping by a fire with wool blanket anymore ( not sure I was ever tough enough ) .

Also I believe in following the rules which are no saplings being cut down or the like ( well maybe one little diseased sapling or better yet take one trunk of a double trunk )

I did a year of " leave no trace " in the infantry . We couldn't burn wood mainly because the smoke would give away our position , but we also buried all trash , filled in all foxholes etc . Not sure why that was our policy , if it was leave beautiful Annamite mountains as we found them or more likely don't leave a trail .

[OneClick]

Yeah, it's fine to burn it when it's "brown and down". No biggie. I guess my concern with any large group is beating the place down to make a "base camp" and ruining it for anyone coming by later on (trash, unburnt chopped wood, cleared ground, etc). Not that we would do that...but like I said, just my concern since I see it all the time as I hike.

[packeagle]

There is a fire ring at the Byron lake site. It has a grill that swings out over the fire, if I remember correctly. It is also unfortunately already kind of trampled down, IMO. I think it's because its so close to the parking it gets heavy use. In any case, if we keep the fire in the ring and burn dead and downed wood, I don't think anyone will have a problem on the LNT front.

[riverjoe]

Here are the rules . No public nudity " oh maaaaan " . Also camping anywhere ,as long as you're 200 ft from water . Otherwise on waters edge you have to use the designated sight .


http://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/hmnf/null/recarea/?recid=18798&actid=44

[Taser]

I can live with that. Good way to go, LNT. 44.655 -83.8382 Parking Lot

[riverjoe]

Getting the winter shelter dialled in . Takes about 10 minutes to set up . Ofcourse Louisville isn't much of a test .



Set up my own little guest bedroom down at my sons place in greater Louisville over the holiday weekend



http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0065_zpscf5ed0e5.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0065_zpscf5ed0e5.jpg.html)

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0066_zps4bfa7c96.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0066_zps4bfa7c96.jpg.html)

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0068_zpsbdf6c5fd.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0068_zpsbdf6c5fd.jpg.html)
Wake me when the turkeys done .
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[TZBrown]

I have been watching this for a bit and with everything I have going, and the FBH in MN right after.
I probably should not, but I am known for pushing it a bit, so am going to put it on the calendar and see what the reaction is from the boss ;)
If nothing nuclear happens :lol: I will be there also

It will make a great "warm up practice" for the FBH :D

TZ

[riverjoe]

I doubt we'll get to -15 TZ but it could get cold .

[OneClick]

Looks like a cozy setup there Joe!

I know it's stupid-early to look at the weather, but I like to do it anyway. Let's come back in 40 days and see how close this was. I like it so far!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist_wx.jpg

[riverjoe]

Hoping for " squeaky snow " you northern guys know what I mean . Each step you take the snow goes " orrreeeee orrreeee " . Just checking that on google and it happens about 14 fahrenheit .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/winterbugoutII/IMG_0368.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/winterbugoutII/IMG_0368.jpg.html)

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/winterbugoutII/IMG_0369.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/winterbugoutII/IMG_0369.jpg.html)

[Donk_67]

Looks like a cozy setup there Joe!

I know it's stupid-early to look at the weather, but I like to do it anyway. Let's come back in 40 days and see how close this was. I like it so far!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist_wx.jpg

Yep. That seems to be the average and Mio is just outside of the traditional snow belt area...so I'll predict 6-8 inches on the ground....of course winter has a way of throwing average aside.

[Redoleary]

Riverjoe, is that a large ALICE bag on a regular external frame? How's it ride?

[riverjoe]

Love the external frame since that s what I carried back in 68 on my year long backpack adventure . I bought that pack at a garage sale and used the straps etc to replace my worn out alice I bought back in about 1971 . Plenty of room for all the soft stuff to go in the MSS stuff sack and still more room on top for pad or something on top .

Gets a little much when you add the shelter in a bag , but doable .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0060_zpsb7378ec3.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0060_zpsb7378ec3.jpg.html)

[Redoleary]

Pretty cool, looks like quite the load there.

[riverjoe]

Pretty cool, looks like quite the load there.

Should be snow the next time I use it . so the stuff sack and "shelter in a bag "go on a sled . I carry the food in my alice pack so that it forces me to bring only what I need instead of the whole pantry like I've done in the past .

[lonetracker]

I have been watching this for a bit and with everything I have going, and the FBH in MN right after.
I probably should not, but I am known for pushing it a bit, so am going to put it on the calendar and see what the reaction is from the boss ;)
If nothing nuclear happens :lol: I will be there also

It will make a great "warm up practice" for the FBH :D

TZ

will be good to see you TZ.on your side of the lake for a change.

[TZBrown]

will be good to see you TZ.on your side of the lake for a change.

You making the trek south, kind of sealed the deal:laugh:

The following week I pass by your neck of the woods

[riverjoe]

Interesting thing . I notice the map from Hoist Lake area and parking area shows the trail skirting Carp lake . http://www.oscoda.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/hoist_trail_map.pdf

and the topo map showing what appears to be an easier flatter trail or abandoned road to Byron lake . It would star further south down Ausauble road instead of at the parking area however .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/byronlake_zps3d936e77.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/byronlake_zps3d936e77.jpg.html)

[lonetracker]

Interesting thing . I notice the map from Hoist Lake area and parking area shows the trail skirting Carp lake . http://www.oscoda.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/hoist_trail_map.pdf

and the topo map showing what appears to be an easier flatter trail or abandoned road to Byron lake . It would star further south down Ausauble road instead of at the parking area however .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/byronlake_zps3d936e77.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/byronlake_zps3d936e77.jpg.html)

hmm Joe looking at google earth i would say the first third of that route is young pine plantation.the next third or so is maybe young popplar regrowth(the combination of these two is normally a great spot to find snowshoe rabbits) the old road may peter out about a quarter mile from the lake but looks doable. useing this trail may hinge on if there is parking there or its not plowed for parking.

[riverjoe]

You guys do the shootin Ill do the cookin . Don't want to spring for out of state hunting . Fishing I normally get anyway for my little camping lot on the St. Joseph ( $34 bucks ), but I don't hunt up there .

[Donk_67]

Just FYI, Mio Michigan was a balmy six degrees this morning.

[riverjoe]

Just FYI, Mio Michigan was a balmy six degrees this morning.

Cool , Im getting the northern latitude attitude . Working out in the yard today without long johns :scared: trying to acclimate my soft mushy body to the cold .

[OneClick]

Too bad most of the snow in MI was wiped out recently. But it's cold again and hopefully it starts piling up!

[riverjoe]

Well according to your snow map . ...2 to 4 inches at Hoist lake . As long as no big warming trend there ought to be something . Ofcourse even below freezing it can sublimate away on sunny days but lets hope for more base .

[OneClick]

Well according to your snow map . ...2 to 4 inches at Hoist lake . As long as no big warming trend there ought to be something . Ofcourse even below freezing it can sublimate away on sunny days but lets hope for more base .

Updated since the 2AM map I was pulling up today. Moving in the right direction!

[Squirrel bait]

If I can walk I am up for it. I need knee surgery, won't know till dec 11th when it will be.

[riverjoe]

If I can walk I am up for it. I need knee surgery, won't know till dec 11th when it will be.

Great . Id like to pick your brain about a sight around Gaylord for next year . Always looks like a ton of snow up there .

[riverjoe]

Ordered tire chains . Probabley be a couple of feet of snow . Yeah right .

[tcad]

wish i could go cant drive

[riverjoe]

I really like playing with Mark6s snow map . Check out Ft Wayne Mark . An island of green in a sea of 2 to 8 inch snow just like you said . Hoping to get a tiny bit more for my camp trip deep into the backyard tonight .

[OneClick]

I really like playing with Mark6s snow map . Check out Ft Wayne Mark . An island of green in a sea of 2 to 8 inch snow just like you said . Hoping to get a tiny bit more for my camp trip deep into the backyard tonight .

HAHA so unfair! But we're finally getting a little today. Unfortunately the same goes for the Hoist Lakes area - dry with everyone else in northern MI covered. Less than 30 days to get a nice base. Come on snow!

I start to check the map almost daily this time of year for Michigan, planning out my next trip. I may end up doing a quick weekend near Grayling sometime if the snow doesn't cooperate for our trip.

p.s. Don't forget to bring some cash. The fee is $5/day per vehicle. It's the usual self-service pay "tube" so bring exact change!

[riverjoe]

HAHA so unfair! But we're finally getting a little today. Unfortunately the same goes for the Hoist Lakes area - dry with everyone else in northern MI covered. Less than 30 days to get a nice base. Come on snow!

I start to check the map almost daily this time of year for Michigan, planning out my next trip. I may end up doing a quick weekend near Grayling sometime if the snow doesn't cooperate for our trip.

p.s. Don't forget to bring some cash. The fee is $5/day per vehicle. It's the usual self-service pay "tube" so bring exact change!

Hurried out and tested the Hoosier skimmer with a 35 pound load . The rickshaw is not part of it . Pulled really easy http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0087_zps33671302.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0087_zps33671302.jpg.html)

[Taser]

Great . Id like to pick your brain about a sight around Gaylord for next year . Always looks like a ton of snow up there .

Pigeon river country....or head for lvc's back yard. Vienna Corners north to PRC.

[TZBrown]

Lots of great areas near Gaylord

Graves Crossing (http://www.michigandnr.com/parksandtrails/Details.aspx?id=609&type=SFCG) right off M66
Pinney Bridge (http://www.michigandnr.com/parksandtrails/details.aspx?id=610&type=SFCG), might not be a drive in to that, depending on snow
Park at the fish hatchery (http://www.fws.gov/midwest/jordanriver/) off 131 and cross the back fence to quite an area along the Jordan River Pathway (http://northcountrytrail.org/trail/states/michigan/explore-by-section/jordanvalley45-chapter/jordan-river-pathway-loop-hike/)

Pigeon River SFCG (http://www.michigandnr.com/parksandtrails/details.aspx?id=638&type=SFCG)

Thats only a few, I can quickly recall

[riverjoe]

This is what I like about Gaylord . Every time I check the snow map there's a big spot there . tan equals 8 to 10 and orange 10 to 12 .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/snowgaylord_zpsf219cea5.png (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/snowgaylord_zpsf219cea5.png.html)

[OneClick]

^^ need to fill in those white spots! ^^

Really hoping for a nice base, plus a good 4"+ of fresh snow right before our trip.

[Taser]

Cold and crunchy snow today....am I really doing this? Going to be a blast.

[lonetracker]

for those of you who can not wait and need a snow fix maybe some of these vids i shot will help.
this one just shows the incredible amounts of snow at my girls place in negaunee mi.
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me sledding off of my girlfriends roof.turn up the volume a bit to hear me whimpering as i go thru the woods.

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my girl and i playing in 4 ft of snow with and without snoweshoes.
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lots of heay breathing pulling my sled into a winter camp last year
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[riverjoe]

Boreas Greek God of the North wind and Khiones Goddess of snow .

I definitely think you are qualified as "Master of Snow" including removal , packing , trailbreaking and melting .

[TZBrown]

Thanks for the show Bill, That was great.

Most don't really know how hard it is to pull a pulk and get through unbroken trail in the winter.

Sure hope we get some like that down here this year

[CamoEvo]

I wish I could make this, but I have already committed to crew for a rally team at Sno*Drift (Rally America rally cars) in Atlanta Mi., 24th and 25th of January. I'm also on the "other forum". AND I've ordered a 0* full length UQ from Underground quilts, can't wait!

You want snow? This is my car last year, 2 blocks from my house. Lake Superior is on the other side of that snow bank.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/11362404845_fe805e2ac7_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/11362404845/)
DSCN2460 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/11362404845/) by U.P. Evo8 (http://www.flickr.com/people/62452462@N07/), on Flickr

My car now in desert camo, next to Ken Block's car at Lake Superior Performance Rally a couple months ago.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3746/10466189906_2faf4354e9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/10466189906/)
DSCN3059 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/10466189906/) by U.P. Evo8 (http://www.flickr.com/people/62452462@N07/), on Flickr

Have fun guys, be safe!

[TZBrown]

Some neat photos in you photostream.
Outriggers on the pulk..... Camping on the high point.....Turbo's and intercoolers.... COOL

[CamoEvo]

I bought used downhill ski's at a St. Vincent DePaul store for $2, spent $18 on s.s. hardware, and came up with this.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8335/8438368131_78a4e484d8_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/8438368131/)
DSCN2432 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/8438368131/) by U.P. Evo8 (http://www.flickr.com/people/62452462@N07/), on Flickrhttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8217/8438367955_bf1f95663b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/8438367955/)
DSCN2433 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/8438367955/) by U.P. Evo8 (http://www.flickr.com/people/62452462@N07/), on Flickrhttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8186/8438367725_f2aa76ac4a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/8438367725/)
DSCN2434 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/8438367725/) by U.P. Evo8 (http://www.flickr.com/people/62452462@N07/), on Flickrhttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8187/8438367481_9c1fbe2afc_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/8438367481/)
DSCN2435 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62452462@N07/8438367481/) by U.P. Evo8 (http://www.flickr.com/people/62452462@N07/), on Flickr

I was having difficulty with it tipping over in my snowshoe tracks, now it won't tip over even going over snow banks. I made it so I can detach the skis to fit it in the trunk of my car.

[riverjoe]

That's just weird . I bought my skis a St Vs also . I was thinking Goodwill but it was St V. D.P for sure . I paid about 2 for mine cause one of the bindings was broken .

I remenber seeing that car of yours . Must have been on the other forum .

My problem was the extremely light snowfalls we get sometimes I wanted something that would skim the frost if necessary and it actually does that pretty well .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0100-1.jpg

New snow map . That shade of red = 4 to 6 . About the same we have in Northern Indiana buy I bet they don't get the warm snaps up there that we do . Snow only has to last a measely 27 days .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/snowdec14_zps2ab23b0c.png (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/snowdec14_zps2ab23b0c.png.html)

[Taser]

Now ya have me wondering if the old kids sled will work for this. Saw some wider deeper ones a meijers. Shappell? guess I could check them out but they are also heavier.

[dougalcorn]

Ive been experimenting with a sheep skin instead of a pad . A guy on another forum used to swear by those ground camping in the mountains of Yugoslavia .

It maintains loft when you lay on it . The skin part doesn't slide around and it's breathable . It weighs about 16oz tho .


Do you have a source on this? I'd be interested in trying it.

[riverjoe]

You can buy them on Ebay pretty cheap . I mis weighed mine pretty badly . It was closer to 3 pounds . I have changed out my cozy pad to a wool snuggie I think its called . It is basically a bag with a zipper to put over your legs at a hockey game or something . It only weighs about 1.5 pounds . If I wasn't hiking a couple of miles ID definitely prefer the sheepskin tho .

[riverjoe]

Now ya have me wondering if the old kids sled will work for this. Saw some wider deeper ones a meijers. Chappell? guess I could check them out but they are also heavier.

Mine is not light at about 20 pounds , but I think it's worth it for the easy gliding it does . The bottom is slightly curved and smooth so it can act as a conventional pulk if the snow is real soft or something and the skis sink a bit .

[OneClick]

Current map shows us flirting with 8-10" range in parts of Hoist Lakes area! Looks like temps will stay pretty cold but not a lot of snow through this week.

Still too far away from an accurate forecast, but the confidence will only get better. I like this so far!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist_wx.jpg

[riverjoe]

Testing the Extreme Cold Camper Rescue Pod



http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0129_zps4cca58cf.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0129_zps4cca58cf.jpg.html)http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0131_zps72d88ca7.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0131_zps72d88ca7.jpg.html)

About 35 minutes to fire .
http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0142_zps3e54b7bd.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0142_zps3e54b7bd.jpg.html)

Ready to warm up that frozen bushcrafter or melt some snow or both .


http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/IMG_0146_zpsf715311b.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/IMG_0146_zpsf715311b.jpg.html)

[OneClick]

Looking good Joe! This is going to be a lot of fun. I keep checking the weather - they changed it from 6° at night to 16° but who knows what will happen. Up to 10-12" of snow in the area.

I went snowshoeing around here the other day just to make sure everything is good to go.

[lonetracker]

i think the best part of this trip is going to be perusing Riverjoes homemade stuff.that warm up pod looks neat you could also place a few hot rocks in it and we could be taking sauna's in da wood.

[riverjoe]

Sauna ... thats where you run out and roll in the snow naked after heating yourself to about 130 degrees right .( I don't think so )

The sad part is with all these contraptions Im still about 40 pounds lighter then last year .

Here is updated list . If you can't make it , please PM me and Ill remove your name or if you commit let us know and Ill add it .

Rough . Probabley some will drop out depending on temps on the 10th , but pretty good turnout .

Latest list .

Here are those that are committed ( as far as I know ) to the Huron Deep Freeze . If you have changed your mind please PM me and Ill remove you from the list . There are a number of guys that are partially committed but not a 100% . Ill list those as they jump in .
Mr.LCV
Looker
redelm
randyt
AdamB
Kayak
NJWHN95
Taser
Lonetracker
riverjoe

Donk 7
Michigan Hiker
Mark6
easygrounder
Bounder7
TZ Brown

[riverjoe]

Just wondering about road conditions to the west Hoist Lake parking lot . Mapquesting Mio to Oscoda gives the first option as the River road which should take us right past the parking lot or real close to it , so it must be plowed wouldn't you think ?

Vulture if you're still lurking out there . I wonder if I could talk you into a road report on about the 7th or 8th .

[TZBrown]

The N/S road on the west side is a paved road and is plowed.
The parking lot / trailhead is usually plowed, as that is a cross country ski area.

[riverjoe]

Well if we can get to the parking lot were cool . Im bringing my 3/4 ton 4X4 with sand bags , chains and a tow strap if anyone were to get stuck in the parking lot .

[OneClick]

Well if we can get to the parking lot were cool . Im bringing my 3/4 ton 4X4 with sand bags , chains and a tow strap if anyone were to get stuck in the parking lot .

Much appreciated Joe! Looks like another 3-6" of fresh snow is on the way this weekend. That will put us over a foot. With temps staying cold I think we're going to have a nice base on this trip.

[packeagle]

Freezing rain here... Hope its snow up there.

ETA: Just checked the weather looks like it is snow.

[riverjoe]

Freezing rain here... Hope its snow up there.

ETA: Just checked the weather looks like it is snow.

weather now http://www.bing.com/weather/search?q=mio%20michigan%20weather%20now&unit=F&qpvt=mio+michigan+weather+now&FORM=DTPWEA

This is exactly why us Northern Indiana boys are driveing up to 45 degrees north latitude this winter . Exact same thing happened last winter . About 10 inches of snow on the ground . A week before our winter outing a warm rainy weather pattern moved in and wiped out all the snow . This followed by an Alberta clipper bringing single digit temps so we needed all our gear with no snow for our pulks . Luckily we got about an inch or two the night of the campout so all was good but like I said LUCK .

[Taser]

This is Michigan wait 5 min. the weather will change.

[OneClick]

2" snow, then maybe some mixed precip. Then more snow Sunday. Then COLD. I LIKE IT!

[Squirrel bait]

Great . Id like to pick your brain about a sight around Gaylord for next year . Always looks like a ton of snow up there .


I am going to have to back out. I have surgery on January 2nd. Don't think I will be up for the hike. All that has been posted so far for around the Gaylord area is about all I know of at this point. I just started this journey earlier this year.

Happy Hangin'

Aaron

[riverjoe]

Sorry to hear that buddy . Probabley be nice to have a working knee tho . They chase you out and have you exerciseing pretty quickly now a days but 8 days sounds a little close .

[Squirrel bait]

Ya I'm enjoying the time off work but I get bored. Hence all my time here on the forum. Just glad I'm getting reintroduced to tying knots and learning new methods. Even broke out my moms old thread injection machine. Hopefully get good enough to make something's to keep me occupied.
Been out of work since the beginning of October. Glad it happened at work and it's all covered. Of all things had a tree come down and hit me.
Hopefully we will get to see some pictures and a few videos.
Happy Hangin'

Aaron

[Squirrel bait]

As of now the Gaylord area has around 80" of snow fall this season with 5 to 8 forecasted for tomorrow. Hope this holds up.

[riverjoe]

Holy Moly that's a bunch of snow . Hoist lake nothing like that but holding up pretty well . I see next 10 days has at least some chance of snow every day . I was going to practice with the snow shoes a bit but as of today only remnants of the 9 inches we had are left . Always have some snow down in the river bottom all winter so guess I'll go down there and tromp around in the slush .

[Vulture]

Just wondering about road conditions to the west Hoist Lake parking lot . Mapquesting Mio to Oscoda gives the first option as the River road which should take us right past the parking lot or real close to it , so it must be plowed wouldn't you think ?

Vulture if you're still lurking out there . I wonder if I could talk you into a road report on about the 7th or 8th .

I'll try to drive the West lot road then and provide a report.

[Donk_67]

Holy Moly that's a bunch of snow . Hoist lake nothing like that but holding up pretty well . I see next 10 days has at least some chance of snow every day . I was going to practice with the snow shoes a bit but as of today only remnants of the 9 inches we had are left . Always have some snow down in the river bottom all winter so guess I'll go down there and tromp around in the slush .

I tried a little snow shoeing today -20" of powder turned trail breaking into quite a workout. Also tried to test hang my heavy-as-sin DIY UQ...not sure if I gave it a fair test because I made the mistake of bringing along my stubby-legged Beagle mix and he got cold waiting for me to set things up and try to hang for awhile. Of course I had to pick a raging storm to do all this in :shades: I didn't have time to properly warm up my feet and hands before I tried hanging...but I've got a few concerns about the readiness of my equipment to take me into the teens + whatever windchill is.

I might have to back out of this trip, because I don't want to be "that guy" who needs help. But even if I don't camp, I might come for a meet and greet Saturday afternoon and hopefully garner a bit more info on cold weather hanging.

[riverjoe]

I think one of the main goals of these winter campouts are to test your gear and your cold weather tolerance while surrounded by helpful likewise crazy people .

Im looking forward to my first really cold hammock experiance . Our spring outing turned into sort of a winter outing but that really didn't count . I don't think anyone would judge "that guy" . Im filling my truck up with extra gear like MSS sleeping bag , wool blankets, mickey mouse boots etc for any that might need them .

Ive got about 4 winter campouts under my belt as a ground dweller and I learn something on every one . I think it's going to be a really beutiful spot with over 1 foot of snow and all those pines and hills .


I have come to believe if your equipment is marginal the hot water bottles in your foot box etc will see you thru . I have made a bag to store extra metal water bottles in after there heated up (altho Ive never needed more then one ). I have trouble getting my long skinny feet to warm up a footbox and with the water bottle giving just that little boost it makes all the differance .

Also Im bringing my Extreme Cold Camper rescue pod for anyone who gets chilled or just wants to relax in a woomblike setting .

[riverjoe]

Be careful what you wish for . Latest snow map shows this particular shade of green = 20 inches . Not much chance of melting ( in fact no chance ) before the 10th .

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/2013decsnow_zpsa04a4cdf.png (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/2013decsnow_zpsa04a4cdf.png.html)

[OneClick]

I'm liking that map more and more each day!

I really hope they back these temps down to mid-20s for a high, but this is still acceptable:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/curran_122313.jpg

Still a ways out, so expect changes.

[riverjoe]

Ewwue I don't care for that much . I like squeaky snow . Be great packing for an igloo tho .

[Taser]

This is going to be interesting. I'm more worried about the hike in than sleeping warm. With that much snow it's going to be a pain. Hope the old snow shoes hold up and someone has broken a trail. Tested the alky stove to double check as heat if needed. Saws good to go. Mother nature gave me some wood to test them on.

[riverjoe]

This is going to be interesting. I'm more worried about the hike in than sleeping warm. With that much snow it's going to be a pain. Hope the old snow shoes hold up and someone has broken a trail. Tested the alky stove to double check as heat if needed. Saws good to go. Mother nature gave me some wood to test them on.

Let's just hope it's not some broken down old guy trying to break trail . Sure hope somebody else is arriveing Thur .:scared:

[indiver]

Hi everyone, I've never done more than a one nighter in the winter so I've never had to worry about water. Will I have any problem using my Katadyn Hiker Pro or should I plan on boiling snow for all my water. This sounds like the group to ask. I am planning on going on the North Country trail Manistee River loop after Christmas. Thansk, Mike.

[BackpackerGuy]

Will I have any problem using my Katadyn Hiker Pro or should I plan on boiling snow for all my water. This sounds like the group to ask. I am planning on going on the North Country trail Manistee River loop after Christmas. Thansk, Mike.

Winter and cold temps bring special consideration for water filtration. Most filters have warnings that the filter cartridges / housing body can break if they get frozen. If that happens, you can probably kiss your filter good-bye.

My recommendation: use it as infrequently as possible, filter as much water as you can each time, fill bottles and pots, etc. shake excess water out of the filter cartridge as much as possible, pump air thru it to expel as much water as you can.

Then keep it as warm as possible. This may mean carrying it inside a shirt or jacket pocket to allow your body heat keep it from freezing. Wrap it in a sock, hat, glove, or shirt at night and throw it in the bottom of your footbox, or stash it next to your body, to keep it warm overnight.

I'll be on the MRT early January for a weekend trip!

[riverjoe]

Im leaving the water filter home so I don't run the risk of breaking it . All of N. Michigan seems to have 10 to 20 inches of snow right now . We're not hiking to speak of tho so we have time to complete that time consuming task of melting snow .YMMV .

[OneClick]

Let's just hope it's not some broken down old guy trying to break trail . Sure hope somebody else is arriveing Thur .:scared:

Joe, I'm an expert trail-breaker :) I work Thursday but plan on leaving around 5:00PM. Should arrive at 10:30PM or so with a stop so I'm sure you'll beat me there. I love hiking in the dark, especially when there's snow! I'll plan on hiking for about 1 hour then set up just for the night.

Do we have an exact spot chosen yet? Somewhere near Byron Lake is the last I heard. If so, I may just hump it until I get to camp whether that ends up being midnight or 2am.

[OneClick]

Hi everyone, I've never done more than a one nighter in the winter so I've never had to worry about water. Will I have any problem using my Katadyn Hiker Pro or should I plan on boiling snow for all my water. This sounds like the group to ask. I am planning on going on the North Country trail Manistee River loop after Christmas. Thansk, Mike.

Hey Mike. Personally I'd leave the filter at home due to freezing. Melting snow can be discouraging since the payout is pretty weak. Depending on the moisture content (10:1, 20:1, etc) you can fill your pot and end up with just a few ounces at the bottom. But it works.

I plan on breaking chunks of ice out of the lake. It can take a little longer to melt, but you come out ahead with a lot more water for less work. You can throw some chemical treatment in afterwards if you don't want to wait for a full boil to disinfect. This saves fuel.

[riverjoe]

Joe, I'm an expert trail-breaker :) I work Thursday but plan on leaving around 5:00PM. Should arrive at 10:30PM or so with a stop so I'm sure you'll beat me there. I love hiking in the dark, especially when there's snow! I'll plan on hiking for about 1 hour then set up just for the night.

Do we have an exact spot chosen yet? Somewhere near Byron Lake is the last I heard. If so, I may just hump it until I get to camp whether that ends up being midnight or 2am.

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/2013campsight_zpsefa09ad6.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/2013campsight_zpsefa09ad6.jpg.html)

Mark ,
As far as the campsight goes I would prefer anything except the designated one . I hate those Michigan fire rings . So the campsight must be off trail according to the rules and not on the waters edge .

Checking out the topo , assumeing there is going to be a cold westerly wind I would initially check out that area on the north side of the lake adjacent to the swamp . If the temps are mild and not much wind maybe we want to shoot for Puuurrrdy on the south side of the lake . Looking for a clearing big enough for a fire and some area around the fire for those guys setting up super shelters .

So in a nutshell " I don't know "

[OneClick]

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/2013campsight_zpsefa09ad6.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/2013campsight_zpsefa09ad6.jpg.html)

Mark ,
As far as the campsight goes I would prefer anything except the designated one . I hate those Michigan fire rings . So the campsight must be off trail according to the rules and not on the waters edge .

Checking out the topo , assumeing there is going to be a cold westerly wind I would initially check out that area on the north side of the lake adjacent to the swamp . If the temps are mild and not much wind maybe we want to shoot for Puuurrrdy on the south side of the lake . Looking for a clearing big enough for a fire and some area around the fire for those guys setting up super shelters .

So in a nutshell " I don't know "

Yeah, definitely no fire ring site littered with trash. Last time I was there someone left a fire going, trash everywhere, and basically "paved" the area with beaten down earth and not a single twig within 100'. Not my style. We need to get into a nice secluded area in the woods!

Here's where I camped in the fall north of Byron. A little under the "1" in the 15 of your map.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist_byron.jpg

It was pretty hilly and thick as you can see. I don't recall any nice open areas but I think we can find something a little to the west looking at that topo.

I guess we can figure it out better once we get there. I'll set up Thursday night, but plan on moving to find/meet in the group camp Friday if necessary.

At this point, I'll head for something near 44.645529,-83.818538 Thursday night.

[3club]

Howdy all! I was just recently given a heads up on this outing. I'd like to commit, but I'm going to be just getting back from out of state, so we'll see.

Any talk of carpooling? I see a bunch of you are from the south. I'm in Battle Creek. There's a carpool lot in Marshall, close to the intersection of I-94 and I-69. My ride is an old Town Car, not made for off-road adventures. Lots of space to get folks close, but if the parking lot isn't plowed, I'd be in trouble.

Hey Vampire, are you still thinking about this? Carpool from my sister's?

I think someone if GR was also asking. Boulder perhaps? Sorry, don't remember for sure.

[OneClick]

OOOOO it's looking chilly! Just updated:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist_122413.jpg

High possibility I'll be stacking UQs!

[3club]

OOOOO it's looking chilly! Just updated:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist_122413.jpg

High possibility I'll be stacking UQs!

Those numbers look all positive to me. That's good, because all I have is my summer hammock, and my summer hiking boots. But I do have a big heavy synthetic slumberjack bag.

I have a new 3L hydration bladder on order. I'm going to try wearing my water under my clothes, even in bed. We'll see how that works.

[Wolverine]

Those numbers look all positive to me. That's good, because all I have is my summer hammock, and my summer hiking boots. But I do have a big heavy synthetic slumberjack bag.

I have a new 3L hydration bladder on order. I'm going to try wearing my water under my clothes, even in bed. We'll see how that works.

Interested in your stacking strategy.

[3club]

Interested in your stacking strategy.

Ha, me too! If it comes in in time, and if I have time to figure out a way to make it work comfortably. Of course I'll need to test it out at home first.

I also won't bring any stakes or be tied down to the ground or snow, just the two tree straps. I got tired of tripping over guy lines a long time ago.

But I'm seriously considering picking up a cheap pair of pak boots. My old ones are all cracked and falling apart.

[riverjoe]

Howdy all! I was just recently given a heads up on this outing. I'd like to commit, but I'm going to be just getting back from out of state, so we'll see.

Any talk of carpooling? I see a bunch of you are from the south. I'm in Battle Creek. There's a carpool lot in Marshall, close to the intersection of I-94 and I-69. My ride is an old Town Car, not made for off-road adventures. Lots of space to get folks close, but if the parking lot isn't plowed, I'd be in trouble.

Hey Vampire, are you still thinking about this? Carpool from my sister's?

I think someone if GR was also asking. Boulder perhaps? Sorry, don't remember for sure.

3 CLUB . Ill be blowing thru Marshal but Im leaveing Thur. AM . On the other forum a fellow from Battle Creek just committed, Ill PM him if you're interested . Also on the other forum a fellow just volunteered to bring his snow plow if the lot needs to be plowed .

[3club]

Really! I always suspected there was more than one crazy person in Battle Creek! lol

Yes, I'm interested. I'm still not 100% sure I'll be able to make it, but assuming I am, I'd welcome the ride.

So are you going up a day early to secure us a spot?

[riverjoe]

LOL yeah I've heard it could be pretty crowded .

[3club]

Merry Christmas everyone!

[riverjoe]

Yeah, definitely no fire ring site littered with trash. Last time I was there someone left a fire going, trash everywhere, and basically "paved" the area with beaten down earth and not a single twig within 100'. Not my style. We need to get into a nice secluded area in the woods!

Here's where I camped in the fall north of Byron. A little under the "1" in the 15 of your map.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist_byron.jpg

It was pretty hilly and thick as you can see. I don't recall any nice open areas but I think we can find something a little to the west looking at that topo.

I guess we can figure it out better once we get there. I'll set up Thursday night, but plan on moving to find/meet in the group camp Friday if necessary.

At this point, I'll head for something near 44.645529,-83.818538 Thursday night.

I like the look of your sight . More of a slope to the lake then I would have thought from the topo .
I notice on the map right at the top of the 5 http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/riverjoe47/2013campsight_zpsefa09ad6.jpg (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/riverjoe47/media/2013campsight_zpsefa09ad6.jpg.html)

there is a small draw or valley overlooking the swamp . The scenery would definitely not be as nice but it might be a good place for a sheltering fire out of the wind . Do any of your magic weather sights predict the wind speed ? That could be the differance on a cold night as you probabley know .

[Taser]

Mark if those co-ords are good that looks good should put us out of the wind and wood to burn in the area. Some guys will need wood for frames to ground hog it. Guess I may head up Thursday.

[boulderv7]

Well, it wouldn't be the holidays if something didn't go as planned.... I have to unfortunately drop out of this trip. Due to the ice storm we had last Friday and Saturday, one of my family Christmas gatherings was canceled and rescheduled for....you guessed it, the weekend of this trip. I'm not really complaining because I understand why it had to be done and I love getting together with this part of the Fam, but it is disapointing. I will be at the hang in Ludington though!

[riverjoe]

Sorry to hear that Bounder . I've seen other comments on that ice storm , must have been a killer . We missed it all down in the tropics .

[3club]

I figure camping and being without power are the same thing. I like to think of myself as a homeless person in training.

[Donk_67]

Well, I'm still in as long as projected lows stay above 0...would be more comfortable with a low in the teens. I understand cannister stoves don't work so well in the cold, so I assembled a soda can stove today...can't wait until wally world opens back up so I can get some alcohol and test the stove. I might build one with a little bit stouter material though, the aluminum in diet coke cans is really thin.

Merry Christmas Hammock Forum members!

[Donk_67]

I figure camping and being without power are the same thing. I like to think of myself as a homeless person in training.

3club, I noticed the encampment in BC by the river on Thanksgiving...I'm not sure if anyone was hanging in a hammock but there were quite a few tarps there.

[3club]

I was just told a couple hours ago that they were driven out. They've been there a couple years I think.

[riverjoe]

Well, I'm still in as long as projected lows stay above 0...would be more comfortable with a low in the teens. I understand cannister stoves don't work so well in the cold, so I assembled a soda can stove today...can't wait until wally world opens back up so I can get some alcohol and test the stove. I might build one with a little bit stouter material though, the aluminum in diet coke cans is really thin.

Merry Christmas Hammock Forum members!
Always get an esbit stove from the army surplus stores . Usually about $5 around here with about 10 tabs . A little odiferous but they always work and you can augment them with sticks etc .

[Taser]

I used a monster can and a small paint can for my alcohol stove. Works like a charm. 12 to 15 min. burn on 2 oz. of heet. Give or take a few. Heats a canteen cup to a boil. Takes more if melting snow.

[3club]

3club, I noticed the encampment in BC by the river on Thanksgiving...I'm not sure if anyone was hanging in a hammock but there were quite a few tarps there.

Okay, I just got caught up on the news. The camp was evicted. They've been there for a number of years, but the Michigan DOT was pressing the police to enforce the anti-trespassing laws the campers were breaking. They were camping on unused public land that nobody is allowed to be on.

They are homeless people who stay there by choice. There are shelters they could go to, but they aren't allowed to bring their belongings inside, and their stuff gets stolen. Also, the shelters have strict rules against drugs and alcohol use. So the homeless prefer to live outdoors, even in the winter.

One lady living there has been homeless for two years, and is six months pregnant. Yeah, okay.....

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/video/dickman-road-homeless-camp/2924369991001

Anyhow, the government, which knows what is best for us, has evicted them for their own safety. They say it's not safe to try to layer up and brave the elements.

So here we are, making plans to go a couple hundred miles further north, in the very dead of winter, for fun! You all know, most people say we're freaking nuts!

[indiver]

Hey Mike. Personally I'd leave the filter at home due to freezing. Melting snow can be discouraging since the payout is pretty weak. Depending on the moisture content (10:1, 20:1, etc) you can fill your pot and end up with just a few ounces at the bottom. But it works.

I plan on breaking chunks of ice out of the lake. It can take a little longer to melt, but you come out ahead with a lot more water for less work. You can throw some chemical treatment in afterwards if you don't want to wait for a full boil to disinfect. This saves fuel.

I think I'll bring the filter just in case, the N.C.T. side of the loop does not have any water any way and the Manistee River Trail side has a stream every mile or so, I don't know how much of it will be frozen. I topped off my gas bottle just in case I need the fuel. I feel safer with the filter. If I need to use it i'll dry it and keep it close to my body. I plan on doing the N.C.T. side first. Merry Christmas!

[3club]

I think I'll bring the filter just in case, the N.C.T. side of the loop does not have any water any way and the Manistee River Trail side has a stream every mile or so, I don't know how much of it will be frozen. I topped off my gas bottle just in case I need the fuel. I feel safer with the filter. If I need to use it i'll dry it and keep it close to my body. I plan on doing the N.C.T. side first. Merry Christmas!

??? NCT??? The NCT does not run through the Hoist area.

Regarding taking ice from the lake taking longer to boil, I think it would be quicker. The water below the ice must be at least 32 degrees, so the ice must be very close to that. The snow away from the lake, however, could be much colder than 32 degrees. So I think it would be quicker to melt a pound of near 32 degree frozen water than a pound of way below 32 snow. Either way, you have to melt a pound to get a pint.

However, if you've already broken through the ice on the lake, just scoop up some water!

If you can't quite get it up to a boil long enough, or you just want to filter the chunks out, I'd filter only very hot water, and then suck all the remaining water out of the filter while it's still warm, then quickly stick it back inside an inner pocket. Without a heat source running through it, it will freeze alarmingly quickly.

[riverjoe]

3Club , indiver is responding to some answers to a question he posed about hiking the Manistee trail . I think he's right , redundancy can't hurt . Melting snow is a royal pain , that's why Im bringing my big 2/3 gallon pot .

One tip I got recently that I havn't tried yet is " always start out with seed water in your pot ". That is add snow to already hot water or at least somewhat warm .
I always bring my arctic canteen so at least I have one quart of unfrozen water to start with . As far as lake water vs snow Id sure believe the snow to be at less risk of contaminants and so would not worry about the full 10 minute boil like lake water .

If I really wanted to be redundant Id bring some chemical tabs like we use to carry in the army . All I know are the iodine jobs from Nam , but surely they must have been improved by now , I drank the water there for a year with no ill effects and we drank some nasty water let me tell you .

[3club]

3Club , indiver is responding to some answers to a question he posed about hiking the Manistee trail . I think he's right , redundancy can't hurt . Melting snow is a royal pain , that's why Im bringing my big 2/3 gallon pot .

One tip I got recently that I havn't tried yet is " always start out with seed water in your pot ". That is add snow to already hot water or at least somewhat warm .
I always bring my arctic canteen so at least I have one quart of unfrozen water to start with . As far as lake water vs snow Id sure believe the snow to be at less risk of contaminants and so would not worry about the full 10 minute boil like lake water .

If I really wanted to be redundant Id bring some chemical tabs like we use to carry in the army . All I know are the iodine jobs from Nam , but surely they must have been improved by now , I drank the water there for a year with no ill effects and we drank some nasty water let me tell you .

Ah, thanks for the clarification on the NCT trip.

Yeah, I like redundancy, and I like filters, even in the winter. Although for this trip, I'm going to leave it at home. The "seed water" I haven't heard of before, but it makes sense, as without it, the chunk of ice has minimal contact with the pan you're heating. I'm sure fresh snow is clean enough as is, but I like to err on the side of caution anyway. Just watch out for the yellow snow!!!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2i4idXVWd1qa10r4o1_1280.png

[OneClick]

Mark if those co-ords are good that looks good should put us out of the wind and wood to burn in the area. Some guys will need wood for frames to ground hog it. Guess I may head up Thursday.

Sounds good. Of course things can change once I get there. If anyone comes across me set up and sleeping in the hammock, don't feel obligated to make it the "official camp". Since I'm arriving late Thursday I'll just set up around midnight to spend the night, then check things out better in the daylight.

[OneClick]

I understand cannister stoves don't work so well in the cold

I reference this pic a lot. Canisters work just about as good in winter as a hot summer day! All you need to do is warm 1oz of water and put it in a cup with the canister.

http://markbuchler.com/pics/jb1.jpg

I recently took my Jetboil out back and did a 1L boil test using 8g of fuel. Ran like the usual blowtorch! I've been so impressed over the past couple years that I purchased the Sumo 1.8L cup for my Jetboil. That will come in handy on this trip!

[TZBrown]

As hard as it is to believe you can "burn" snow when trying to melt for water.
I always start with water in the pot and heat it, then add snow.

Another way I go is to use 2 wide mouth pint containers, carried inside on a neck pouch or in a Ribz pack, under your coat. Drink half of one and fill with snow, store inside, drink half of the other and do the same.
You always have water as you travel, or to start to melt snow.

Body temp water and food are easier to digest and you do not expend calories either warming or cooling the contents of your stomach.

If you carry a filter, plan on it being trashed. Frozen membranes, even after thawing, do not fully capture giardia, most manufacturers state frozen filters are not to be trusted. Just throw the element away and buy another one.
In Winter clean snow, or ice is the best. Boil to sanitize if you must.

[OneClick]

Low temps still showing 12F - 7F at night! I've camped down to 15F or so and never had a problem with water freezing buried in snow. What about temps approaching 0°? Still OK to burn a Nalgene in snow upside down? I'll probably sleep with at least 16oz for quicker coffee in the morning!

Some temps next week from NWS...giving me chills just reading this!!

Sunday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around -1.
Monday: A slight chance of snow showers. Partly sunny, with a high near 11.
Monday Night: A chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -3.
Tuesday: A chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 11.
Tuesday Night: A chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -3.
New Year's Day: A chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy and cold, with a high near 10.

[riverjoe]

Running back and forth between the forums here . I'm getting pretty excited about the died in the wool wintereyness of this outing . Nobody can deny 20 inches of snow and 7 degrees Eh ?

Im still up in the air about leaving Thur. AM or not . Another Indiana fellow is going to arrive on Thur. night and hike back in . He's just going to set up temporarily on the north side where he camped in the fall . I agree the picking of the sight should have group input . My sight should be easily moved so I still may go early and move to the group sight . I think we need to look for protection from the wind first , proximity to fire wood , and the sight should be puurrdy . Long range lows are projected at about 7 degrees so wind could be a big factor at those temps .


After all that being said , I think that setting up tarps and wind shelters around the fire could make about any sight doable so Im open .


Edit.... Huh checking the snow depth were down to a measly 10 to 12 inches . Must have gotten some freezing rain or something to compact the snow . Still a decent amount .

[OneClick]

Edit.... Huh checking the snow depth were down to a measly 10 to 12 inches . Must have gotten some freezing rain or something to compact the snow . Still a decent amount .

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe the last map you generated was too close to the current time? If so, they just guess future depths. It can be misleading so you have to look at the top title and it will say "forecasted".

38° and sunny this saturday looks to be the worst day for our snow. Not much in the forecast but I'l still hoping for a nice storm right before our trip to freshen things up!

Already laying out my gear. Hoping to keep the pack around 32lbs total. The only luxury items I'm bringing is a tripod stool and homahawk. Never carried the stool before so that will need to strap onto my pack somehow. Oh, and of course some Jim Beam :)

[riverjoe]

Tell you the truth 12 inches are fine with me . That's about 11 inches more then I have out in my woods .

[OneClick]

Tell you the truth 12 inches are fine with me . That's about 11 inches more then I have out in my woods .

I bet that creek was roaring with all the rain though!

Don't we wish we were up north hanging right now? BRUTAL...I LOVE IT!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist_nws.jpg

[Donk_67]

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe the last map you generated was too close to the current time? If so, they just guess future depths. It can be misleading so you have to look at the top title and it will say "forecasted".

38° and sunny this saturday looks to be the worst day for our snow. Not much in the forecast but I'l still hoping for a nice storm right before our trip to freshen things up!

Already laying out my gear. Hoping to keep the pack around 32lbs total. The only luxury items I'm bringing is a tripod stool and homahawk. Never carried the stool before so that will need to strap onto my pack somehow. Oh, and of course some Jim Beam :)

a jump up to 38 before more fridgid temps next week is a good thing. My snowshoe attempt in 20-24" of powder was brutal last weekend. a little thaw will help crust the surface and make snowshoeing easier.

there will be snow.

[Donk_67]

the water idea for keeping cannister fuel warm is a new one for me...I'll definitely be trying that trick out. thanks for the tip Mark6.

[riverjoe]

a jump up to 38 before more fridgid temps next week is a good thing. My snowshoe attempt in 20-24" of powder was brutal last weekend. a little thaw will help crust the surface and make snowshoeing easier.

there will be snow.



Yeah your report on that snow shoeing made me a little nervous . I was identifying with the Beagle big time :D

[Donk_67]

Bought a cheap heavy Walmart bag tonight rated for 0 degree...not sure if I trust the rating (you get what you pay for), but paired with my Kelty bag and diy UQ, I should be ready for the cold. Actually getting excited about it.

[OneClick]

Did you see the latest?? Approaching stupid cold!! Lots of snow showers next week. I'm pumped!

About 0°F Friday and Saturday night when we're hanging. COLD!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/hoist_122713.jpg

p.s. I am 99% certain I will be stacking my underquilts now! Also bringing some hand warmers to throw in my boots in the morning.

[LakeSuperior777]

Interested if I can set up a carpool, coming out of jackson. I was up in Alpena this last weekend and there was almost two foot of snow and temps down to -16F. Kind of a roll of dice on how cold it can get this time of year.

[riverjoe]

Interested if I can set up a carpool, coming out of jackson. I was up in Alpena this last weekend and there was almost two foot of snow and temps down to -16F. Kind of a roll of dice on how cold it can get this time of year.

Fellow from the other forum who lives in Ann Arbor was talking about shareing a ride . If you want me to I could PM him .

[riverjoe]

I'm liking that map more and more each day!

I really hope they back these temps down to mid-20s for a high, but this is still acceptable:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89379576/curran_122313.jpg

Still a ways out, so expect changes.




Wait a minute it was not so long ago you posted this . Maybe somewhere in between these two .

[OneClick]

Wait a minute it was not so long ago you posted this . Maybe somewhere in between these two .

HAHA yeah, I posted a few weeks ago about why I don't understand Accuweather's need to forecast out 40 days. Makes no sense.

But now that we're 14 days out it's starting to get to a reasonable timeframe. NOAA has most of Michigan's chances much below normal too, so I think it's safe to plan on max highs around 20 and lows at a max of 10. Adding a few items to my gear...it's going to be a COLD ONE!

[riverjoe]

As long as a butterfly doesn't flap it's wings and change the course of the jet stream somewhere . I believe it's going to be cold tho . My previous low was a balmy 9 degrees so probabley break a personal record .

HERE IS PRINTABLE HOIST LAKE MAP . PARK AT WEST PARKING LOT . GO PAST CARP LAKE TO BYRON LAKE . ONE AND ONE HALF MILES .

http://www.oscoda.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/hoist_trail_map.pdf

HERE IS PRINTABLE TOPO ....
http://mapserver.mytopo.com/homepage/index.cfm?lat=44.6489498&lon=-83.822984&scale=24000&zoom=50&type=1&height=498&width=498&icon=0&searchscope=dom&CFID=19302468&CFTOKEN=56429839&scriptfile=http://mapserver.mytopo.com/homepage/index.cfm&bpid=MAP0060030900&latlontype=DMS