New ultralight DD setups!

[Sparkfly88]

I'd like to see some of these!!

They say they are the lightest hammock in the world. Soft shackles, whoopies, and huggers included.

http://www.ddhammocks.com/products/dd_superlight_range

[Sparkfly88]

No comments?? I know there are ultralight crew on here. I own the frontline by DD. But, a lighter one would be pretty neat!

[youbet]

9 ounces hmm. I didnt see where it said weight includes everything. I am really interested in the bugnet.

[Sparkfly88]

Oh. I meant included as in it'll be ready to hang from the get go. Unlike the crappy suspension DD came with beforehand

[Prime]

I would definitely be interested to see some reviews on these new items from DD. Especially the hammock.

Not sure i agree on the tarp being super lightweight. 3m x 2.9m is in my opinion a fairly big tarp. They could have shaved some of that off.

[Sparkfly88]

Nahhhh I love the 3x3. Heh

[dirtwheels]

Hammock - 8.8' x 4.5' @ 9.5 oz., I guess making the hammock smaller does cut weight, wonder what it does for comfort? WW is 11' and around the same weight, which is more comfortable? I'll bet I know!

Tarp - 9.8' x 9.5' 16.2 oz., nah, look at the WL tadpole and Warbonnet Edge, larger, lighter and cat cut.

Net - @6.7 oz. the bottom entry net is the best part but shipping to the US and the fact it's built to fit a sub 9' hammock make this piece and the whole kit very sub par to US offerings comfort and weight wise, but if I was in the UK and really short it would do OK if I didn't mind the weight penalty compared to the US offerings.

[Quake_gl]

Hammock - 8.8' x 4.5' @ 9.5 oz., I guess making the hammock smaller does cut weight, wonder what it does for comfort? WW is 11' and around the same weight, which is more comfortable? I'll bet I know!

Tarp - 9.8' x 9.5' 16.2 oz., nah, look at the WL tadpole and Warbonnet Edge, larger, lighter and cat cut.

Net - @6.7 oz. the bottom entry net is the best part but shipping to the US and the fact it's built to fit a sub 9' hammock make this piece and the whole kit very sub par to US offerings comfort and weight wise, but if I was in the UK and really short it would do OK if I didn't mind the weight penalty compared to the US offerings.

What is the WW?The Butt in a Sling hammock?
9.5 oz is low weight for hammock sure,but its really small,and no net.

The tarp is not special i agree.Not ultra light and the cut(square) is not best for weight/comfort ratio.

[dirtwheels]

Yeah BIAS Weight Weenie. You can get a 10' Simply Light Designs streamliner for 9 oz in 1.6.

[Sparkfly88]

This is what my DD shelter weighs right now.

Tarp 3x3 with stakes and cordage
2lbs 12.1 Oz.

Hammock with net, whoopies, skin, biners, and webbing
2lbs 8.5 Oz.

I didn't realize BIAS was that cheap.. And saved that much weight.


those prices on DD website though is including shipping.

[SSGHawk]

Sparkfly,
Glad you have one of these.
How tall are you and how flat does it sleep as compared to a ENO Doublenest or some other wide hammock?
thanks much.
Paul

[Sparkfly88]

The frontline isn't wide at all. But I have no problems finding a flat lay. I do like the material the eno is made of though.

[SSGHawk]

Sparkfly,
I just picked up a 10' metal fence corner post and a bag of Quikcrete 20-40 minute quick set, so I should be able to actually start this new hobby with my HH velcro bottom by Sunday night (tornadoes permitting).

I am thinking about buying one of the DD regular hammocks just for kicks and grins to see what the effect of the size difference is. What were the problems with the stock suspension?"
Appreciate your help.
Thanks.
Paul

[Sparkfly88]

The stock suspension is a piece of crap webbing . I'm sure if you look up the stock system on YouTube you'll understand. I didn't even hang on it. I removed it the moment I got it, made and installed amsteel continual loops on the ends, went from a webbing suspension with slide locks ( can't remember the name right now) then I went to a whoopie suspension.

[stoporko]

Hi guys, sorry for my english - not my native language.

I have been sleeping in DD camping for a while and now with the new super light range I am thinking about something lighter. Is the new superlight hammock still double layer? (with one side zipper etc.)

Many thanks!

[niallinireland]

pretty sure its not

[magic354]

I looked at the superlight range aswell, as I have a DD Camping hammock and wanted a much lighter setup. Ended up making my own DIY gathered end hammock and have ordered the material to make my own tarp after deciding against the DD tarp. What put me off was the PU coated Nylon, and not Silnylon, this apparently makes the material weaker whereby the sil actually makes the material stronger. I think DD are definitely moving in the right direction and their service and craftmanship are exceptional.

[SSGHawk]

Spark,
Thanks much on the suspension. I will take a look at the videos. I do not know all of the terminology yet so it is somewhat confusing.

Magic,
Does the PU coating actually weaken the material? Or does the Sil coating just strengthen the material. This is new stuff to me as a brand newby.

Thanks for your help folks.

Paul

[Passinthru]

Spark,

Does the PU coating actually weaken the material? Or does the Sil coating just strengthen the material. This is new stuff to me as a brand newby.

Paul

I really don't know but you are probably on to something here. I have a PU coated tarp from Campmor that is over 20 years old, has never leaked or torn. It may be that the SIL strengthens the fabric but I don't see that the PU coating weakens it at all.

[Sparkfly88]

from all the reading I've ever done this is the first time I've heard about the PU coating weakening anything....have any data to back this up?

[magic354]

Weight and durability mainly. PU is a less durable coating than silicone. Manufacturing wise it's also a lot easier to apply and achieve a higher waterproof rating with PU. Put those together and you probably have the reason for seeing PU on cheaper tarps. I've also read that PU actually makes the coated fabric weaker while Sil makes it stronger, but I've never seen any data to back that up.

A thread that I started about the differences between PU and Sil coating. Ripstopbytheroll, incase any of you are unaware, runs a website selling materials for hammock camping, basically things like silnylon, 1.6oz ripstop nylon, cuben fibre etc. and this was his opinion. Given his experience dealing with usual hammock fabrics I trusted it. But there is no actual data to back it up.

[andyfalkirk]

There will always be a weight issue when it comes to gear. As a 6'5" tall person I have to admit some of the hammocks aren't made for me. Haven't try DD superlight but it seems to be not my size. Instead I bought EXPED Travel Hammock Duo which is longer and wider and much more comfortable for the big boys and weights only 490g. But still interested in DD superlight tarp. Seems to be quite good value for the money. Any comments on that?

[Zilla]

There is not one bit of data showing where pu treatment weakens the fabric, it might make it a bit heavier but we all know that allready, as far as sylicone making fabric stronger, there is also no data to prove that, it might give it a bit more flex or strech but how could it make it stronger,,does putting a coat of paint or wax on a car make the metal stronger?..:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[craige]

There is not one bit of data showing where pu treatment weakens the fabric, it might make it a bit heavier but we all know that allready, as far as sylicone making fabric stronger, there is also no data to prove that, it might give it a bit more flex or strech but how could it make it stronger,,does putting a coat of paint or wax on a car make the metal stronger?..:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I don't know much about the pu coating, but the silicon is an impregnation. The silicon bonds to the fibres in the fabric, reportedly making the fabric stronger.

[Zilla]

I don't know much about the pu coating, but the silicon is an impregnation. The silicon bonds to the fibres in the fabric, reportedly making the fabric stronger.
i think the inpregnation may make it stronger, i just cant find any data on it, but pu coating weakening the fabric does not make sense to me, if anyone has a source of data on this i would be interested in reading it

[magic354]

i think the inpregnation may make it stronger, i just cant find any data on it, but pu coating weakening the fabric does not make sense to me, if anyone has a source of data on this i would be interested in reading it

I've found this site, doesn't mention anything about sources etc. but its an interesting read:

http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/FAQ_SiliconeVsPU.htm

Note:

"As far as the final fabric properties are concerned, you should not think of 'silnylon' as a 'coated fabric', but rather as 'nylon-fabric-reinforced silicone polymer sheet'. This is a bit like fibreglass or glass-reinforced epoxy. This difference translates into mechanical properties too. A key parameter is 'tear strength'. It is claimed that a PU coating focuses the stress in a tear right at the tip of the tear, and this actually makes a PU-coated fabric behave weaker than the base fabric. However, the elastic silicone polymer in silnylon fabric takes over and distributes the stress across a number of threads, and this makes the silnylon fabric significantly stronger in tear than the base fabric - reportedly up to 2.2 times stronger."


But still interested in DD superlight tarp. Seems to be quite good value for the money. Any comments on that?


I have been eagerly awaiting review videos cropping up on YouTube as DD send out the Superlight range to their 'testers', I have just watched all the available contact on the range. If you search 'DD Hammocks Superlight' you'll find them all, there's about 6 on the whole range atm. The tarp doesn't feature too heavily (mainly about the hammock and mosie net) but everyone has said that the quality is exceptional and they have not cut any corners in order to save weight. For the money, I think it would be a really good tarp, and as I've mentioned before, I've always been very impressed with DD's kit.

[sandykayak]

I only found two YouTubes on the Superlight Range. This one is 22.40 mins.

http://youtu.be/KKH2fNbNze4

I don't fancy the soft shackles. If you were buying the combo, what Dutchware items would you buy? The biners to replace the soft shackles. Anything else?

What other changes would you make? I thought of a few: Change out the tarp stakes.
Add a Ridgeline to raise the mosquito net. Possibly even attach some netting loops to the net.

[sandykayak]

I clicked on DD hammocks USA option but still get weights in grams and prices in pounds sterling.

Is there a link to US currency and weights/dimensions?

[magic354]

I clicked on DD hammocks USA option but still get weights in grams and prices in pounds sterling.

Is there a link to US currency and weights/dimensions?

Here is the link to the US part of their site:

http://www.ddhammocks.com/products?set_country=US

It contains all the prices in USD, however, the weights are still in grams, you will have to convert this yourself.

Yes, the NorthWestBushcraft video is the most comprehensive. If I personally was buying the combo I would swap out the soft shackles for a carabiner, I like to use climbing grade, and have two 24 kN rated wire gates that come in at 26g each that I use, however, DD now offer a 'Superlight' carabiner that is rated to 900lbs, and only weighs 8g. As you mentioned, I would also add a structural ridgeline, the mosie net does come with some cordage to form a ridgeline to keep it off your face, but if you add a structural ridgeline to the hammock it will do that same job. Tent pegs is up to you, personal preference, the DD ones are suitable. Apart from that, I like to use snake skins, and I use tarp tensioners on my tarp tieouts.

[Maximiliam69]

I don't fancy the soft shackles. If you were buying the combo, what Dutchware items would you buy? The biners to replace the soft shackles. Anything else?

What other changes would you make? I thought of a few: Change out the tarp stakes.
Add a Ridgeline to raise the mosquito net. Possibly even attach some netting loops to the net.

If you would add all this and also bring the mosquito net, then I would look at the Woodsman X single layer from UK Hammocks instead. The Woodsman wit ridgeline and mossie net is only 20 grams (0.7 oz) more than the DD with netting.

[magic354]

If you would add all this and also bring the mosquito net, then I would look at the Woodsman X single layer from UK Hammocks instead. The Woodsman wit ridgeline and mossie net is only 20 grams (0.7 oz) more than the DD with netting.

But the Woodsman X is £100 compared to £82 for the DD setup. Once you get to the £100 mark you are getting into Warbonnet Blackbird territory, which everyone on here seems to love and, to me at least, seems to offer all the Woodsman X offers which regards to the built-in mosie net and 'footbox/sag' area, plus the addition of the shelf. And it looks cooler haha.

[sandykayak]

Ref the WBBB, I don't like being locked into which way I must lie. Also, I like being able to remove (or lift and tie as I can in my Switchback) an integrated bugnet. I have big and comfy for car camping; now I'm looking for smaller size and less weight.

I like everything matching and if you buy all three (hammock, net, and tarp), the adventure kit/waist bag is "free." Correct me if my math is out. I'm only 5' so I hope that will help me get more on the diagonal.

[magic354]

Ref the WBBB, I don't like being locked into which way I must lie. Also, I like being able to remove (or lift and tie as I can in my Switchback) an integrated bugnet. I have big and comfy for car camping; now I'm looking for smaller size and less weight.

I like everything matching and if you buy all three (hammock, net, and tarp), the adventure kit/waist bag is "free." Correct me if my math is out. I'm only 5' so I hope that will help me get more on the diagonal.

Then it sounds like the DD setup would suit you very well. I can get very diagonal on their hammocks (I have the same size as the Superlight) and I'm 6'2 so you should be able to get very diagonal. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

[Maximiliam69]

But the Woodsman X is £100 compared to £82 for the DD setup. Once you get to the £100 mark you are getting into Warbonnet Blackbird territory, which everyone on here seems to love and, to me at least, seems to offer all the Woodsman X offers which regards to the built-in mosie net and 'footbox/sag' area, plus the addition of the shelf. And it looks cooler haha.

The WBBB is not a bad hammock, but it is significantly heavier than the Woodsman X or as the thread started, the DD Superlight together with a mosquito net. If I convert the weights correctly, the WBBB weighs 228 grams (8 oz) more than the combo - which almost equals an additional DD Superlight hammock (270 grams). Without mossie net, but anyway:)

[magic354]

The WBBB is not a bad hammock, but it is significantly heavier than the Woodsman X or as the thread started, the DD Superlight together with a mosquito net. If I convert the weights correctly, the WBBB weighs 228 grams (8 oz) more than the combo - which almost equals an additional DD Superlight hammock (270 grams). Without mossie net, but anyway:)

I think you might have might have used the wrong model WBBB, I make it that the DD Hammock/ Mosie combination comes in at 460g (with suspension system), the Woodsman X Single at 480g (with our without suspension? I can't find any info on their website) and the WBBB 1.1 Single (200lb weight limit- same as Woodsman X) comes in at 510g (with Whoopies).

But yes, going back to the thread, the DD Superlight with mosie net offers fantastic weight/money ratio and if I hadn't just recently made my own DIY lightweight hammock (at 330g alas)I would probably have got a DD Superlight.

[sandykayak]

Earlier I posted on the pixie gal's thread about Lady Hammockers that I will be getting birthday money next month. "Free" money has no guilt attached! ;)

[sandykayak]

Passsing on info received from DDH:

<<Thank you for your email and interest in DD Hammocks.

The Action Pack is approximately 15" x 7.5" and no, unfortunately the underblanket will not quite fit into the main compartment. You would, however, get a compact sleeping bag in it -

http://www.ddhammocks.com/hammock_tv/video/14#31 .

If you go to the check-out page on our website -
http://www.ddhammocks.com/products - you then have the option to select
your country as 'USA,' after which all products will show up in $US.

We may, when we have some time(!) put the weight conversions on to our
website; meanwhile it is quite easy to convert the weights online.

Hope this helps.

KInd regards,

Penny

[email protected]
http://www.ddhammocks.com

[magic354]

Yeah, I've seen the video you linked in, he manages to get his sleeping bag, hammock, mosie net and tarp all in the action pack, which is pretty cool. Are you thinking of getting one?

[sandykayak]

Yup. Birthday money just came in! I'm female, 5', and have the 1.9 DL Switchback Classic, which I absolutely love - for car camping. With tarp and UQ and sleeping bag, they simply don't fit in my Miniposa (should have kept the Mariposa, but it looked so out of proportion with my height). One of the videos shows how nicely the adventure kit (certainly doesn't look UL) velcros to the bottom of what I think is their Bergen rucksack, so I need to see what I can jury-rig with the Miniposa.

You can't tell, but the Sherpa Hang pic in my profile shows that I had to use my Golite Gust, which is HUGE.

[magic354]

Sounds good, look forward to hearing your thoughts on it all!

[fearsomePelican]

Dang you, now I will spend hours looking at everything! Time to redo the wish list.

Thanks!