How to divide 100' guyline on BMMJ w/panel pulls?

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03-15-2011, 07:05
Ecowoman

How to divide 100' guyline on BMMJ w/panel pulls?

As a newbee trying to decide how to divide 100' guyline on my BMMJ w/panel pulls, I've already read a couple of posts about the length of guyline tie-outs and ridgelines, but haven't been able to find advice on the length of the panel pulls lines. I plan to use it just about anywhere in the world and preferably in rain forests. First off to Madagascar where they not only have rain forests, but baobabs in some areas as well (although I doubt we'll be hanging from those).

On the 4 tie-outs I think I'd like to go for 10' each for max. flexibility (to be able to hang it up high in a tree when weather is good, for instance).
So what to do with the other 60'?

A:
10' for the 2 ridgeline lines
20' on each side for the panel pulls to make a single line between 2 panel pulls like this

B:
15' for both the ridgelines and panel pulls, to have more flexibility in tree diameters for the ridgeline?

C:
Even longer ridgelines, let's say 20' each, which would leave 10' each for the panel pulls?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shug

The trees can be larger out West .... 80' may be over-kill but 50' is what I would take.

D: any other suggestions?

Any advice deeply appreciated!
03-15-2011, 08:26
exup

I personally would do a 30' ridge line, 8' per tie out, 15' per each side of pannels, and 8' I'd make prusicks tho make the ridge line and tie out adjustable, you would need 7, at a foot a piece for a prusic you're left with one foot. . I wouldn't worry about adjustable pannel pulls for now. Later you may decide to incorperate shock cord, tarp tensioners, etc. Sad how quick line goes.
03-15-2011, 08:35
Cannibal

I can't tell you how long my panel pull tieouts are, but I can guarantee they are way longer than 10'. You might be surprised how far away the nearest tree is at times. 10' will certainly work, but for a few grams more, you can have a lot more flexibility.
03-15-2011, 08:42
exup

Last trip out I had my super fly and I used my standard 2mm line for everything but the pannel pulls I brought mason line. I hate mason line but it weighs almost nothing, cost almost nothing, so I could afford to bring 100' as backup line and run as much as I need for my pannel pulls and feel comfortable cutting it however need be because its like 900 ft. for $3 and weighs very little.

You might consider that just to find a good way to ration you're legnth before you cut you're better line. I'd probably still use a your other line for the ridge though.
03-15-2011, 10:31
Wags

I have 8 feet each side of my ridgeline and 4 feet on my tiedowns. i've never once said to myself "Man i wish i had longer line". I carry 2 extra 4 feet pieces of cord to make a porch door on one side of my tarp if i want to. this is for PA hiking.

i can't comment on the panel pulls as i don't have them...
03-15-2011, 14:42
Can't Wait

Well I run 30 ' speer no tangle ridge line with prussic's and the 10 ' speer NT with prussic's for corner guylines and 12 ' speer NT connected to 6" 1/8 shock cord for the pull outs on the superfly.
03-15-2011, 15:41
gargoyle

I'd take exuprising's idea and run with it. Experiment with what lengths will work for you. Shockcord is a bonus on the side panel pulls.
Once you know what lengths are good with mason's line, the switch over will be easy, and you can save a few lengths of mason's line for back up tie outs.

30' ridgeline, 8' side tieouts for me, btw.
03-15-2011, 22:09
optimator

Quote:

Originally Posted by gargoyle

I'd take exuprising's idea and run with it. Experiment with what lengths will work for you. Shockcord is a bonus on the side panel pulls.
Once you know what lengths are good with mason's line, the switch over will be easy, and you can save a few lengths of mason's line for back up tie outs.

30' ridgeline, 8' side tieouts for me, btw.

Same here, 30' & 8' on all my tarps. I have around 12' on my panel pulls.
03-15-2011, 23:26
slowhike

I don't remember the length on my pull out lines (probably 10 or 12') but I have a loop tied at the ends.
Most of the time it's all I need, but occasionally I need more length so I have a few lengths of extra line (probably about the same length) that also have a loop on one end.
The loops are just a way to make a temporary connection of two lines to make a longer line when needed.
03-16-2011, 19:15
finskie

I have 12' panel pull lines and 6' tyouts with 12' prusik adjusting ridgelines... all under 100'.
03-16-2011, 19:24
G.L.P.

i'm probly the wrong person to ask LOL
i have 10 feet on each RL pullout and 6 feet on my side pullouts...

i always hunker down close to the ground so i really don't need long lines
03-16-2011, 23:25
exup

In all honesty, I believe I'm using something like 3ft lines for the tie outs, haha. Last hang I had no experience with tarp lines and only used my hennessy stock tarp that came with lines, so I just sat around camp and made tensioners and lines I would need for that night only. More so to learn how, I planned to get different line soon.

But there's very few situations I can imagine needing more than a few feet of line. Better to have than have not.
03-17-2011, 16:51
Ecowoman

Thanks for all the advice! I still find it difficult to decide, maybe because I'm ill right now so I can't really think clearly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thexuprising

Last trip out I had my super fly and I used my standard 2mm line for everything but the pannel pulls I brought mason line....

I really like that idea, but with trying it out with mason line I think I'll run into the problem that I'd be trying it out in the Netherlands. That will be under quite different conditions than in Madagascar and I would like to have it sorted out before I leave for a months vacation over there.

Quote:

You might consider that just to find a good way to ration you're legnth before you cut you're better line. I'd probably still use a your other line for the ridge though.

Choosing the size of the ridgeline would determine the size of the panel pulls as well. I was thinking the following: 10' for the ridgelines seems the way most of you go with, so that would leave 20' to make a single tie out point for 2 pullouts on each side (maybe minus some prussiks). If I should run into the unfortunate situation where 10' for the ridgelines isn't enough, could I just swap the ridgelines with the panel pull lines? That way I think I have max. flexibility?
03-17-2011, 17:10
Trevlett

I would just buy another 100' and save yourself the math head ache! :D

Trev