Does anyone know if this method will work with Primaloft like it does down? Thanks for any and all tutalege in advance!
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Does anyone know if this method will work with Primaloft like it does down? Thanks for any and all tutalege in advance!
I thought Primaloft (I know at least some like PL1) is in sheets like Climashield. You'd need to shred it which would suck and probably not be as warm, either.
I'd also like to know if anyone's tried this. I've accumulated scraps of insulation from a couple of projects, and the next insulated hammock will likely produce some odd-shaped left-overs. I expect something simple like a pillow or a hat would make a good test project.
If you did cut up your scraps it would be easy enough to put in by hand since the PL would not be light enough to float away like down.
I tried this on a small scale since I have a source for lots of climashield scraps;) I think CL would be similar to primaloft used like this. The CL tends to clump together and not distribute very well. For a small pillow it would work but on a UQ you would have to stuff a lot (heavy) in to avoid cold spots from the clumping.
I was under the impression that climasheild was a sheet material but primaloft was a loose fill type. I bought 5 lbs of it for $40 shipped and by the description i felt that it was a loose fill. I guess i will see when it arrives. then again they did give a chart on on how much fill power for it to match the fill power of down. we shall see.
I have some in m sewing room that I've not taken out of the package, and I think the pillow I received from Chicken Wing is primaloft (my Mom thought it was a down pillow). I'm pretty sure it's loose fill like down.
I've not made anything with it though, so I don't have any tips for you except to maybe treat it like it's down.
From my experience Primaloft comes in sheet form. It is a loose construction with excellent loft but needs a scrim backing to give it structure over large panels. Climashield works better on larger projects because it will retain its form without the scrim layer.
It will be interesting if yours does not come in a sheet or scrap sized pieces. Keep us updated
It's a sheet material, just not made from continuous fibers like Climashield. Are you sure you didn't buy 5 yards, not 5 pounds? Even if that's the case, you got a bargain. What was the source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Carolina Razorback
When it shows up, would you be able to snap a picture and post it? I've been really curious about this. I've only seen primaloft in sheet form and this 'baffles' me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carolina Razorback
Here's the source (or, at least a source).
http://www.shopdownlite.com/wholesal...gs-p-3096.html
I've also got some of this stuff on order and here's what I know so far.
Downlite is licensed by Albany Int'l to produce a loose fill made from Primaloft fibers called "PrimaLoft - Luxury Down Alternative".
Here's the press release. http://www.primaloft.com/pl-home/pre...ore%C2%AE.html
"PrimaLoft - Luxury Down Alternative" - It is a loose fill roughly equivalent to 550 fill power down with many of the same handling properties of down. Possibly the greatest advantage would be the ability to use it right alongside of IX without the worry of reducing insulating power due to wet insulation.
shopdownlite.com sells this fill in 5lb. batches for $35.00 + shipping.
http://www.shopdownlite.com/wholesal...gs-p-3096.html
My order with UPS Ground and sales tax came to $51.59 for 80 ounces or $0.644875 per ounce.
Cost comparison for approx 2.5" loft in underquilt
12oz of 800+ FP down at $6.50/oz = $78.00
6yds of 4oz. Primaloft at $10.95/yd = $65.70 (could save some by stitching pieces together)
18oz of Primaloft loose fill @ .644875/oz = $11.61
I'm currently thinking about an underquilt tutorial using this fill combined with IX for Scouts, Car campers, and folks who just can't afford the good stuff. Would there be interest in the HF community for heavier budget underquilts and top quilts?
Yes this is the place that I purchased it from. Also here is a little savings tip. I did a little research and found a discount coupon code for 10% off. if you order more than 150 dollars shipping is free. My order was only 35 with shipping at around 11 bucks. so with the discount it was around 8 or so. the coupon code to enter at check out is DORM11. (must be a college student discount) but hey it worked :D and I saved $3.50. My total came out to be around 42-43 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by sclittlefield
PapaSmurf, that's great info. Thanks! I think your IX + Primaloft idea is a good one. My limited experience with synthetic underquilts leads me to think that the heavier the quilt, the harder it is to fit to the hammock without air gaps, but I see a real need for a cheap summer-weight UQ.
Hangnout, the scrim that comes with sheet Primaloft isn't bonded to it, and IMO its main benefit is to keep the rolled primaloft from tangling with adjacent layers as it's being unrolled and sewn to fabric. There's even a question about whether the scrim is necessary while sewing, once the insulation is unrolled. Thanks to RamblinRev I now know to put the fabric on top of the layer of insulation while sewing. It doesn't catch in the feed dogs, but I used to have problems with it catching on the presser foot doing it the old way with the insulation layer on top.
Papasmurf i thing it's a good idea for summer weight UQ i agree with WV if it starts to get too heavy it might not be worth the weight
but i would like to see what you can come up with maybe a summer UQ under $100 and under 20oz ... that would be a hot item with members that can't dish out $200+ for a down UQ
There's nothing shabby about 550 performance.The best bags ten years ago were filled with 650-rated down. If they were used much, 550 would be less than a 15% degradation (assuming loft = performance.)
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I'm currently thinking about an underquilt tutorial using this fill combined with IX for Scouts, Car campers, and folks who just can't afford the good stuff. Would there be interest in the HF community for heavier budget underquilts and top quilts?[/QUOTE]
Also us folks looking at a lot of dampness. I just picked up a pair of poncho liners to play with. I'm starting to think of a multilayer TQ with a PL, "poncho" wind block layer, and a double wt PL equivalent. Mix and match as needed.
Its not always "affording" the so called good stuff. I decided I'd use synthetics on my diy tq and uq for personal reasons. I decide on primaloft after my wife got a Patagonia jacket with it. She's cold natured, and it packs down very nicely, plus keep her chill off...
Now I see I have an other options to think about, loose fill....
Sounds very interesting... I'd be interested in about 12-18oz of the stuff to experiment with...Quote:
Originally Posted by PapaSmurf
Group Buy anyone?
It's cost to performance in my mind... like PS said, Car camping, damp environments...Quote:
Originally Posted by ciphoto
I too began thinking about PrimaLoft (for a TQ) after getting my Patagonia jacket. Does anyone know what type of PrimaLoft is in the loose fill?Quote:
Originally Posted by ciphoto
From PrimaLoft's website there are a bunch of different types ranging from Infinity to One, with One having the best performance by far.
http://www.primaloft.com/en/performance/products.html
For example, One has a clo/oz/yard2 value of 0.92 when dry and 0.90 when wet. Going down just one level to Sport has a clo/oz/yard2 value of 0.79 when dry and 0.72 when wet.
Cheers to those working out some details on this.
Very interesting.
I'll be watching as this develops.
I sent a query in to DownLite to find out what PrimaLoft is in the loose fill.
What do you think about the differences between PrimaLoft One and Sport? One has more insulating capability but acts as a windbreaker too (I assume because the fibers are so fine). Sport doesn't have windblocking capability according to their website.
Is the windblocking capability of PrimaLoft One going to cause condensation problems?
PiSq, I was just thinking about doing the same, let us know what they say.
Either way I believe I'm ordering some to work with. I was planning on a tq with the sport, and am trying to figure the weight difference between it the loose to make a 20* tq...
The loose fill Primaloft is divided into 3 different products:
"PrimaLoft Thermo, PrimaLoft Support and PrimaLoft Memory – all engineered for specific performance attributes and end uses."
I don't really know which one of these is available through Downlite, nor how these 3 fills relate to Primaloft products offered in the Outdoor market.
More study is needed.
Here's a little more info on the 3 different loose fills:
PrimaLoft® Thermo’s exclusive formula of blowable polyester fiber fill provides optimal performance for down-like™ comforters and blankets. The microfiber blended technology of PrimaLoft® Thermo allows the polyester fiber to mimic the loft and softness of down. The polyester fibers also create a layer of insulating technology which that mimic the warmth of a 550- fill power down product.
PrimaLoft® Support was engineered exclusively to create down-like™ pillows and pads. The blended technology of PrimaLoft® Support allows the polyester fiber to mimic the qualities of down-like™ loft and softness, while providing hypo-allergenic and anti-microbial benefits. The polyester fibers create a customizable down alternative that cradles and supports the head, neck and shoulders.
PrimaLoft® Memory’s garnetted polyester fiber fill provides durable performance for pillows and pads, providing a balance of support and resilience. DOWNLITE utilizes the best state-of-the-art garnetting machinery in the world today. Such superior craftsmanship and quality control optimizes PrimaLoft®’s memory recovery and end product performance.
Well I've ordered some... so sooner or later I'll get around to making something and trying it out... I'm going to use the 550 number to figure fill weights etc... now I have to buy some cheap fabric to practice on....
Anyone finish one of these? I'm about to start a TQ, really can't afford down. I was going to do Insultex, and some cheap quilt-batting between multiple layers, but I was thinking if I did loose Primaloft with baffles, I might just be able to replace it with down in the future.
Im planning on making an UQ with primaloft sport. It will be very cheap but it will be easy to make and pretty light weight to. The advantage that I´m seeing is that I only need to put fabric (rip stop nylon) on one side, the other side will be towards my downproof hammock! and when i roll it up I can roll it together with the hammock. I will make some quilting with threads trough the insulation and the nylon.
Any suggestion on what temperature the different thicknesses will take me down to? 60g/qm -- 1,8oz/sq yd, 133g/sqm -- 4oz/sq yd, 200g/qm -- 6oz/sq yd
I have not found any diy instructions on UQ made from primaloft or similar, any suggestions?
Thanks!