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I'll be stopping by Brandon's place tomorrow to pick up a RidgeRunner for a quick overnighter this weekend. I have a WBBB with the adjustable webbing and like it fine and all, but wouldn't mind dropping just a few ounces for the line/strap with the RR, if it makes sense.
Warbonnet users - which do you prefer? Is the line/strap too difficult or is the adjustable webbing worth it? I'm handy with knots, etc. so that really isn't an issue.
I think Whoopie slings would be better. Easier to adjust than knots and stronger too which is probably good since the RR may be hung a little tighter than the BB putting more stress on the suspension. I would get the buckles and swap them out for whoopies later.
I think its all about personal preference. Here is a video where Brandon goes threw the setup of both types of suspension http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWlM0pROnpU
Dutchware whoopies with Dutchware whoopie hooks!!
Straps and cinch buckles
I'm not sure how to start a new thread, so I thought I'd toss my idea on here.
Woopie slings r great. Then I came across the UCR, which has a holding problem, but gives greater leanth per foot of material than a woopie. Now I'm thinking why not just put an eye splice on each end of your amstee. Clip one end or hang it from you marline spike or what ever, the feed the other end through the hammock attachment your using and secure it with a klemish knot or prussik. Easy adjustment, simple to make and lighter the a woopie.:boggle:
I like the strap and cinch buckles when I am not using whoopies. I find I can do the more minute adjustments much more easily.
Thanks for the quick suggestions all! Looks like I'll go with webbing/buckles, with the possibility of swapping out for whoopie slings at some point in the future.
I like the adjustable webbing a lot more than the line/strap. It is WAY easier to adjust - the extra few ounces are worth it to me.
I purchased whoopie slings with my No Net, but replaced them with the adjustable webbing. The Ridge Runner requires trees to be farther apart than a gathered end hammock. The greater the distance between trees the higher you need to place your tree straps. The adjustable webbing allows the hammock anchor very close to the tree.
I bought my original blackbird with the line/strap suspension, and my next one with the buckles and an extra set of buckles for the first blackbird. After that, I switched both blackbirds out for whoopee slings, and now I'm actually considering going back to the buckles for the blackbirds. Both ridgerunners I bought, I ordered with the buckles as well.
To me, the biggest benefit of the all-in-one straps/buckles system is that your tree hugger and your suspension are one in the same. That means that, if you have huge trees close together, or little itty bitty trees really far apart, either way your suspension is as flexible as possible for both situations.
I've been in situations with my whoopee slings where I wanted to hang from two trees close together, that were also small in diameter, and I had to shorten the tree huggers, either by using a toggle (I hate toggles) or by wrapping the strap around the tree a few times (somewhat squirelly with Dutch clips).
I'm leaning in the direction of thinking the mild weight penalty for the all-strap suspension is worth it for the convenience and lack of hassle.
Also, regarding the line/strap: I hate it. Being able to lay in the hammock, decide you don't quite like where it's at, and easily tweak your suspension is a huge bonus of whoopie slings / straps-n-buckles. With a knot-based suspension, you have to keep re-tying knots. I will never screw around with that silliness again, now that there are so many better options for suspensions.
That's smart and what I did. Then you open up the options depending on the situation and your mood.Quote:
Originally Posted by breyman
I'll trade a few ounces on my back for lack of hassle every time.
Easy, yes. Secure for the load of a human body? Well, you try it and report how many wraps you need for the knot to hold, and how much or little fun you have releasing the grip with cold fingers. With 12-15mm climbing rope, for which these knots were designed? Yes. With 7/64" slippery Amsteel? I look forward to your careful report.Quote:
Originally Posted by ibgary
plus 1 ..i bought the line strap by mistake(mine).with cold old fingers i didnt find trying to pinch the lines together so that i could tie it off very efficient.i found the line pretty slick.im no stranger to knots,but found the adjustable strap to be much better for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boulderman
I bought my WBBB with the adjustable webbing, then switched to Whoopies and then tried this:
http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ht=single+ring
Adjustable webbing.
So much easier to deal with when the temperature is low and your fingers are cold and have lost some of their dexterity.
i didnt like the strap and line.i have no problems with the knot part,but the line is really slick.the problem was my challenges that come with age, and cold weather stiffening the fingers.i went back to adjustabe strap they are perfect for me.good luck.
I used whoopies for awhile, then switched back to the webbing/buckle suspension. It's just easier and gives you greater flexibility in selecting trees in my opinion. Also, with the RidgeRunner already being slightly longer than a normal gathered end hammock, adding whoopies to it just makes it that much longer of a spread...
Lets see. If I have a web and buckle system that weighs 14 ounces, then I could make hammock adjustment in 10 seconds or less. If I had a line and strap system that weighs 5 ounces, then it takes 60 seconds to make hammock adjustments
Speaking for myself, I don't think I want to carry an extra half pound for eight to ten hours of hiking just to be able to save 50 seconds of adjustment time.
I hang and camp out mostly from my vehicles; motorcycle, truck or canoe. I'm getting too old to be throwing that pack on my back and hiking for miles. So I could care less about the weight. To me the webbing and buckles is the best way. Easy, foolproof, versatility, and way less hassle. especially when the whoopie sling gets jammed and doesn't want to release.
I changed my BB suspension to Dutch continuous loops and whoopie hooks. I went back to the buckles because I just find them more versatile. I use a Dutch Biner to attach the loop on the hammock to the loop on the buckles. This allows me to pack wet or sappy straps separate from the hammock and also allows me to use whoopie hooks and huggers if I want
+1 webbing & bucklesQuote:
Originally Posted by Redbone311
Webbing and buckles get easier to use each time out.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by bluzharp
I have went back to buckles on all my suspensions. They are just so much easier to use all the way around, I gave up trying to shave an ounce here or there for no real good reason. Truth is I could care less if my pack weight is 17# or 19#, give me the easy buckles, the cloudburst over a cuben tarp, the riderunner with stock poles instead of using hiking poles, etc. I carry very few luxury items so the extra pound is negligible. FWIW, I also got rid of most of my UL packs and got a custom pack built by Dan McHale, amazing that a heavier pack built right with more weight feels significantly lighter and rides better than a UL pack with no no frame that does not distribute pack weight properly.