Found this while surfing ebay. Works out after postage to be .155 cents a foot. Great Deal thought I would share.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Samso...2em118Q2el1247
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Found this while surfing ebay. Works out after postage to be .155 cents a foot. Great Deal thought I would share.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Samso...2em118Q2el1247
Just hangin' out surfing ebay, huh? :)
Not bad but he says it has a 1,200 lb. tensile strength.. that sounds a bit low to me for Amsteel. 3mm 12-strand Amsteel specs out around 2100 lbs. It is a great price for someone who can use that much line.
- JT
wonder if he screwed up his numbers when he typed it. I don't have a use for that much line either but it is a pretty good deal either way.
I also need to add, from my sailboat racing days, lines such as Dyneema, Sprecta, and other High Modulus Polyethelenes are very strong but can be quite slippery and do not hold knots very well. Knot handling is one of the reasons I prefer Vectran. YMMV
Edit: My comment above about knot handling of Dyneema is strictly based on lines constructed of single core Dyneema. Lines such as Spyderline have a center core of Dyneema with a Polyester outer braid. The polyester does help knot handling a little bit better than pure Dyneema.
- JT
I took a chance and bought one of the rolls. I needed a spool of good cord to keep in my truck for general purpose use anyway.
It isn't Amsteel, but it does appear to be braided and coated Spectra. It handles well and will hold knots. While I don't have a way to test it's strength, I wouldn't doubt the given rating now that I've handled it.
Good find, mayhem. I'll get a lot of use from the roll. (non-hanging purposes, though)
It looks just like the 7/64 I use. I might order a roll. It's a good deal.
which one did you get Angry Sparrow, the line that holds knots well I mean?
I bought one of the 3mm/290' rolls of spectra linked in the first post of this thread. Currently the seller lists 21 rolls still available.
Oh OK, I thought that stuff WAS Amsteel.
I bought some Amsteel from Anapolis Performance Sailing, but I thought it was rather slippery - Garda Hitch won't hold on it, although the bowline holds fine. The Garda works fine on the Spyderline, so I still like it the best I guess, but I like the higher strength to weight of Amsteel so my ears perk up when I hear braided spectra with no sheath that isn't slick!
Sorry for the misconception I originally thought it was amsteel because of the way it was posted but apparently after reading the description it's Dyneema with a samthane coating. If I'm not mistaken dyneema and spectra are the same thing.
In the eBay title listing, it does say Amsteel, but it doesn't quite feel like the Amsteel I've handled in the past. It is slightly more pliable. While it does have some smoothness, as any coated line does, I've had no trouble getting it to hold knots so far (bowline, blake hitch, taut-line, etc). I only received it in the mail today, though.
FWIW, I've personally never been able to get a Garda hitch to hold with any cord less than 3/8" in diameter, including the cord mentioned. YMMV
That's correct. Spectra is a trade name for Dyneema. It is also known as TiVAR and Polystone-M, according to the Wikipedia entry for ultra high molecular weight polyethylene.
My Amsteel 1/8" (3mm) came in today. 1800lb. breaking strength. Good price.
http://www.reddenmarine.com/site/new...?id=AMRAMSTL18
That ebay price is pretty good when compared to the price at APS
Look down at the bottom - last listing - "HPS Twine - Samson" - same maker, same coating.
APS lists the price of a 600' spool of 2.2 mm at $141.82
The spool sure likes the same stuff. APS lists the rating on the 2.2 mm as 580 lbs. The ebay listed rating for the 3 mm stuff is 1200 lbs. Don't know if the ebay rating is reasonable or not.
To quote APS:
Funny, I've never thought of dyneema as "twine".:rolleyes:Quote:
HPS Twine (aka "Lash-It") is made from 100% Dyneema® fiber. This twine yields the highest strength, lightest weight, lowest stretch and longest wear life available. A proprietary urethane coating Samthane adds to the twine’s wear life, ensures the knot-holding capability of the twine, and gives the twine its distinctive gray color for Lash-It. Sold as a 600' spool in a convenient package
I'll bet that 600' spool of 1.75 mm would make good guy line cord. Sounds kind of high priced until I figured that 50' comes to $10.29. That's cheaper than the BPL dyneema guy line cord.
The ebay price of $45.00 looks like taking candy from a baby.
I wonder if the guy selling the 3 mm could also sell the 1.75 mm cord? If he could sell that for a comparable price that would make the best and cheapest guy line cord I have seen that could also be used for bear bags.
19 listed as still available on ebay. AngrySparrow says he likes the stuff. I would think it should be worth the $45.00 and pobably more.
I do like the stuff, but yes I bought it for 'general purpose' use.
I've handled Amsteel once before, and the stuff from the auction 'feels' more pliable than I recall Amsteel being... since it came with no specs or branding info, I can only go by my observations.
Either way, it is quality cording that I feel is worth the money for the given length.
The seller has an eBay store with many other products. He may be able to provide more info if someone contacted him.
After AngrySparrow reported on his experience with this ebay samthane coated dyneema, I figured that for $45.00/600', I'd give it a try also.
Well it arrived today. I ordered on the afternoon of the 22cd. 2 day service/delivery. He is prompt.
I'm impressed.
I have the BackPackingLight AirCore Plus dyneema cord. $40.00 for 50'.
This ebay stuff is indistinguishable from the AirCore stuff.
I have done some limited testing with knots, bowline, figure 8, Prussik using dacron guyline cord for the Prussik, Icicle hitch, Blake's hitch, sheet bend, double sheet bend, adjustable hitch, lineman hitch. They all held very well. I liked the performance better than the BPL AirCore Plus. This stuff is about the same stiffness as the AirCore Plus, i.e., not very stiff at all.
I'm inclined to believe the ebay rating on breaking strength plus or minus 100 lbs. I'd say it's in that range. BPL rates their AirCore Plus at 1109 lbs. I can easily believe this stuff is about the same.
I'm still intrigued by the APS 1.75 mm "twine". I go through 50' lengths of guyline cord too fast. I have so far purchased 3 or 4 of the BPL 50' lengths of their guy line cord. I like the way it handles and I bet the APS "twine" would be very similar after handling this stuff. 50' of the BPL guyline cord is $25.00. The APS stuff on a 600' roll would run less than half that, $10.00 and change. I like the dacron guyline cord also, but have found that knots "set" in the stuff. Tie a sheet bend and leave it for 24 hours or so, then untie it and the dacron cord retains the sheet bend shape. Makes it very difficult to tie another knot, I'm always fighting the cord trying to get the shape of the previous knot out of the cord. Don't have that problem with the dyneema stuff I've used.
Thank You - you are totally right.
I got mixed up between the ebay samthane coated dyneema and the APS samthane coated dyneema. The APS stuff is a 600' spool.
Even at 290' on the spool, that puts this stuff at $7.76 (including shipping) for 50' as opposed to the BPL AirCore at $40.00 + shipping for 50'
I like deals like that.
Thank you for correcting that AngrySparrow
Found out just what this "Amsteel" is.
First it is not Samson Amsteel.
Second it is made by Samson and is Dyneema.
Third, it is their Lash-It product.
It comes in sizes from 2.5 mm to 36 mm diameter. The 1,200 lb rating is the rating listed in the Samson Industrial Rope Catalog, page 42. The 1,200 lbs is listed as their "Average Strength". It is listed as on a 289' spool. Why 289' and not 290' or 300'??
They have an almost identical product called Zing-It, only difference is the samthane coating is yellow. This product only comes in 1.75 mm and 2.2 mm diameters. Otherwise it has the same specs as the Lash-It. Zing-It is for arborists who use it as a throw line. The yellow is better seen in the tree.
The Lash-It is designed for a marine environment.
3 mm Amsteel is rated at 2,100 lbs average strength on page 32 of the same catalog with a minimum strength of 1,900 lbs. The 3 mm Amsteel is listed at 0.5 lbs/100'.
The catalog doesn't list a weight of the 3 mm Lash-It. I weighed 30'. 1.65 oz, which comes to 0.055 oz/ft or 0.34 lbs/100'. Comparing this to 2.8 mm Spyderline. APS lists the 2.8 mm Spyderline at 1,200 lbs strength and 0.4 lbs/100'.
So the 3 mm Lash-It compares favorably with the 2.8 mm Spyderline, equal strength rating and just slightly lighter. It's probably lighter since the Spyderline has the polyester sheath which adds weight over the dyneema/spectra core. The Samthane coating used on Amsteel and Lash-It is supposed to accomplish the same thing as the Spyderline polyester sheath.
At $45.00 (including shipping) for 289' of Lash-It compared to the APS Spyderline at $.0.51/ft or $153.34 ( $147.39 + $5.95 shipping) for 289', the ebay Lash-it product is a better buy for price, equal strength and slightly lighter weight.
Looked around trying to find the Lash-It product elsewhere for sale. Couldn't find it anywhere except APS. They only sell 600' spools of the 1.75 mm and the 2.2 mm. But then guessing from the prices for those, they would probably price 600' of the 3 mm at about $150 or $75.00 for 300'. So the ebay price of $40 for 289' still looks like a good deal.
Cut some off and made 2 15' suspension lines and a ridge line for my DIY hammock. Hung the hammock.
Observations:
- knots - knots hold very well. Also, much easier in this experiment to untie knots than with the Spyderline which had been on the hammock. I find with the Spyderline, it is VERY stiff and once a knot has been under load, the knot can be VERY hard to untie. I found the knots in the Lash-It product to hold well. I would judge as well as the Spyderline. There was a little slip initially (well not really slip, just the knot pulling tight). The same behavior I have observed in the past with the Spyderline. Tie a knot and load it and there is that initial tightening that will give you some slack. Used some guyline cord for Prussik knots on the ridge line. The Prussik knots held as well on the samthane coated Lash-It as on the polyester sheath of the Spyderline. I have coated dyneema from BPL. The Prussiks don't hold well on that coating at all.
- stretch - the Lash-It has more initial stretch than the Spyderline. For me, the Spyderline initially stretched a little and then held that length. The same with this Lash-It product, but the Lash-It product does have more initial stretch than the Spyderline. Didn't measure the amount of stretch, it just seemed like more. But then I could be remembering the Spyderline as less stretch since I have been using it for a long time and gotten all of the stretch out of it. In a year I will probably remember the Lash-It the same.
- handling - the Lash-It product is easier to handle. It is a lot more flexible than the Spyderline. I like the flexibility of the Lash-It product more than the stiffness of the Spyderline. This makes it far easier to figure 8 coil the Lash-It and secure it.
- kinks and twists - One thing I really, really dislike about Spyderline is the kinking and twisting. No matter what I do, any length of Spyderline over about 5' to 10' will twist and develop kinks. Trying to undo a figure 8 coil is really frustrating with Spyderline for me. If I do a straight loop coil, instead of the figure 8, undoing the coil is a mess. The figure 8 coil is better with the Spyderline, but not by much. The twisting will turn into kinks which catch the line and cause a real mess. Trying to coil (figure 8 or straight loop) a 15' to 20' or longer length of Spyderline takes 3 or 4 times longer than necessary because of the twisting of the line. I have to constantly untwist the line as I coil it or it becomes a twisted and then kinked mess. Same with uncoiling it. I like to straight coil rope by wrapping around my forearm - catching it with my thumb, my elbow bent to 90 degrees and then wrapping around my thumb and upper arm. Makes coiling a rope or electrical cord fast and easy. I can do the same thing with a figure 8 coil by altering the method of wrapping. I find that the Lash-It doesn't twist like the Spyderline. And since it doesn't have the polyester sheath it doesn't kink. The Lash-It is somewhat flat and will twist, but the twisting isn't a real mess as with the Spyderline.The polyester sheath on the Spyderline is what causes the kinks to develop from the twisting. The samthane coating on the Lash-It product makes it a dream to coil (straight loop or figure 8) compared to the Spyderline and uncoiling the Lash-It is far, far, far easier. This is probably also true of Amsteel with the same samthane coating. It is also probably true of other high tech ropes which are coated instead of covered with a sheath.
Hung a length from 2 trees separated by about 16'. Used both large and small Figure 9s. Both worked very well with the Lash-IT.
Overall, now that I really know what this stuff is and that the 1,200 lb rating is what Samson lists it as, I feel even more convinced that the ebay product is well worth the $40 + $5 shipping. Also, with 289' of the stuff I feel easier about cutting some off and using it. Whenever I buy stuff by the foot from APS or another place, I always buy what I need now + maybe 5%. Then I'm always dithering about cutting the stuff. I measure and re-measure and measure a third, fourth, fifth, sixth and more times before I finally cut it. Buying by the foot, I see money with every foot. With this stuff, 289' for $45, I feel suddenly rope rich and cut off a piece with a lot more peace of mind.
I'm really glad you followed up on this. It's nice to have spec-confirmation about a product like cording, because it can give you more confidence in it's proper use.
I'm also pleased that my observations about the line (in absence of actual product information) turned out to be right on.
I will continue to use Spyderline in certain situations (suspension use, where I actually like that Spyderline is harder to untie), but for that purpose I use the 3.8mm Spyderline to which this Lash-It isn't analogous.
Now that I've used the Lash-It for a longer period, I find that I like it more and more. I'll probably buy yet another spool of it at that price.
Yes - the price is really good and like you, the more I use the stuff the better I like it.
I just have a hard time thinking of Dyneema anything as "twine". Every time I read the product description and they call it "twine", it gives me a little laugh. I'm use to twine being that cheap stuff that I can break with less than 5 lbs of pull.
I have found another place besides APS that sells the Lash-It, Fisheries Supply sells the small diameter Lash-It and Zing-It. I haven't found anyplace else that sells the 3 mm and larger stuff though.
I am going to start another thread on the 1.75 mm Lash-It for guyline cord.
I told somebody today that I use "twine" to hang my hammock.
They have been hanging for a while.
You should have seen the look on the face - total disbelief.
TWINE to hang a hammock?
The next thing they finally said - "You must be out of your mind".
Finally explained to them.
I was looking through the Ebay sellers inventory when I came across these 2 listings(same rope, different colors):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Samso...mZ370011926036
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Samso...mZ370011926216
Pretty impressive sounding stuff for such a small diameter. Who's gonna try it? :p
Quote:
You are buying a 3/16" x 50' piece of Samson Validator SK line. It's cover is finely braided polyester of ORANGE with RED Tracers. This is a discontinued color scheme. ..... It's blended Dyneema SK 75 and Vectran fibers give this line a super high test with very little creep or stretch. This line is spliceable using a class 2 Double braid splice. Test is an astounding 4820 lbs.....
I may be the guinea pig on this one. Since I wanna try out a garda hitch system I was looking for line with a little bit higher breaking strength than the 2.8mm spyder line that a lot of people use.
I initially was looking at the AS-78 Samson from APS, 2900 lbs breaking strength for 3mm line. I got a piece of this line with my Warbonnet hammock and I like it, but the cost of $1.13 per foot eliminated that line.
My next choice is Vectrus 12 Yale, rated at 2,000 lbs for the 3mm cord. It's only .47 per foot. The Vectrus is also available with a polyester jacket that would help with the slipping of the line when using the garda hitch.
I am wanting some rope to use for my suspension system on my DIY. I believe I am going to be using the 1" webbing from Strapworks, along with the cinch buckles from onrope.
I wanted to get some rope that I could tie to the buckle with the prussik knot, then with a larks head to the whipped hammock end, as shown somewhere on the site here.
Would this rope be suitable to hild my 245-255 lb arse? Or is it going to be too thick to work around the buckle for the prussik? Would I be "overbuying" the rope, that is spending too much (more than .50 a foot from the looks of it) on this stuff?
If this is a stupid question, please excuse it, but as HC4U & some of you others are well aware... I am pretty clueless when it comes to these materials!
Pretty much any of the rope talked about in this thread would be fine for holding up your weight, no problem.
I seriously doubt that the rope that I linked to a couple of posts above could be used to tie a prussik on the cinch buckles. I have the Amsteel 7/64 (3mm) wrapped around the cinch buckles with a prussik and it's just barley wide enough to accommodate the size. The 3/16 (~4.7mm) Ebay stuff above would be to fat, IMHO. It would work okay with rings.
Like HC4U my estimate is that the 3/16" stuff you refer to is too wide.
The attachment shows a prussik on a cinch buckle using 3.8mm Spyderline. 3/16" is approximately 5.3mm
Grizz
I checked the Sansom catalog.
They list the Validator SKB as a blend of Vectran and Dyneema SK-75 core with a braided covering of polyester. The Vectran is used to reduce the creep.
They list the average strength as 4800 lbs and the minimum strength as 4100 lbs.
They list the weight as 1.3 lbs/100'. I usually compare weights to the 2.8 mm Spyderline which is listed as 0.4 lbs/100' by APS. So the Validator SKB 3/16" is some pretty heavy rope in comparison - over 3 times as heavy. If the weight doesn't bother you, then the strength is really good.
If that guy ever lists some Sansom 2.5 mm or 3 mm Validator-12, I would be hard pressed not to get it. The Validator-12 is awesome. The 2.5 mm is rated at 2000 lbs and weighs only 0.5 lbs/100'
Well, I am failry certain I am going to get some of the rope that HC4U had mentioned before from
http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d3000/e827.asp
I saw they had 7/64, but figured I would go for the slightly beefier 1/8 rope with the 1800 lb breaking str for the prussik. Seems like that size would fit, & support me. Anyone care to chime in with a reason for me NOT to go that route?
thanks!
I recently bought some of that 1/8 rope. Nice rope. Works perfect in a prussik knot on my cinch buckles. Get it cheaper here. http://www.reddenmarine.com/site/new...?id=AMRAMSTL18
The bowline knot tied at the buckle holds well.
Be sure to let us know how this works stuff with a garda hitch HC4U. It sounds great from a price, strength, weight perspective. I've tried the amsteel from APS and it doesn't hold as well as spyderline in the garda hitch.
I'm considering a suspension system where I first put up a line with nothing but two rings in the line, tensioned using the Garda hitch at each tree (rings spaced for the hammock, so between the rings would be my ridgeline). Next I would put up my tarp using prussik's on this main line. (I know it stays taught better if tied directly to the tree, but I think I get better protection if the tarp is attached to the suspension line because it stays closer to the hammock when I get it. Using a suspension rope with minimum stretch and tensioners on the tarp help minimize the tarp sag when I get in). Finally I would clip the hammock to the rings using treklight biners. This would let me put up and take down the hammock under protection of the tarp, but would still keep the tarp snug to the hammock, so I can use a smaller tarp like the stock HH with confidence. And I can pack the wet rope/tarp separately from the dry hammock.
So I'm looking for a strong, light weight rope with minimal stretch, that holds a garda hitch well. I was going to use spyderline but this stuff you've found sounds really good if it holds well in the garda hitch. I'm thinking I'll use the amsteel I already have in the middle between the rings for the ridgeline portion.
For minimum stretch and creep, a vectrus rope would be better. Dyneema doesn't stretch much, but it does stretch. Vectrus (some call it vectran) has way lower stretch and almost no creep. For that check out the Samson Validator-12. APS sells the Samson, but call it Vectrus-12. Yale also sells a vectran rope by Yale and you can get it at West Marine.. The Samson has a coating they call samthane. AngrySparrow tried it with a Garda Hitch and found it doesn't hold as well as a rope with a polyester covering. The Yale rope has a polyester covering and that should work well with a Garda Hitch.
My decision to try the garda hitch system has really gotten me looking hard at rope; trying to find the best balance between price,weight, and strength. I also want to keep the size around 3mm or about the same size as the Amsteel 12 7/64 I like so much.
TiredFeet mentioned the Validator-12 Vectran line and I looked it up. I found the 3mm Validator-12, rated at a 2700 lbs breaking strength and .6 lb/100ft, for sale here for $.54 per foot. That's kinda expensive, but it has a pretty impressive resume of specs. It is a single braid with the Samthane coating that has not shown to hold the garda hitch well, but I'm sure a slip knot or half hitch would keep things from slipping. I used a slip knot to stop slippage on the ring buckles/webbing suspension combo and it worked fine.
Another interesting canidate that I came across was the Amsteel Blue. It's described as:
.Quote:
AmSteel-Blue is a 12-Strand braided rope utilizing Parallay design with our proprietary blue Samthane coating with Dyneema® SK-75 fiber. This rope yields the maximum in strength-to-weight ratio and is stronger than wire rope constructions - yet it floats. Superior flex, fatigue and wear resistance.
The 3mm Amsteel Blue is rated at 2500 lbs breaking strength and .5lb/100ft, slightly lighter than the Validator-12, but probably not enough to matter in the small amount of rope used for suspension lines. I found the 7/64 Amsteel Blue for sale here for $.14 per foot, a winner in the price dept.
Yale Rope does make a Vetran core line with a polyester cover, Yale Crystalyne. APS no longer carries the 3mm size and I couldn't find it for sale anywhere else. It is a competitor in the weight dept. at .52 lbs/100ft but it's 1,600 lbs breaking strength is lacking as compared to the single braids.
Even the popular 3.8mm Syderline (.82 lb/100 ft, 1900 lbs breaking strength) can't compete with the specs of Amsteel Blue and Validator-12 rope.
I do plan of getting some of the Amsteel Blue 7/64 and try it out. It seems to be the best choice out of everything that I looked at. I will have to look into ways of dealing with the slipping garda hitch.
If it helps I have been using the 7/6" Armsteel sprectra line. I'm pretty happy and have not had any problems with it.
Now if only I can find cheap spectra webbing.
Ok, maybe the price isn't so bad. Yates has it for around $.40 a foot. Around $12 for my hammock setup. May have to bring this up the DIY to-buy list.
http://www.yatesgear.com/climbing/slings/index.htm
Scrow down to where it says webbing and slings.
Quote:
11mm & 14mm Dyneema Webbing: "Dyneema" webbing consists of a blend of Dyneema and Nylon fibers woven together to form a webbing that has superior properties. The bonus of Dyneema fiber is that it is stronger, lighter and absorbs less water compared to Nylon. The down side of Dyneema is that it melts at a much lower temperature than Nylon. We have developed an exclusive weave pattern for our 11mm and 14mm Dyneema webbing that maximizes the benefits of both fibers. Our weave pattern has been shown to be superior in abrasion and snagging tests. Our Unique Nylon edge weave eliminates Dyneema fibers snagging on crystals and �pulling� from the webbing!
Runner Strength 11mm webbing: 22kN.
Runner Strength 14mm webbing: 22kN.
Dyneema
ITEM# 710 $ .85/ft
11/16"
ITEM# 720 $ .40/ft
The garda hitch with bare amsteel slips because of the coating and also because it flattens out in the rings without a cover. As a result the garda hitch really is not holding anything and your back up knots are doing the work. Greggg3 suggested another hitch (munter?) that works with one ring and probably is a better choice with bare amsteel. I covered some 7/64" amsteel with paracord cover and it holds well. The cover helps the amsteel hold the round shaping and grips allowing the garda hitch to work. I had been using 2.8 spyderline but after a while the cover started tearing up with the garda hitch. I am going to try the 3.8 spyderline next time because I think the garda hitch works better with the larger sizes.Quote:
I do plan of getting some of the Amsteel Blue 7/64 and try it out. It seems to be the best choice out of everything that I looked at. I will have to look into ways of dealing with the slipping garda hitch.
I made a mistake when I said that I was gonna use the 7/64 Amsteel Blue (AB). What I meant to say is I want to get the 1/8" AB, with the 2500lbs breaking strength (7/64 is 1600 lbs breaking strength). The problem is that nobody sells the 1/8" that I could find. I found a few places that sell the 7/64, but with most places 1/4" is the smallest size they offer. I contacted Samson as well as a few other places that sell the AB to see if they offer the 1/8". If I can't find the AB in the 1/8" I will settle for the more expensive Validator-12 in the 3mm size.
As far as holding a garda hitch, I am willing to try the 1/8" and see what happens. Maybe the thicker single braid will hold the hitch better. Who knows. You say you used paracord to make a sheath for the single braid you used. During my research into cordage, one company sold a Kevlar sleeve that slid up and down a single braid line and protected it from abrasion. Maybe something like that positioned in the ring buckles would keep the single braid line from slipping.
I am also have an idea in my head about a new type of suspension using webbing as a tree hugger, one single ring per side instead of 2 (or maybe no rings at all), and a modified truckers hitch. We'll see.
I use WBG's idea of using a sheetbend to attach the rope to the webbing. You can use one ring with the bare spectra with a munter hitch that Greggg3 suggested.Quote:
I am also have an idea in my head about a new type of suspension using webbing as a tree hugger, one single ring per side instead of 2 (or maybe no rings at all), and a modified truckers hitch. We'll see.
I looked up the Munter hitch and it's listed as a belay hitch. Would that be suitable for hanging a hammock?
Less weight is what I'm shooting for.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by TiredFeet
I would like to see what Grizz is talking about. Doctari uses a system (or he did when I went to the RRG with him) that is kinda what I am thinking about trying.
Good, I was scrambling around hikehq.net looking for it myself, I remembered that TeeDee had posted about it.
On the link you just provided, it is the "carbiner hitch", except that he later suggested using an SMC ring, which is what I use.
It is an exercise in simplicity.
1. cord from hammock to be hitched to the webbing around the tree.
2. webbing goes around the tree any way you like, for this hitch the key thing is that there is a carbiner or ring at the end(s) of the webbing, and the cord from hammock passes through it.
3. you use a clove hitch or lark's head to attach an SMC ring on the cord, up near the tree.
4. after the cord passes through the webbing's carbiner the first time, you pass it back to the SMC ring hitched onto the cord, then back to the webbing's carbiner, perhaps back to the SMC ring again. The SMC ring is playing the role of the loop in a trucker's hitch.
5. Tie off the loose end with one or two half-hitches.
I typically run the cord between ring and biner 2-3 times, and the mechanical downgrading of the tension on the loose end let's me tie it off with a single slippery half hitch (through which bight I pass the loose end without tightening, Just In Case).
Grizz
As Grizz said.
I altered the method in the link. He seems to be saying to use the carabiner hitch on both ends of the hammock.
I use the carabiner hitch on only one end and a plain SMC ring hitched to the tree hugger ends on the other end since I only need the carabiner hitch on one end to adjust centering the combined ridge line and suspension and pulling tight under load.
This also makes it a little lighter than his analysis by the weight of 1 or 2 carabiners.
Really like his carabiner hitch and combined ridge line and suspension - light, very little bulk so packs away easily and easy to use.