HH shape?

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08-31-2007, 09:38
schrochem

HH shape?

Well my mind never stops thinking about all the different shapes and sizes of hammocks :D

I know some of you made your own HH clones, but never saw the template shape. I read several of the threads and saw HEs drawing but never heard what shape was actually used.
Headchange, I see how you gathered your ends but couldn't tell the shape.
I know there was talk about trapezoids, odd shaped polygons and parallelograms and then some said it's just a simple rectangle....

It appears to me that it can be viewed as a simple rectangle but there might be be an advantage to a parallelogram with a ~60deg angle.

I just don't know how it would lie with just a corner used as suspension....
Any of you asym types care to clear my head a bit? :)
08-31-2007, 10:34
lvleph

HH uses a rectangular hammock and a parallelogram shaped bug netting. The asymmetry really seems a result of the gathering (or rolling) and the tie outs from the corners of the bug netting.
08-31-2007, 10:36
headchange4u

The HH are made from a rectangular piece of fabric, just like all the other hammocks I have made. Mine was ~60' x10' using the dimensions given on the HH website. The shape aysm shape is defined by the roll whip, side tie outs, and the netting. The whipping mostly effects the way the hammock lays more than the shape. If I don't use my side tie outs the hammock looks just like a Speer. One the side tie outs come into play it takes on the HH look and shape. Ed Speer mistook my hammock for a HH when he first saw it at the last SEHHA I attended.

Arkwater experimented with a trapezoidal shaped piece of fabric. The thread is here:

http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=156

I also tried the trap. shape with some simple folding, but I prefer the roll whip to all other methods I have used so far.
08-31-2007, 11:24
Redtail

Those that have actually taken them apart found the Hennessy hammock is actually just a rectangle and the bug netting + tie-outs create the asym shape.

The hammock in HE's article actually uses parallelogram shaped fabric to create the asym shape.

I got a little confused in some of the threads because the shape terminology used was not always accurate.

You can also get an asym shape with a rectangular hammock by pulling opposite corners out a little when whipping.

I don't think any of the methods have "just a corner used as suspension".

Anyway, as far as I can tell, there are least three ways to make an asym hammock (so far):
1. Hennessy way
2. Shape of hammock fabric
3. Method of whipping

Clear as mud? ;)
08-31-2007, 11:43
Cannibal

Can someone point me in the direction of "rolled whipping" directions? I did a quick search and only found discussions about it, but no "how-to" info. Is it the same thing JJ calls "standard whipping"? That wouldn't seem to make sense to me, but heaven knows it wouldn't be the first time.
08-31-2007, 11:49
headchange4u

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannibal

Can someone point me in the direction of "rolled whipping" directions? I did a quick search and only found discussions about it, but no "how-to" info. Is it the same thing JJ calls "standard whipping"? That wouldn't seem to make sense to me, but heaven knows it wouldn't be the first time.

The roll whip it shown in the first few step of my HH clone thread I am planning to do an article/tutorial on just the doing the roll whip soon. Maybe this weekend.
08-31-2007, 11:51
Cannibal

Quote:

Originally Posted by headchange4u

The roll whip it shown in the first few step of my HH clone thread I am planning to do an article/tutorial on just the doing the roll whip soon. Maybe this weekend.

Cool, thanks! I'm planning some DIY time next week and am always looking for new things to try. That's what I love about whipped hammocks; if you don't like it, just take the 2 minutes and try it again!
08-31-2007, 11:59
headchange4u

You'll have fun with the roll whip because the number of folds/rolls per side affect the way the hammock feels and lays, sometimes drastically. I whipped my HH clone several times before I got the feel of the hammock just right.
08-31-2007, 12:24
Cannibal

In an effort to stick with this thread's theme and still get my questions answered; you said the netting has more to do with the Asym shape than the cut or whipping. Granted, I haven't read all 199 posts in the Clone thread, but how would I determine the shape of the netting without taking apart my HH?

I'm thinking, build the hammock then hang it. Then temporarily attach the netting to one side, drape it over, make my marks on the netting, and then cut to size. Is that a good way to do it, or am I missing something?
08-31-2007, 12:43
schrochem

Quote:

Originally Posted by headchange4u

The roll whip it shown in the first few step of my HH clone thread I am planning to do an article/tutorial on just the doing the roll whip soon. Maybe this weekend.

how many 'rolls' did you actually end up with?

So you just used the roll whip and added pullouts huh?
Wow. I wonder if there is any advantage to a slightly different cut.
I might just go buy some more cheap fabric......
Thanks fellas for the info.
08-31-2007, 12:43
NCPatrick

Quote:

In an effort to stick with this thread's theme and still get my questions answered; you said the netting has more to do with the Asym shape than the cut or whipping. Granted, I haven't read all 199 posts in the Clone thread, but how would I determine the shape of the netting without taking apart my HH?

I'm thinking, build the hammock then hang it. Then temporarily attach the netting to one side, drape it over, make my marks on the netting, and then cut to size. Is that a good way to do it, or am I missing something?

I made a hammock based on this design as well, and have to admit that measuring the netting was the hardest part for me. I ended up just "winging it", cutting netting to fit as needed much more than I wanted to. I got in over my head, but the result turned out ok.

I measured from one end to the other, then the max width, then took measurements from where the tie-out points would be (asym). Then tried to cut the netting to conform to all of that. Then I draped over the hammock, made marks, sewed the velcro to the proper mesh shape, and went back again and nipped and cut until it fit better, then sewed the velcro on again, draped it over the hammock again, etc. There's GOT to be a much more logical way to do this. (I'm not a logical thinker, apparently).
08-31-2007, 13:18
lvleph

Quote:

Originally Posted by schrochem

how many 'rolls' did you actually end up with?

So you just used the roll whip and added pullouts huh?
Wow. I wonder if there is any advantage to a slightly different cut.
I might just go buy some more cheap fabric......
Thanks fellas for the info.

I think I used 10 on each side, but I cannot remember for sure.
08-31-2007, 13:47
headchange4u

Quote:

Originally Posted by schrochem

how many 'rolls' did you actually end up with?

I think I ended up with 6-7 per side.
08-31-2007, 14:13
stoikurt

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Determining the shape of the netting is not nearly as difficult as most think. Basic hammock has to be made first.
Here's how I determined the dimensions.
1. Decide where to put the side tie outs. I did this by using my JRB underquilt layed over or under the hammock material flat on the ground.
2. Finish hemming the hammock bed, whip the ends, hang it and determine the length of ridge line you are comfortable with.
3. Now it's just a matter of simple triangles. Netting ridgeline distance the length of ridgeline where it comes out of the whipping or out from under any hammock material if you sewed the ends together like in the tutorial.
4. Measure from that same point down each side to side tie outs for the other sides.
5. You now have the length of all three sides of triangle for each side of the hammock.
6. I used a piece of WalMart dollar material that I could write on with a pen or marker to make a pattern.
7. Draw the ridgeline on the pattern.
8. Use a piece of string, wire, board or whatever you can marked the same lengths as the other 2 side dimensions. Lay each of these measurement on the pattern at the ends of the ridgeline length and adjust them until their respective lengths intersect.
9. Do the same for the other side of the netting making sure to mark for the asym shape.
10. Allow about an extra inch all the way around for hemming of the netting.

http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/a...1&d=1188587492
08-31-2007, 20:26
NCPatrick

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoikurt

Determining the shape of the netting is not nearly as difficult as most think. Basic hammock has to be made first.
Here's how I determined the dimensions.
1. Decide where to put the side tie outs. I did this by using my JRB underquilt layed over or under the hammock material flat on the ground.
2. Finish hemming the hammock bed, whip the ends, hang it and determine the length of ridge line you are comfortable with.
3. Now it's just a matter of simple triangles. Netting ridgeline distance the length of ridgeline where it comes out of the whipping or out from under any hammock material if you sewed the ends together like in the tutorial.
4. Measure from that same point down each side to side tie outs for the other sides.
5. You now have the length of all three sides of triangle for each side of the hammock.
6. I used a piece of WalMart dollar material that I could write on with a pen or marker to make a pattern.
7. Draw the ridgeline on the pattern.
8. Use a piece of string, wire, board or whatever you can marked the same lengths as the other 2 side dimensions. Lay each of these measurement on the pattern at the ends of the ridgeline length and adjust them until their respective lengths intersect.
9. Do the same for the other side of the netting making sure to mark for the asym shape.
10. Allow about an extra inch all the way around for hemming of the netting.

http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/a...1&d=1188587492

See, I knew there was a logical way to approach it, I just had no idea what I was doing... and none of this occured to me until I got stuck at that point in the construction. Of course, it was my first diy hammock... :rolleyes: