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Love my HG Phoenix 20* with 2 oz. overstuff. It's served me in temps from 74* F to 15 degrees. However, I want a full-length 0* Incubator for Christmas. I can't decide if I want overstuff or not.
The Phoenix should be good to 10 degrees (24.5 oz), and my initial inclination is to get some overstuff in the Incubator (28.5 oz) to lower my temp range. Is 2 or 4 oz overstuff overkill, or can I still use the Incubator in temps up to 50 or 60 degrees?
I'm torn on the overstuff.
I just picked up a 0 degree incubator with no overstuff.. stormcrow says that he knows guys who camp in a 0 all year long..if your worried about weight and size my buddy just picked up a incubator with 4oz over stuff..not much weight and size deff to me.. but im not realy a gram weenie lol..
for me i have a DIY that takes me down to high 30s and low 40s then the incubator will kick it .. this set up should be great for all 4 seasons were i live ..
I have a zero phincubator.. No doubt 50 degrees and lower is do able..
When it is warmer you don't need a top quilt or not much anyway..If you aren't trapping the heat from the uq. (tq) it doesn't bake you...A thing of beauty........:shades:
Just picked up my 0 degree incubator with the 4 oz of overstuff, the way I see it is i can always cool off but if i don't have enough I am miserable when I get cold. This thing should go to -10 I would think.
I didn't go with any overstuff in my 20* Pheonix. It has not yet been cold enough in my piece of the forest to find the lower limits. I know I am toasty warm into the mid 40's though. Looking forward to some cool fall nights. I would be interested to know what kind of difference over stuffing really makes. If the standard stuff is enough to fully inflate the baffles, then stuffing more fluff in there will add weight, but not warmth as it cannot trap more air than the baffles would allow.
Am I thinking along the right path here?
After talking with Adam at HG he told me that adding the overstuff will help keep the down from migrating in the chambers and also gives a bit of additional loft.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrsaMajor1887
I give my quilts a shake before deploying them hopping to minimize the "migration" factor. If your down is clumping up or migrating, cold spots would be a problem at the lower temps. I am not sure about bang for the buck on the "bit of extra loft" or the additional weight. I, like many, have paid a price to shave an oz. If 1 oz got me 5 more degrees of comfort, I would consider it, especially if I were doing the winter camping thing. For three season, not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mountnman
When I talked with Adam about over stuffing in my quilts, he seemed fairly neutral about it, but based on what I was asking about thought I would be just fine with the standard stuff.
Well I am sure that you are pleased with your purchase as am I.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrsaMajor1887
I am also adding a top quilt to my gear - I am under 6', but thick in the shoulders- any recommendations regarding extra length or width? How about sewn footbox vs snap?
If under 6 ft then I would not worry about extra length, but I as well have wide shoulders and would recommend a wide model. So that you can tuck it down around you and it will stay put.Quote:
Originally Posted by OCDave
What is your underquilt?
Just recently replaced my therma-rest pad with a 20* Incubator from HG. I cannot express how pleased I am with this switch. In 20 years of camping, this is my most satisfying gear purchase.
I will buy a 20* burrow this week. Probably wide, with snaps (?).
I went with the sewn foot box on my 20* Burrow and couldn't be happier. If I were going with a 40* then I would have gone for the snaps as I didn't see myself opening up the bottom of the quilt in the cooler weather.
I went with 2oz overstuff on my 0* incubator and I'm really pleased with how it lofts. Overstuff can also help stop loosing heat through the quilt if its windy/draughty.
My 20* burrow has a snap footbox because I like to sleep with one leg bent and thought that being able to unsnap a couple might help with coverage. I haven't tried a sewn footbox to compare, but the snap option works well.
I went with 2oz overstuff on the burrow too. It's a great quilt.
I've got a Wilderness Logics 3/4 that's pretty similar to the Phoenix 20 degree. I'd really like to completely eliminate the use of a pad since it's difficult to carry on my bike. For those with an Incubator, do you need a pad at all?
OP:
Glad to assume there's been some drying out on the Jersey Shore; and freedom from voluntary cold in voluntary temporary shelter is the subject.
You are looking at a lot of bulk, even when packed. Is all that even the most compact way of keeping your lower legs warm? And, aren't you tall enough to be tempted by getting a long, which will be bulkier, still? Will there be room for all of it under your UL winter-shelter cuben tarp>
But, "'tis the weekend.....".
Maybe much-overstuffed 0F UQs rarely comes up for sale, pre-owned, because they're keepers for those who have been cold.
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On over-stuffing: If lightly-compacted down doesn't lose much insulating effect, then there must be and indeed is an insulating effect not accounted for just by loft, the air-space.
Decided to go with 2 oz. overstuff on the Incubator. I'm very happy with the 20* Phoenix w/2 oz. overstuff, so I think I want to maintain the separation in capabilities. I know I can get to 15 degrees with the Phoenix from experience, so now I'm pretty sure I can get to -10 with the Incubator.
I'm not a gram weenie, but as Opie says, I do see the merits. A couple of ounces ain't gonna rock my world, and should give me a good range of satisfaction/warmth I'll enjoy.