Warbonnet web suspension

I used my WBBB for the first time this weekend. I decided to try the webbing suspension that came with it, then if I didn't like it, I had some ENO slap straps pro in reserve.

The ENOs are going back! The webbing that came with the BB is absolutely fine. I experienced little to no stretch. And the small 1100 lb.-rated carabiners they supply are absolutely fine, too. I had full confidence in the stability and holding power.

You can fine-tune your adjustments very easily with this suspension system. So anyone wondering about it--there you go!

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Originally Posted by UrbanWild

I used my WBBB for the first time this weekend. I decided to try the webbing suspension that came with it, then if I didn't like it, I had some ENO slap straps pro in reserve.

The ENOs are going back! The webbing that came with the BB is absolutely fine. I experienced little to no stretch. And the small 1100 lb.-rated carabiners they supply are absolutely fine, too. I had full confidence in the stability and holding power.

You can fine-tune your adjustments very easily with this suspension system. So anyone wondering about it--there you go!

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I agree. Not sure why everyone switches to whoopie slings?? I hope I can make it to a "Hang" this winter so I can see a set-up with whoopies to see what all the hype is about.

I also agree. I love the WBBB strap setup. The only reason I switched to whoopies and straps is because I often hang in trees that have sap on them, and I like to have a suspension that detaches and can be stored separately. Can't handle sap on the hammock.

Slap straps are nylon and they stretch a fair bit. Even if the WB suspension didn't work out, you are better off returning them regardless.

I hiked with a girl this summer who had this system.
It took her less than me to set up my Hennesey with whoopies. :eek:

So much so, I thought I would trade for a WBB.
But I am going to go with the Darien UL by Papa Smurf.

There are many ways to skin the hammock cat.
Much of it is preference.

I just got my BB this past week, and MAN, the suspension seems 1000 times better than the stock Hennessy system. My son has a HH Cub that I'm going to upgrade the suspension on. I was just about to make a similar post about why people go for whoopie slings over the webbing system.

I've tried whoopies and also the Single Ring Suspension with Amsteel. I went back to the web and buckles I bought from Warbonnet. So much easier and the web and buckle setup is only 1 measly ounce heavier than whoopies with tree straps. I bundle up my hammock and then put the webbing into a separate pocket that I attached to the outside of my hammock bag.

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Originally Posted by weaver2469

The only reason I switched to whoopies and straps is because I often hang in trees that have sap on them, and I like to have a suspension that detaches and can be stored separately. Can't handle sap on the hammock.

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The trees we used were loaded with sap, but amazingly I didn't get any on my straps. I brought ziplock bags to shove them into afterwards in case I did though.

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Originally Posted by weaver2469

I also agree. I love the WBBB strap setup. The only reason I switched to whoopies and straps is because I often hang in trees that have sap on them, and I like to have a suspension that detaches and can be stored separately. Can't handle sap on the hammock.

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Can't you just remove the entire straps from the buckles and store separately to prevent sap from getting on the hammock?


I too am back to webbing and descender rings - after going to whoopies, then back to webbing and rings, then back to whoopies, now back to webbing and rings :lol:

I unthread my straps from the buckles every time. I don't see why some folks make a deal about it. It takes a millisecond to rethread them.

Yep... I really like Brandons setup.. .. I rekon a lot of us like the fiddle factor, me included, but as of now I see no reason for whoopies yet.. Maybe tomorrow......:laugh:

I started with 550 cord and had no problems or stretching at all. Easy and simple way to hang a hammock if you ask me. Now I have a WBBB and use the the webbing it came with. Again no problems and or stretching. Have not needed to venture into the Whoopie World yet. Probably wont need to.

I put whoopies on the hammock I made and subsequently am giving to my Brother. My RR came with the buckle set up, and I can't really figure out how a whoopie/tree strap set up is going to be much if any lighter. I'd be interested to see some numbers on what an average, ready to rock whoopie set up weighs including dowels or w/e to hold the marlin spike. I can provide the WB suspension weight. The suspension with the rings and cont loop on it weighs 6.5oz.

Yup, web+buckles forever for me! I never thought about unthreading the webbing. It all stays together for me, just shove the whole thing into the stuff sack and I'm done.

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Originally Posted by Latch

I agree. Not sure why everyone switches to whoopie slings?? I hope I can make it to a "Hang" this winter so I can see a set-up with whoopies to see what all the hype is about.

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Whoopie slings are much lighter and are just as quick to adjust.

All a matter if taste and bulk in the pack.

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Originally Posted by CB200T

I'd be interested to see some numbers on what an average, ready to rock whoopie set up weighs including dowels or w/e to hold the marlin spike.

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My 6 foot whoopie slings, attached directly to the hammock, with 5 ft tree straps and aluminum arrow shaft toggles, weigh only 1 ounce less than my web and buckles. As for bulk, the whoopies may have an advantage there - but not much since you need a pair of tree straps to go with it.
I keep going back to web and buckles - haven't found anything I like better.

I switched out my straps to a whoopie setup. Partly because of the ease of storing them separately from the hammock (due to tree sap or getting wet).

Also, it sounds like it's just me, but while the buckles aren't necessarily hard to adjust, I find that whoopies tend to be easier, especially when there's a bit of weight on the system from the hammock, attached quilts, etc.

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Originally Posted by Passinthru

My 6 foot whoopie slings, attached directly to the hammock, with 5 ft tree straps

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I have the same setup using Dynaglide and 900# straps.
The suspension total weight for both ends of the hammock is 3.1 oz. this will accommodate 18" diameter trees with 20' of clear space between them.

I have tried every buckle system out there and find them all to be a pain in the fingers to adjust. I would go with whoopies even if they were heavier.

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Originally Posted by MAD777

I have tried every buckle system out there and find them all to be a pain in the fingers to adjust.

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+1. My fingers can never seem to move the buckles and allow things to slide quite as easily as I've seen on the videos. Whoopies are much easier to adjust for me.

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Originally Posted by breyman

+1. My fingers can never seem to move the buckles and allow things to slide quite as easily as I've seen on the videos. Whoopies are much easier to adjust for me.

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This is one point that Brandon and I disagree on. I do not like the buckles; not even a little bit. They are a constant challenge for me to make adjustments. My fingers have all been broken at least once, so they don't always want to work so good; particularly when it's cold out, which is one of my favorite times to go out. I've tried, really hard, to like them...no luck!

Whoopies are nice and I use them semi-frequently. Primarily, I reserve them for times when I'm concerned about weight. Any gram in a storm. I've never had a problem with them and adjustments are relatively easy to make. Not to mention that making them quickly becomes addictive.

However, after playing, futzing, and messing around with every suspension system out there, I've gone back to the second system I ever used: rings and webbing. This method is by far the easiest to adjust for me. Yes sure, it requires a backup knot that takes all of 1.3 seconds to tie, but adjustments happen even quicker. The weight is greater than the buckles, but not enough to be of any consequence to me. Also, because of the rounded edge of the descending rings, there is never any chance at all of nicking or catching the webbing on an edge. The webbing moves through them just as smooth as butter, which is why you need the backup knot. :lol:

Folks ask me if I have any totally 'stock' hammocks. I usually say "Yes, I just got a new one last week and just haven't had time to switch out the suspension yet." This is often the only change I make to hammocks, but I almost always make it. Long live Rings and Webbing!

I love me whoopies and Marlin Spike hitch :)
Personally, I've never liked the way buckles pinched the webbing in one spot.
I've had some rings shear through some cheap polypro webbing from Fabricland (that was lesson #4: don't buy cheap webbing).
...But then I admire the simplicity of Brandon's webbing buckles. I can shove my dirty/sappy straps in a tube/pouch sewn on the outside of the stuff sack, quick and easy.
Wet straps are probably the biggest "ick" factor. I don't like anything damp or wet on the inside of my pack.
Rethreading the buckles each time means that wet straps can be carried in an outside pocket.
Rethreading also means that the strap can be looped around the tree and through its own eye loop without the need for a carabiner.
Has anyone skipped the dutch clip/carabiner and threaded the straps through the eye loop? For some people, pulling all that 4.2m through can be a pain; however, if you double it over once or twice things will go faster (technique over technology).
...but then I don't like how hard it is to loosen buckles when there's some weight in the hammock (whoopies are easy in this regard, amsteel being easier than dynaglide)
...but then it's just a matter of technique. If you don't load up your hammock until your hang is adjusted, you can loosen the buckles easily; however, this is a problem for those that leave their sleeping bag/quilt in their hammock and use one large bag for everything.

Different strokes for different folks...and setups.

DT

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Originally Posted by Deep Thought

Rethreading also means that the strap can be looped around the tree and through its own eye loop without the need for a carabiner.
DT

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Good point - save a little weight, a little bulk, and keep things clean. I like it. :)