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Just wanted to get some feed back from others out there that have a bridge style hammock about UQ's. I just ordered my BMBH and was wondering how well my 3 season incubator by stormcrow will fit on it or if I'm gonna suffer from some drafting issues.
Also if the incubator will fit it do I need to modify how it will be attached since the construction of the hammock is totally different.
Thanks in advance
Ryvr
I would like to add to the above. How do the 3/4 underquilts (Yeti and Crowsnest) work on the bridge hammocks
Works fine stock with some finagling.
However, Rip and I came up with a nice workaround for attaching his winter Incubator to his BMBH at the OHang this past weekend that involves some slight modding to the shock cord.
There are 4 grosgrain loops on the corners of the Incubator. You attach some lengths of shock cord with some microbiners (or the JRB UQ suspension) to the corner tabs and treat it like a JRB quilt by attaching it to the 4 attachment points on the BMBH. The only downfall to this is that the stock Incubator shockcord is now digging slightly into the head and foot end of the BMBH just by the nature of the design. To solve this, cut the stock UQ suspension and tie dead eyes in them with an overhand knot or figure of eight. You now have a length of suspension running through your left side of your UQ and a length of suspension running through the right side of your UQ. Clip the deadeyes to your microbiners on your UQ so as not to lose them inside the channel and you're set.
If you want to use the UQ with a gathered end hammock, simply bring the dead eyes together on the head end and microbiner together bring the dead eyes together on your foot end and microbiner together and attach to your suspension.
Rip mentioned posting pics when we got back to make this explanation a bit easier to visualize.
If you could send me a link to those pics that would be very helpful. When you mention cutting the shock cord your only talking about the stuff running head to toe and not the cord that runs shoulder to shoulder at either end of the stormcrow underquilt?
tendertoe said it about right, however, yesterday i made a quick change, but have not yet tested it to its full potential.
it still involves cutting the stock incubator - or any single loop uq suspension - as mentioned, giving you the two separate lengths of shockcord along the sides of the quilt. tie deadeyes into the each of the ends, & attach micro biner.
the new test ditches the jrb suspension system or the need to use the grosgrain corner tabs - on the incubator at least -. instead, just clip the micro biner to the newly formed deadeye of shockcord and attach to the metal ring on the corner of the bmbh - where the spreader bar attaches.
creates a true "suspension bridge" and the quilt runs right along the edge of the hmmk. tightening the now separate uq suspension lines will create a tighter seal... and will take a bit of "becking", or fiddling to dial it in.
i will say,,, utilizing the corner tabs on the incubator really does stretch the quilt lengthwise on the bmbh to fit- as described in tendertoes post. the incubator at least has a tendency to want to scrunch towards the middle. so... hyoh per usual, but just another option and ....
YES, it works quite nicely!
i will try to get some pics... am in the midst of a move.. so its crazy over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryvr
and no... do not cut the shoulder to shoulder shock cord... just the main suspension running head to foot.
***i did loosen up the shoulder to shoulder shockcord all the way, creates a nice tight fit right along the bmbh
While it hasn't been tried yet, should work with any single line suspension UQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ewker
I just run the shock cord over the spreader bar ends, and tie a loop in the shock cord off where needed to properly suspend the quilt.
thats what i did first. just didn't like the way the spreader bars were digging into the shockcord. seemed to create a lot of tension and possible wear with extended use.Quote:
Originally Posted by fin
Both are very good idea's, I will likely try them both to see which will be a more longterm solution. I can always replace the shock cord after I cut it if I dont like the way it works.
One last question, the incubator tapers differently at either end. Did you find the coverage at you feet and shoulders to be adequate on the Bridge Style setup?
i was a little nervous about that too, but its not that dramatic of a taper. the nature of the bridge puts you in that minimal "bathtub" and the incubator offers generous coverage at the head and foot end. its the same length as the jrb uq's and fits perfectly along the entire bottom of the bmbh. just make sure you loosen the shoulder to shoulder shockcord.
in general, i enjoy the way uq's fit the bridge style hmmks more than gathered ends. less fiddle factor. no slippage. set it and forget it.
While this won't help any of you with existing incubator UQs or others, I emailed Stormcrow and was told that they've change the design of the incubator slightly to better accommodate bridge style hammocks.
I don't have the details of the exact modification, but it was encouraging news.
Cheers
Brian
I have no personal experience with the Incubator or it's suspension and dimensions.
But using a MW4 on a BMBH, I am aware that the connection is quite unique compared to any other hammock/quilt system I use, and works wonderfully. If you can get the Inc. connected in a similar fashion, being very careful of any possible fabric stress when 1st laying in it, you should do it.
http://www.jacksrbetter.com/UQ%20Installation.htm
Notice what is unique with the BMBH/quilt connection compared to all others I know of: the suspension is NOT even connected to the quilt! The gros grain loops at the corners of the BMBH go through the loops on the JRB quilts, then the elastic suspension biners are connected to the HAMMOCK!
http://www.jacksrbetter.com/DSC00651...eb%20Small.JPG
http://www.jacksrbetter.com/DSC00654...eb%20Small.JPG
It seems to me the suspension serves very little, if any, function with this set up. If you pull down on the quilt, it can only go so far ( very little) because it is limited by the loops on the hammock. To move the quilt very far, you would have to- kind of- pull the loops off of the hammock. In other words the quilt is set at the correct distance from the hammock without regard to any(too much or too little) elastic tension or stretch. Again, quite unique.
As opposed to the normal "adjusting" of the elastic suspension to obtain just enough- but not too much- tension. And the occasional concerns that you see here with suspension adjustment loosening up on a cold night. Though admittedly I have never seen that problem with the JRB suspension for some reason. Still, it is nigh on to impossible to mess up the suspension adjustment of a JRB MW4 on a BMBH. Just attach it and your done, except maybe for a slight tweaking of the nylon cords on the ends to close any slight end gaps. But really, I think you are still OK even if you ignore that, it will be pretty darn close!
Now can you do this with an Incubator/BMBH? The corner loops ( if they exist) on the Inc. will have to line up pretty close to the loops on the BMBH. Plus the dimensions of the Inc will need to be pretty close to the MW so that it will hang a small distance- but not too much- below the BMBH before you get in, and then snug up just right after you get in. I guess some added loops on the quilt would be an easy way- if needed- of getting the hammock and quilt loops to line up.
If you can connect this way, I highly recommend it. But, I think I would leave one corner un-attached as I got in the 1st time. Then have some one pull that final corner up to the last loop, just to see that things fit right with out over stressing any fabric.
i think 3/4 UQ work better with a bridge hammock then with a gathered end hammock ...
less fiddling needed .... i really need to order poles for my DIY bridge :rolleyes:
yeah stormcrow puts corner loops on his quilts, much like the jacks do. but, stormcrows loops are not quite as beefy, because i don't feel he intended them to be used as the primary suspension. i could be wrong though???:confused:
the jacks stuff is built for the jacks stuff. its no wonder they have a quilt called the hudson river, which runs under the bear mountain bridge.;)
as stated.. be cautious when attaching directly to the corner tabs using the jacks method. this allows no "safety stretch" provided by attaching to shockcord.
again, it can be done. and be done multiple ways. look at it. beck it. use your imagination. hop in and get warm. i love my bmbh!!
**incubator: 78″ long, 44″ wide
**mw4: 77" long 42" inches wide
**hudson river: 78" long 48" wide
I've used both a JRB MW3 and a Phoenix 3/4 on a couple of bridge hammocks and a WBBB. It's all in shock cording it properly. On the JRB I ran my own sc through the sides and on the Phoenix/incubator it had some already installed so I cut the loop and made two individual shock corded sides as had been suggested. On the 3/4 I added extra short cords of different lengths on front and back corners to keep the quilt in position. Works great.
Here is my 1/2 UQ FrankenQuilt on my GrizzBridge....... seals very well!
Shug
http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_2058.jpg
I wrap my shockcord for the UQ around the spreaders.....
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