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I am looking for the best type of webbing. Nylon, Polyester, or Polypropylene.
I know Speer sells polypro and I think nylon stretches, so how about Polyester?
Also do you think I could get away with skinnier tree huggers than the standard 1 inch? 3/4rths maybe...5/8ths......1/2 possibly?
Hi,
I use 1" polyester webbing for all my hammocks. Very little stretch and holds up really well. I get it from Strapworks which is a great company to deal with and he ships really fast.
Bruce
I use 1" polypro... I wouldn't do nylon because of stretch and it's strength gets halved when it's wet... I only really went with polypro because I would have had to order the polyester
i think polyester gets the highest rating from all the discussion i've read here.
and one good source i'm planning to order my next webbing from is OWF.
their polyester is lighter than some of the others.
nothing scientific, just my opinion but i don't plan to use any thing less than 1" wide webbing.
3/4" might be ok but the smaller you get, the closer you get to the effect of rope on tree.
plus, you'd have to pay more $ to get an acceptable strength, & at a very small reduction in weight & bulk.
dutch, 3/4 would probably work, still alot better than rope, but it is harder to find. i ordered lots of samples, and i found the 2000# owf camo 1" polyester that slowhike was talking about is about as light as you'd want to go. i tried 1700# 1500# and 1300#,1100#. and they all had much more noticable stretch than the owf webbing which stretches very very little. they will hold your weight just fine though. the strapworks is the only one that stretches less, but is almost twice as heavy. the owf is not much heavier than the lighter ones, but stretches alot less. it may have something to do with a different weave than all the others, as it is stronger # for # as well.
basically if you can find 1/2 or 3/4" that's strong enough, it will probably end up being about the same weight as the owf.
as far as i know, there are no spectra webbings that are any lighter than the owf. www.apsltd.com has some, but i think it's heavier, and www.yates.com has some 13mm, and i know it's heavier. the owf weighs 6.125 g/ft if you want to try looking, but lighter polyester may very likely give alot more stretch than the owf or strapworks.
I also use OWF woodland green camo 1" ployester. Weighs about the same as Speer polypro.
Wow, thanks for the great advise everybody.
How strong is that one inch stuff from Speer?
i believe it's rated at 700lbs. that's probably conservative but i did break a length of it one time at hot springs. i was using two trees that were quite a bit farther apart than i normally use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Take-a-knee
ed said he had never seen it break like that. maybe it was just one of those unusual circumstances were the webbing was below par?
Slowhike, did it break at a knot? I weigh 170#, do you weigh more than that?
I was thinking of making my own treehuggers from this stuff with an SMC ring sewn into one end.
i think heavyweight polypro is rated at around 800#.Quote:
Originally Posted by Take-a-knee
no, it just broke in the middle. but it was spanning quite a distance. i don't remember how far, i just remember that i was trying to use two trees that put my hammock in a good orientation & it was a lot farther than normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Take-a-knee
but i just told about that to be strait forward about your question. i've never herd of any body else breaking the speer webbing.
it could have just been a defect in that piece of webbing.
i don't think there would be any problem what so ever w/ you using it for tree huggers. that would be less demanding than covering the distance from tree to hammock.
i weighed about 195 then. i've past the 200 mark since then. i got to get back out there to hiking:eek:
Thanks guys, I plan to try Teedee's idea of an SMC ring clove hitched onto the hennessy rope with another ring on the end of the tree hugger. The second ring will allow you to easily tighten the rope and take pressure off of the lashing/knot.
how do you tell if a strap is nylon or polypro? i have eno slapstraps and i have the original treehuggers that came with my hh. but i dont know what they are.
Dont know exactly how to tell the difference between the two but both of those are made of nylon and they stretch quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyquest
I need to replace my HH tree huggers. What would you guys recommend for the length of the tree huggers? Strapworks is cheap so I believe I can afford to get enough :-)
-what does OWF stand for anyways?
www.owfinc.com/Hardware/Shardware/webbing.aspQuote:
Originally Posted by aceatc
I recommend replacing the tree huggers for good. Never liked them. I use the owf woodland green camo webbing (12' per side) attached to a carabiner and adjusted with a cinch buckle.
12 feet on both ends!?
$10 for 60 inches. That's cheaper than strapworks?
Yes on both ends. It's .91 cents per yard.Quote:
Originally Posted by aceatc
Strapworks are like $0.51 per yard for 1' polypro. If you bought polyester at OWF it would be cheaper, not by much.
How did you get .91?
$10.21 for 60 inches. That's $2 a foot or $6 a yard.
am I looking at the wrong page?
(what's the difference between retail and wholesale anyways?)
The webbing I bought is polyester, not polypropylene. It stretched less than the polyprpylene. Price is not my concern here.Quote:
Originally Posted by aceatc
OWF sells by the yard
Strapworks sells by the foot
So for 1" polyster owf is about .30/ft and strapworks is .38/ft
I recently got the poly straps from owf. They do stretch a little, but I'm used to the Strapworks stuff which is **** near bombproof. The weight difference is pretty substantial. I haven't put it on the scale to compare, but the difference is noticeable just holding both. Good stuff!
what about those of us....okay, me...who dont sew? who can we get nylon from that is already sewn? any entra...entrahpaner....any businessmen out there?
Strapworks will do it for you if you ask when you order. I don't know about owf. My first set got sewn at the local alterations shop; it cost me $9 to have it done and took about 15 minutes.
Strapworks will sew the loops for you for a fee. You have to call or e-mail them about that. Forget nylon. It stretches too much. Speer will sew the loops in the Polypro webbing for a fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyquest
If you go with the owf polyester webbing, you could have your local seamstress sew them for you.
I highly recommend polyester webbing. The Harbor Freight webbing that I use has been used on several outings now and shows no signs of wear. I got to see some of the OWF camo polyester webbing this weekend and I will be placing an order with them soon to replace the bright yellow HF straps.
Warbonnetguy,
I'm looking for 3/4" polyester webbing to use as side suspension webbing for bridge hammock like JRB describes they use in their Bear Mountain Bridge. In the bridge hammock thread you said you ordered samples of 3/4" polyester. Do you know of a good source? Would 3/4" polypropylene from OWF work as well? Would 1/2" be too weak?
Thanks.
If I was buying webbing specifically for hammock tree straps I'd not go smaller than 1" and I think the OWF green polyester is the one to choose if you're ordering.
Personally I like wider widths, but then there's the weight. So most trees in my areas are smaller (well under 2' diameter) so I carry short wide straps... About 4' of 2" wide per end.
ok, dumb question. i like the eno slapstraps. can just anyone sew that setup or do i need to do something special to get it done in poly?
You can make a slapstrap of sorts out of the Hennessy line itself. Just tie one half of a fisherman's knot up near the hammock, then feed the end of the hammock line through the knot and finish the fishermans knot, completing a large loop. Then tie figure-eight knots at 6in intervals. This will shorten your hammock line by about 60%, get some more spectra and tie a sling to make up the length.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyquest
velly intellesting. do you have pics? also, what does all that knot tying do to the strength of the hammock line?
Hey, found some webbing at Wally's world! Except, it doesn't say what it's made of... and it's in a package.:mad:
Doesn't look like nylon, but I'm not gonna chance that.
Johnny, a double fisherman's knot is nearly a 100% strength knot (that is why fisherman use them for leaders) and the figure-eight has about a 75-80% knot strength ( do not use an overhand knot, it is a lot weaker). Remember, you are doubling most of the rope also.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyquest