Dutch in Wikipedia

I have been spending a little time at Wikipedia updating the article there on hammock camping. I even managed to give a mention to Dutch's Tarp Flyz, along with Triangle Thingies, Whoopie Slings, 2QZQ mod, Dutch Clips, self-tensioning line and even SnakeSkins. Please feel free to check out and improve the article. If anyone here is a contributor there I tried to get the graphic from Whoopieslings (the cool one showing the basic hammock setup) on there but even with their permission to use Wiki is really hard to work with when dealing with copyright. Could use some help.

The article is at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammock...ng#Suspension_

And to finally give a little respect to Dutch from all of us, you may want to check out,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Dutch

Yep, I think Dutch has been such an innovator here he deserves to be immortalized. Personally, I don't want to made immortal through my work, I want to be made immortal through not dying.

Hangandy,

Great write up! Just for giggles I went into Wiki and added the picture from our website. Not that I know what I'm doing or anything but it is on there even though it may not be in the format you desire. Reformatting is beyond my current knowledge level of how to work with Wiki. Maybe you can tweak where need be.

Thanks!

I'll check it out. But before I do, you may also want to check out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Dutch

Dutch is now immortalized!

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Originally Posted by Hangandy

I'll check it out. But before I do, you may also want to check out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Dutch

Dutch is now immortalized!

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Should you check with Dutch about this to see if he is okay with it ? Just asking.

Yikes, I never thought about it. :(In reality, I know WP would see him as fair game, but us hammockers are a whole lot more courteous so I should have known better. Next thing his designs will be on Wikileaks.

I just emailed him.

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Originally Posted by Hangandy

Yikes, I never thought about it. :(In reality, I know WP would see him as fair game, but us hammockers are a whole lot more courteous so I should have known better. Next thing his designs will be on Wikileaks.

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Another thought. Maybe you should PM him. I thought the hammock article was well done but I know how I feel about internet privacy ( I don't subscribe to Facebook or even like it.). I just think it would be better to talk to Dutch.

I'm flattered of course. You really don't want me to have a bigger ego though. I would think there is so many people on here more deserving. Don't take it down though I have to link it to my facebook page. Those people thing I'm just normal.

Hey Dutch,

Glad you like it. I was just a little concerned about someone else posting that without checking with you. All is good now.:)

good write up Handandy! :)

I knew you would approve, especially since you were quoted as being the world's greatest hiker. What I was worried about was that there was no reference to dark chocolate or 5th Grade Vicky. Kind of like a bio on JFK w/o Marilyn Munroe in there.

Maybe someone should see about adding Shug and Grizzly. They have had some amount of input.

I was thinking about Shug next, and then Grizzly. Only problem is I'm not sure there would be enough room for both his storied biography AND his contributions to hammocking.
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Originally Posted by Hangandy

I was thinking about Shug next, and then Grizzly. Only problem is I'm not sure there would be enough room for both his storied biography AND his contributions to hammocking.
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.....I have done nothing but make some videos.
Shug

Oh, come now, Shug.

From what I have seen you have done lots!

You have been an advocate and promoter for the nasal irrigator industry. You play both the bluegrass mandolin and guitar with amazing adeptness. You are fluent in 20 different dialects. You are a poster boy for the cultures and traditions of the great Irish Free State. And from what I have heard, you are an outlaw in Peru, you bat 400 left-handed, you can make five-minute brownies in 2 minutes. You are a veteran in love, you have been the first responder and won the Tarp Flyz, you can hurl hatchets with deadly accuracy, and that once, armed only with a glass of water, you saved a small African village from a horde of ferocious French-speaking penguins.:boggle:

So please, don't be so humble, you're not that great!

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Originally Posted by Hangandy

Oh, come now, Shug.

From what I have seen you have done lots!

You have been an advocate and promoter for the nasal irrigator industry. You play both the bluegrass mandolin and guitar with amazing adeptness. You are fluent in 20 different dialects. You are a poster boy for the cultures and traditions of the great Irish Free State. And from what I have heard, you are an outlaw in Peru, you bat 400 left-handed, you can make five-minute brownies in 2 minutes. You are a veteran in love, you have been the first responder and won the Tarp Flyz, you can hurl hatchets with deadly accuracy, and that once, armed only with a glass of water, you saved a small African village from a horde of ferocious French-speaking penguins.:boggle:

So please, don't be so humble, you're not that great!

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I surely do love my hammock....keeps me still, very still.
Cool there is some hamm-wiki fill.

Hey folks, except for Shug's birthdate and location I'm a bit scarce on his personal information. If I'm going to Wiki him it should be grounded in fact, so if any of his closer friends here have relevant (and un-embarrassing) factoids about him, such as occupation, family history, or other camping involvements, please PM me.

Sorry, Shug. Wikipedia prefers secondary sources, please don't send me your resume'. :)

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Originally Posted by Shug

I surely do love my hammock....keeps me still, very still.
Cool there is some hamm-wiki fill.

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Alright, I'll add gifted poet.:lol:

JustJeff should have a huge Wiki....his stuff got me started.

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Originally Posted by Shug

JustJeff should have a huge Wiki....his stuff got me started.

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Second that!
After all, Hammock Forums is JustJeff's fault. Not to mention all the brain cells I used up going through his personal hammock site. Course, JJ will probably assign some fault to Risk for all his early efforts. Wonder who inspired the inspiring people?

Good Job Glad Dutch Approves!!

Great thoughts on including JustJeffs. JustJeffs and Hammock Forums were already referenced a while ago (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammock_camping). I wanted to add Dutch because he didn't seem to be mentioned there. And IMO the uniqueness of Shug's video series is also worthy of special treatment there. Jeff, Grizz, and Sgt. Rock are all prominent pioneers and contributors, but Shug has become somewhat of a guru (as much about cool factor as it is influence). Think of Jeff, Grizz, and Rock as the founding Fathers and Shug as sort of JFK. I think Shug has already mentioned his work relies heavily on the insights and frameworks provided by Jeff and Grizz.

But if I have time, I'll make sure to drop an article in on them as well.:)

I'm honored to be thought of as a pioneer but there are some notable names missing from the list, due no doubt to them having better self-control over posting on HF than I have....

Ed Speers. Wrote the book on hammock camping. Literally. Did a solo kayaking trip in Alaska in the 1970's hanging from a hammock (up out of the reach of bears, he says...)

Tom Hennessy. C'mon, you don't have to like him but I think you do need to respect him. Surely responsible for bringing hammock camping closer to main stream than anyone else.

Youngblood. Conceived and designed the first differential cut UQ, the Speer Snugfit. See the impact that insight had on quilt design.

Guy with internet name of "Risk". I was all over his stuff when I was first coming up to speed on this.

The Jacks. With their hammocking quilt business they opened the eyes of many---self included---to a completely different way of camping on the trail.

And these are only the guys I know were active before I started tinkering with hammocks. And I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

I concur with the suggestion you ask before you wikitize. Different folks have different sensitivities w.r.t. privacy.

I agree with you on Speer, Hennessey, Risk, et al. My first main hammock was a Hennessey (still have 2 I use). On the Hammock Camping page at Wiki his hammock is featured quite prominently (the only images are of his hammocks). I wonder if it wouldn't be better to add a section there on early pioneers and modern innovators.

As to privacy, I agree with you about checking in with the subjects where possible. In reality, though, most of these individuals are already "public domain" and any information posted there would not be any more revealing than what is already available online elsewhere. In fact, in many ways this would bring greater awareness to their enterprises and efforts. Before anyone gets nervous, my goal here is simply to shed some light on the amazing world of Hammock Camping. But if any of the old(er) guard here are reluctant about the increased exposure, please PM me and I'll respectfully work around you.

In reality, I don't anticipate a huge audience. Sure lots of people use Wikipedia, but not many of them then search for "Hammock Camping Pioneers". And the ones that do, just may buy one of your hammock/sling/hook/tarp/guyline/UQs. But if it makes it easier for the future hammock camping masses, then let's get the party started.

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Originally Posted by Hangandy

I'll check it out. But before I do, you may also want to check out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Dutch

Dutch is now immortalized!

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Ummm no mention of how easy Dutch is on the eyes (even though Shug does a better Dutch than Dutch)!?:confused:

I do like the Canadian/European diction. "Downpour", "favour", and "presence of a hammock camping pitch is much harder to detect"

I think actually adds a bit of validity, if not distinction.

Tea from the hammock, anyone?

Serously though, I like it.

Of course Hawkeye says I ain't right.:laugh:

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Originally Posted by muttly

Of course Hawkeye says I ain't right.:laugh:

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Can't believe what he says, he ain't right! :lol:

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams

I'm honored to be thought of as a pioneer but there are some notable names missing from the list, due no doubt to them having better self-control over posting on HF than I have....

Ed Speers. Wrote the book on hammock camping. Literally. Did a solo kayaking trip in Alaska in the 1970's hanging from a hammock (up out of the reach of bears, he says...)

Tom Hennessy. C'mon, you don't have to like him but I think you do need to respect him. Surely responsible for bringing hammock camping closer to main stream than anyone else.

Youngblood. Conceived and designed the first differential cut UQ, the Speer Snugfit. See the impact that insight had on quilt design.

Guy with internet name of "Risk". I was all over his stuff when I was first coming up to speed on this.

The Jacks. With their hammocking quilt business they opened the eyes of many---self included---to a completely different way of camping on the trail.

And these are only the guys I know were active before I started tinkering with hammocks. And I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

I concur with the suggestion you ask before you wikitize. Different folks have different sensitivities w.r.t. privacy.

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I couldn't have made a better list. I first had a Hennessey and wanted to learn how to stay warm so I discovered Jeff's site, from there I linked my way to Risk's and HF. Speer and the Jacks are such pioneers and my personal heroes. Warbonnetguy also really inspired me. Not for his line of products, but before he became famous (and very busy). He would chime in with material and rope information, his post were 100% insight into building hammocks. It's a shame he doesn't post like that anymore. I learned DIY because I wanted to be like these people.