Dutch Clips vs Webbing Loop and the Suspension System

I have been building the Hammock setup that I feel fits me the most, though I have yet to set up my hammock because I do not have all the integral parts that I need yet, and this will be my last question before I get everything else I need....(so this jerk says)

I just ordered 25 ft of polyester webbing from strapworks.com with two inch loops sewed into either end. I'm going to cut the webbing in half so I have two 12.5 ft lengths of webbing with one end open and the other closed, this will be my suspension. Now here's my dillema, everyone either talks about using a carabiner or Dutch clip to connect their webbing once it's wrapped around the tree. What's the harm in just passing it through the already made loop instead of bringing that added weight? Does it put more stress in a concentrated area? Does it weaken the strength of the loop?

Then from there I'm going to run the webbing down to my hammock to a cinch buckle attached to my hammock.

No problem at all with that method, just a matter of convenience really. With a DC or a biner, you never have to detach the webbing from the buckle, just clip and go. It will add a few seconds to your setup time by having to run the webbing through the loop, then attach it to the hammock (buckles). Not really a big deal.

Only thing to be concerned about is the webbing 'welding' itself under pressure. I don't think this is much of an issue with polyester (could be wrong), but I've seen nylon webbing weld itself into a permanent knot when knotted and under pressure. Then again, I guess that was a knot, not a loop.

Thanks for clearing that up Cannibal, I guess it would make my life a lot easier to use a biner or a DC when setting up my hammock so I would never really have to detach it from the hammock itself.

if I detatched my webbing to do a Binerless or DC-less attachment to the tree I would end up leaving half my suspension sooner or later. I prefer Cannibal's system.

One advantage of having a biner (and to a lesser extent a DC) is that when clipped to the loop you can use the weight to fling the strap around a large tree.

Jim

I just pass the strap thru the loop.
Mostly to save weight and two less things to keep track of.

hth

Like this maybe? Bloomgorge's Elephant Trunks are what I have been playing with for being easily able to remove my adjustable webbing from the hammock. The idea is to keep tree sap etc off my bed.

I use my Dutch Clips 'cause I find it saves me :48 seconds and that is more time I can sit and stare.
Shug

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Originally Posted by Shug

I use my Dutch Clips 'cause I find it saves me :48 seconds and that is more time I can sit and stare.

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:lol:
I knew there was a reason I liked you. :D

DUTCH CLIPS GOOD!!!

http://www.morethings.com/fan/saturd...losing_it0.jpg

"two less things to keep track of."

LOL! For me, that system creates two MORE things to keep track of!

HYOH.

Jim

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Originally Posted by Law Dawg

Like this maybe? Bloomgorge's Elephant Trunks are what I have been playing with for being easily able to remove my adjustable webbing from the hammock. The idea is to keep tree sap etc off my bed.

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Where do you get the elephant trunks from?

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Originally Posted by Rowan65

Where do you get the elephant trunks from?

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Try here and PM Patrick (aka: Bloomgorge).

http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ighlight=clips

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Originally Posted by Jsaults

"two less things to keep track of."

LOL! For me, that system creates two MORE things to keep track of!

HYOH.

Jim

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Ah! I see, you keep your straps attached to the hammock.
Around the tree clip your done.

I guess it depends on the type of hammock strap one uses.
On my WBBB with just straps I make a loop and poke it thru the sewn loop and insert a stick.
On my SB with TS and whoopies I just feed the tree strap thru the sewn loop.

On my WBBB i use the webbing and buckles... for this setup i use a carabiner because i don't have to disconnect the webbing from the hammock.

on my diy hammock i use whoopies and a marlin spike hitch. because the webbing isn't connected to the hammock i just thread it through the sewn eye rather than use a carabiner.

its all about the convenience. the 2-3 extra ounces never really bugged me.

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Originally Posted by Shug

I use my Dutch Clips 'cause I find it saves me :48 seconds and that is more time I can sit and stare.
Shug

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sitting & staring takes energy & that extra time needed ;)