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A little help needed guys.
I'm trying to decide which underquilt to get between a 40* Phoenix overstuffed with 2oz or just a standard 20*. Most of the camping I do has night time temps between 40*-60* but I would like to start stretching it to 30*. I will rarely go below 30* and when I do I won't mind using a pad. I love sleeping in the the cold but hate a cold back when doing so.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
If it were me....the 20º. You can always vent it a bit.
My 1¢ worth.
Shug
I'm with Shug.
I have a 20 degree incubator that I've used anywhere from 15 degrees up to around 70 degrees.
i'm a big fan of these guys. super quality and customer service.
I'm with Shug too. I'd buy the next colder one to what you expect to camp in; that way, you can be more sure of your temps. But, I'd go one further. I had a winter Yeti & a Flamethrower (both 3/4 UQs). I got the Incubator 0* & if I made the choice again, I'd again go with the full length one with the colder rating.
I think that Adam makes the baffles bigger on the colder rated UQs. If you got like a 40* one, it has less loft according to the website that the 20* one. Even with the overstuffing, I don't think it would make the baffles bigger, just more jammed.
Shug, Adam, do you want to chime in with your expertise?
By the way, I was extremely happy with my two HG Incubators & I will be getting another one later! Outstanding service, quality and communication from Adam & Jenny.
+1 on the 20*.
David
I'm with you Rod, baffle height is where the insulation is, not necessarily how much insulation is in it. Overstuff helps maximize loft. I'd get the 20 and you'll be set for anything you expect to encounter
Go with the 20* and you'll be set. You can vent it in warm weather.
I used a 20* all summer and would vent when it was too warm. But really I'd rather be a little too warm that cold!
I love and prefer my summer phoenix with 1oz overfill. It gets me to 30 degrees comfortably, but in the wind I can feel a slight chill at times. Its in my mind, the most versatile for its weight.
But...if I were you I'd go with the 3 season. If you plan to do 6oz in a summer quilt, you might as well do the 3 season with 7oz. Also it won't be too hot to use in the summer. This weekend was a prime example of scheduling a trip that ended up going beyond my summer UQs limit. So even if you only plan to take it to 30 (doubtful, everyone ends up pushing their limits), atleast you a bit more prepared. With a ccf pad I'm sure you could get it to 15 deg or a little lower. After that I assume you reallllly don't want to be out if your plans were to 30. And all for only 1oz more of down:)
Plus you could always add 2qzq protective cover over it and not only increase the water resistance but im sure it would increase the temp rating too..
That is if you wanted to increase it or knew you were into a colder/wetter environment..
Thanks for all the feedback everyone!
I'm a cold sleeper. I have to add +10*F to any rated quilt to get in my comfort zone. My 40* Inucbator is in it sweetspot at 50*F. I suspect once I get my 20* Incubator, 30*F is where I'll like it best. I would go with the 20* if I were you.
S
Thanks again everyone. A 20* UQ has been ordered. Now for the inevitable wait for it to be made and shipped...
Make sure that you give us an update when you get it. Include a photo and review! Congrats...Quote:
Originally Posted by hanginghokie
Will do! I will actually be changing my name on here to hanginhillbilly and will be creating a youtube channel under that name as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodwolfy
I've been cold in the low 40's with a 40 deg Phoenix, and I am a warm sleeper. But I never use a tarp unless I know rain is possible, and I don't wear a lot of clothes. Now that I have my ZQ2Q UQ cover thingy, I'd feel a little better taking the Phoenix in the high country in summer.
The anticipation is killing me! I don't want to email though... it might take them away from the creation of my quilt... must stay patient.... must stay patient.... egads has it only been a week!
UQ came today. Very fast turnaround for a made to order product. Hope to make it out Thursday and try it out. I'm a little worried it might be to small for these wide shoulders but trying it out is the only way to know for sure.
Hokie, did you get a HG UQ? Which one?
I found with my Incubator that you have to lay it down on the ground to figure out the head end. Its shaped like like an old pine coffin lid - that is to say, wider at the shoulders.
I got their 3/4 UQ. I knew about the cut on it. I won't really know for sure if it will work until I hang in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodwolfy
My under quilt(UQ) is rated to 20F and even though I'm a warm sleeper I don't overheat in it. But one advantage I have is, I use a Mount Washington 3 convertible from Jacks-R-Better. It separates into 2 pieces so it goes from a full length UQ, in winter, to a 2/3's length, in summer. With just a piece of good velcro and a draw cord worth of of weight, it becomes almost a 4-seasons UQ. I used it below 0F, with a pad, without getting cold yet. This nice piece of kit enables me to get away with only having to buy one UQ.
Everyone varies in thier sleeping "temperature" as others have said. I generally use a 3/4, 40 degree phoenix (known as the "Summer Phoenix" until recently), with no overstuff as my go-to quilt. I've taken it to 27 degrees, and slept comfortably. I would say 25 degrees is it's limit.
I sleep warm, so I can generally take temperature ratings about 10 - 15 degrees lower than stated.
I don't see this on their site, is it custom orderable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beast 71
I don't see it either, it's gone from their quilt comparison chart too :confused:. It was there last time I went to drool over down sleeves a little while ago. I'm not sure if they make'n'm anymore. It'd be a shame if they stopped. I may have a collector's item now. If you're interested PM pan, maybe they'd make one for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveJJ
Tried the UQ this morning. It was 22* here. I used a 30* sleeping bag as a TQ just to hang for a while and get a feel for things. I cinched up both ends of the UQ and jumped in. First I was right I"m a little wide for the UQ at the shoulders but the outer part of my shoulders didn't get cold. Between my shoulder blades was a different story I seemed to get a little bit of a cold spot right between my shoulder blades and any time I fidgeted a little bit the cold spot would hit then slowly go away so I'm not sure if it was because I didn't have it cinched enough or to much. Any feedback?
Other then the cold spot between the shoulders I was as snug as a bug in a rug.
Did you shake it out before you hung it up, to distribute the down? You may have had a little spot where the down wasn't up to the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by hanginghokie
Then, cinch that thing up tighter on the shoulder end- it should hold your hammock up when no one is in it.
I had a couple of cold spots when I was sorting mine out too. I thought about putting more bungee on the loops along the sides. I talked to Adam via phone. He said to take out about 3" of the bungee by tying a square knot about 3" up from the first one on the end. Then re-hang it over the gathered ends. This will draw the UQ up tighter on your backside. Repeat as needed.
The second thing he said (which really helped) was to find the loop between the shock cords on one end and to attach it with a bungee to the gathered end. He said that by attaching these two loops at each end, it will pull up the middle of the UQ along it's length to match the sag of the hammock.
Let us know how it's going...
Do they still sell convertibles? I am looking on the site now and I see no mention of a "convertible style" under Mt. Washgint 3. That is a great idea...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beast 71