if not whats the difference?
Jay
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if not whats the difference?
Jay
thats FF for clearing that up because i was gettin a bit confused
Jay
scotch binding wrap is worth checking out too. alot lighter and less bulky than velcro omni tape
Couldn't find anything on "Scotch binding wrap". Is that the real name?Quote:
Originally Posted by warbonnetguy
Wonder if by "Scotch" he means products from 3M like Scotch tape, in which case binding wrap could be that lightweight self-adhesive plastic that books are wrapped and shipped in. I would think you need the tension of the wrapping around an object to have it hold though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeeDee
we await WBG's reply...
Grizz
I just surfed around on the 3M site with no luck. Google search turned up this which looks like velcro to me.
a bunch of hits through this page
especially the "Coban Self-Adherent Wrap"
still hard to imagine how to use this in place of velcro...
Grizz
Yeah - that's what I'm having trouble with too. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams
I sincerely doubt that the "one wrap tapes" are lighter than omni tape... Since they have both the hook side and the fuzzy side on the runninig tape carrier....Further to apply it to two surfaces that need attachment it would require two lengths, thus more weight than a corresponding two lengths of the lighter Omni Tape which is a tape carrier and only the "peened hooks" on one side so that the blank side is readily stitched to the surface to be attached.
Pan
i'm sorry, scotch(3m) bundling wrap, not binding wrap. found it at joannes, it is a velcro like stuff, but way lighter. it's double sided, one side is the hooks, but they are infinately small compared to velcro, and the loop side is just a thin microfiber. looks like the thickness is right @ 1/16". for the same width, it's probably 1/3 as light as omni tape. it's far superior as far as i can tell, although i haven't used either alot.
apparently i cannot tell the difference between a lighter object and a heavier one? i do have a scale, i'll weigh some now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_pan
WBG, et al,Quote:
Originally Posted by warbonnetguy
Check the widths for parallel comparision.... also compare the stick.... this stuff is low friction as it is meant for a bundle style wrap, with a lot of wrap length for the diameter of the bundle,( recall Pi D) with little to no outward force on the cables etc bundled....Thus the tiny barbs and micro fiber.
I definately would not count on some of the Scotch (3M) sewn on two surfaces to be attached to have any significant holding strength...
Pan
ok, i weighed 60" of both. the bundling wrap comes 1" wide, so i stuck the velcro to the scotch, and then cut the extra width off the bundling wrap, now both pieces are 60"x ~5/8"
the velcro omni tape weighed 11g, the bundling wrap 5g, just under half as light. but how does it perform.
i figured since nobody else has any yet, i will do a quick little comparison. i used the equal width pieces again. the b. wrap has slightly less peel strength than the omni tape, and alot more shear strength.
WBG,Quote:
Originally Posted by warbonnetguy
Peel strength is a significant issue when attempint to connect two seperable surfaces.
While you are doing the comparision.... Does the one wrap stuff have sewing channels on the sides or is the hook side all hook?
Sewing will be hard on thread ... and the durabilty of the stiching will be questionable without sewing channels.
Pan
the peel strength is only slightly less than that of the omni tape, peeling is alot more of deliberate act anyways, once you get it stuck on all the way, you almost have to start at one end just to get the peeling started, or use your fingernails. i'm sure it depends on the application (which applications require a higher peel to sheer ratio, i don't know), it seems like good stuff, and plenty strong and durable, sewing did not seem hard on the thread.
there are no channels, so maybe the hook could damage the stitches of the loop, maybe you could use coated thread or something i don't know, it's definately lighter and sticky enough for a bugnet, as for longtem durability of the stitches, who knows.
i'm not twistin your arm here, don't try it if you don't want to.
WBG,
Thanks for the comparision discussion.
JRB will stick with Omni Tape.... It is a tried and proven capability with very good adhesion, little to no abrasiveness (compared to regular velcro) and without sewing and/or durabilty issues....Several miles of Omni Tape used in JRB quilts over the last four years with zero warranty issues and numberous customer satisfaction comments speaks well enough for us.
Let us know how the one wrap stuff works for you.
Pan