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Is the Claytor Expedition hammock similar to the Hennessey in that it is wide inside? What I mean is the the HH has cords on the sides of the hammock so they can be pulled out and the inside is spacious. The design of the Expedition seems to have similar functionality. It seems you would not need to use a spreader bar in the Expedition.
You can see the dimensions of all of the HH here.
My question is in reference to the Claytor Expedition, not the HH Expedition. I have an HH and am familiar with the spacious interior, but have never been in a Claytor. I am trying to get a better idea if I will like a Claytor.
Ahhh ... I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacktorious
I have never used or seen a Claytor hammock in real life so I will others to comment.
if you were coming to Hot Springs this weekend you would see a Claytor hammock :pQuote:
Originally Posted by headchange4u
The Claytor hammocks are 4 feet wide.
Miguel
Who's going to be using a Claytor hammock? I really would like to check out a jungle model. I have almost bought one a couple of times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ewker
DOH, way to rub it in.........lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ewker
I wish I could go. I will plan ahead for the next one.
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Originally Posted by headchange4u
Neo of course
DOH (Slaps forehead):oQuote:
Originally Posted by Ewker
I knew that!
Claytor Exped is 4 ft wide.... you can lay slightly asym.... I sleep well in one... about 6 foot and 200 lbs is the comfort max IMHO
They are not as roomy as the HH, but it is a fine starter or occasionioal use item.
Pan
PanQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter_pan
Just curious as to why you refer to it a "starter hammock or occasional use item". I specifically chose the Jungle hammock over all others and couldn't be happier.
Miguel
Miguel,Quote:
Originally Posted by Miguel
My post was reference to the Mosquito, same size as the expedition, not the much larger (and twice the cost) Jungle Hammock that you refer too.
I referred to it as a starter or occasional use item because it is just barely wide and long enough for comfort for a 5-11/ 6-0 person, the mosquito is very reasonably priced for full bug protection. We have found they sell to scouts and folk looking to try hammocking without major investment. Don't get me wrong, it is a great value and a good hammock, especially for smaller folk.
Pan
For the price I wonder if I would be better off going with a HH Scout. It comes with a tarp and is lighter weight. Though the Claytor Exped would be nice for hanging without the screen. Would be nice for the backyard, or on a picnic too. It might also bee good for my son to use.
Without having used (or even seen) one, I’m interested in why Hennessy’s have such a large proportion of the market. The ridgeline deal may be it, but it seems to me like the bottom entry/exit method would be OK for people on the move, but less so for people just hanging around :rolleyes: (pardon the pun!).
Are all of their models bottom entry?
6 ft
I own 2 Hennessy hammocks. A big reason Hennessy hammocks are so popular is because Tom Hennessy was a pioneer in bringing camping hammocks to the marketplace. They are even sold in some REI stores as well as many independent dealers. I'm in the process of making a hammock. It will be about 10 feet from whipping to whipping. I keep hearing about how comfy a longer hammock is. My Hennessy's are comfy and work great but I can see where a longer hammock would give you more of a "sweet" spot to lay in.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 feet over
Assuming the Scout model is bottom entry, all models have the bottom entry.
The Scout is bottom entry. However, it is diamond shaped and not asym.
I just ordered a new HH Expedition. I could not resist, I found it for under $100 including shipping. I already own a HH Ultralight Backpacker and love it. They are very comfy, light weight and the bottom entry is great. The bottom entry system helps prevent the bugs from getting in under the netting, as typically happens with a top entry hammock.
I love everything about my HH.............
Is that 10' along the ridge line or the fabric length?Quote:
Originally Posted by FanaticFringer
Fabric lengthQuote:
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Originally Posted by FanaticFringer
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Originally Posted by TeeDeeIs that 10' along the ridge line or the fabric length?
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Originally Posted by FanaticFringer
The Hennessy site has a table that gives fabric dimension, and resulting hammock dimensions for their various models
http://hennessyhammock.com/comparisonchart.html
Looks like 10' fabric length is used for the Expedition, Ultrabackpacker Asym., Hyperlite, Scout, and Desert Rat (all resulting in a 8' 4" hammock length). The only smaller hammock is the Adventure Racer. So if the ones you've been comfy in are among these models, and you want to make a "longer" hammock than one of these, perhaps you need to start with more than 10' fabric. I imagine that the method you use for wrapping could affect the length, the HH method takes up 10" on each end evidently.
measure twice, cut once, you know
sez he who dares to voice an opinion among talented DIYer's, but has yet to sew a stitch, let alone assemble a whole hammock
Grizz
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Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams
10' is the length I plan to make. I'll order 11' of ripstop. Minus 6" on each end after whipping = 10'
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Originally Posted by Peter_pan
I understand now and agree with you.
Miguel
ah, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by FanaticFringer
I'm 6' 1" and started first with an HH of the size of an Expedition or UBL. Felt a little cramped. I've moved up to an Explorer---another 10" in finished product---and it is nice.
I'm envious of TeeDee's Safari clone, which is a foot longer still.
Grizz
I'm 5'7" so 10' length should feel great. I'd like to make one as long as TeeDee's Safari but worry about end coverage of the tarp. My BlackCat ridgeline is about 12'Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams
If your reading this TeeDee, what size tarp you using for that monster?
Yep. I have a MacCat Deluxe, and its ridgeline is just about exactly the wrapping-to-wrapping length on the Explorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by FanaticFringer
well, I'm in no danger of being able to build Safari clone myself for a while...
Grizz
Actually the Hennessy method uses about 2" on each end. The ends of the fabric are sewn to form a tube for about 4" on each end. But the actual whipping is very minimal.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams
From my experience with my 12' (fabric) Hennessy style, it is a big difference over the ULBA et. al. One of my ridge lines is over 10', but the shorter ridge line at 113" is much more comfortable.
That I'm still working on. I have sent Ed Speer an email inquiring about a cat cut tarp with a 12' ridge line. I like the design. I had dithered on a MacCat or BlackCat for a long time and even considered the JRB diamond tarp.Quote:
Originally Posted by FanaticFringer
If I use my shorter ridge line of 113" and add 14" for the end whipping socks the JRB diamond is short by about 6". The MacCat Deluxe at 130" would give me about 3" more than the hammock with whipping socks.
If I use the longer ridge line, which I like much better with under insulation, the ridge line is 125" and adding 14" for the end socks, gets me out to 139", which is too long unless I get Brian to make a custom MacCat. Maybe the Titan?
I like Ed Speers prices on his Cat cut tarp much better and I like his design better over-all. The center tie out on the side allows for some closing in of the ends and the shallower cat cuts gives better coverage. If I can get him to do a custom at 12' on the ridge line at a price I can live with, that would really be ideal for me. The 12' would give me adequate coverage with the long ridge line and more than adequate for the short ridge line without getting too big. I think BB351 uses a 12' ridge line on his BlackCat and I think I read somewhere on the forums that someone was considering or doing a BlackCat with a 14' ridge line.
If Ed declines a 12' cat cut, I may have attempt a DIY cat cut based on his design. I really like it much better. I may even add 2 tie outs in the middle of each side for possible use when the ends are pulled close - not too sure about that though - I think it was slowhike that has already done that. That would give me a 12' ridge line and using the full width of the silnyl I would probably use a width of 8'. The weight would be somewhere between 14 oz to 18 oz which compares favorably with both the MacCat Deluxe and the Speer cat cut.
All in all, 12' ridge line on the tarp would be adequate.
By the way, I'm 5' 8.5" (my discs have shrunk :mad: ) and the 12' of fabric is really much more preferable over the 10' of the ULBA. Every time I have tried the ULBA again in the past week or 2, the ULBA just feel soooo much smaller. That 12' really spoils you. I could live with the ULBA again, but I really like getting spoiled with that extra 2'. It gives me a LOT more sag with the shorter ridge line. I have to hang higher, but it's worth it. Even with the long ridge line which gives a sag angle almost the same as the ULBA, the extra room makes it feel like it has more sag. Ed Speer is definitely right - longer is more comfortable.