Hi everyone, I just wanted to share a new video I made about the Raptor Sleep-Shelter...Please let me know what you all think. VIEW HERE
I also have two offers on THIS THREAD you may be interested in as well.
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SurvivaLen
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to share a new video I made about the Raptor Sleep-Shelter...Please let me know what you all think. VIEW HERE
I also have two offers on THIS THREAD you may be interested in as well.
Thanks
SurvivaLen
That looks like a very interesting modular system you have designed.
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Originally Posted by Labrador
SurvivaLen
Very interesting looking system. You need some video of someone getting in and out though.
Not for me, but great design for the most part and best of luck with the shelter system. I think you have done a lot of people in the future a good justice by being yet another option out there in the way of an all in one system. Once a few get sold and reviews get posted, make sure you stop by and continue to, for the voice of the people. It not only will help you know what people think but can improve your customer support and product by being a part of us. Once again, good luck and see ya around.
Thank you, I appreciate your time and comments.Quote:
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SurvivaLen
Thanks... I agree, at 1:52 on this video Dionne gets out of the hammock.Quote:
Originally Posted by NWOHanger
That's all I have at the moment, more videos on the way.
Happy Hanging!
SurvivaLen
I was looking at your store page and I am confused. You are advertising a raptor series, but I don't see it anywhere for purchase. :confused:
One question I have, is how does the top quilt work if you are laying on the diagonal? I would think with it being zipped to the hammock edges, it wouldn't lay directly on top of you.
That is a whole lot of omnitape/velcro in all of those add on components. I have omni tape on one end of my BMBH for my bug net, but I find that it wears out over time and loses its ability to stick together as securely.
Omni tape also also adds weight. I realize that you said one zip stick rail weight 75 grams, but for every other one you add that is 75 more grams and that adds up quick.
Another thing I noticed is that the ridgeline you get when sticking 2 fabric panels together is not a structural one. It is just the omnitape holding things together. It also doesn't seem that it can be adjusted based on user preference.
Also what suspension comes with the hammock. All that was shown in the video was the continuous loop on each end and that you had it clipped to a carabiner of some sort.
It's an interesting concept and I hope it works well for you.
Cheers
Brian
I've been toying with a modular attachment system for about a year now, and I've been very impressed by how well it works for some things and how difficult it is to engineer others for it.
Mine's based on Velcro rather than a zipper attachment system; but I can see the attraction of using the zippers with OmniTape, due to how easily OmniTape lets go. Seems a bit fiddly, but I suppose most of that is going to be in the set up at home.
I'm very impressed by the use of the OmniTape as a ridgeline; it makes a lot of sense for that type of system and surely is strong enough to act as a non-structural one (not sure about an SRL, but I'm willing to play with it and see, for sure...). Did you find OmniTape with a polyester (or other non-stretch) backing, or is it the standard nylon backing (which will stretch and change the lie of the hammock during the night if you're relying on it as an SRL)?
The top quilts and underquilts are the two things that I'd have questions about, mostly.
The top quilt seems as if it would have quite a bit of space between it and your body below the head-end attachment point--creating a large(r) air space that your body needs to warm before the trapped air of the insulation. Which, if my understanding of the physics is correct, means that the top quilt will feel colder than a comparably filled quilt that lays directly on top of an user. Have you found that to be true, or am I simply spitting in the wind here?
The underquilt seems as if it's a standard suspension, just with OmniTape along the edges to seal it up better. Was engineering the size specifications for it versus the hammock difficult (this is where I've run into the largest issues with my own modular system), or does the standard suspension with shock cord obviate that issue? If so, I may have to rethink my DIY system...I'm trying to avoid draft issues and make my underquilt "idiot proof" (with me as the designated idiot), and shock cord just doesn't seem to be the answer there.
Thanks for taking the time to demo your product and detail all of its features! I certainly appreciate it, and I hope that your business grows!
There were so many advertisements on the youtube page that I couldn't watch your video. All I heard were commercials as your video was playing until it would freeze the video.
EDIT: It was all me. Some ad program got onto my computer, but only flooded youtube. Wierd.
Survivalen, That just looks incredible! Looks like you will end up with many of the benefits of a pod system. Looking forward to learning more about this system.
OK, a Raptor Series Sleep-Shelter is formed by combining a Falcon Hammock with fabric panels or modules that are sold on the website. You can configure it your way. In this example, I offer one useful configuration at a special Hammock Forums Only Exclusive. Please view here. Other Raptor configurations are being offered on Kickstarter Hope that helps...Quote:
Originally Posted by cjayflo
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Len
Sorry to hear that, Thanks for trying...Just a thought, I use a great little free program called "C CLEANER" and got it HERE. It made my computer run like new! Maybe it will work for you too.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by fallkniven
Happy Hanging,
Len
Thank You :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyBob58
Len
Hi and thanks for the great questions...The top quilt works fine on the diagonal, I will have a video out on that shortly. I use genuine Velcro brand Omin-Tape with the Raptor, you are right about cheaper brands. In actual daily testing for over two years, it still works effectively. Additionally, once configured, you would use the zipper most of the time. You only need one Zip-Stick Rail and not more than two total, one for each side of the shelter. When the end loops of at least one top fabric panel are connected to the hammock support continuous loops, a structural ridgeline is formed. The top fabric panels are 100 inches long standard size. They can be ordered longer or shorter if desired. I have found that in testing the Raptor, the vast majority of people prefer a 100 inch ridgeline in combination with a 10 foot long hammock to be comfortable. Another interesting feature of the Falcon Hammock is the ability to change the lay using the continuous loops adjustment without affecting the total length of the hammock. As far as suspension are concerned, I offer the Bola-Tree Straps and amsteel 7/64 support lines used with Marlinespike hitch. Hope that helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianWillan
Thanks again for taking the time to look at what I have to offer and make comments, your input is sincerely appreciated.
Len Gioglio
Hi, On your first point "how well it works for some things and how difficult it is to engineer others for it" I agree totally...it was a conundrum until I created the Zip-Stick Rail. After that, things began to fall into place. As for the Omi-Tape ridgeline being used as an SRL... Hundreds of variations and combinations were tried before I arrived at the conclusion. The simplest answer was the correct one. "Occam's razor" Folding the velcro in half lengthwise and sewing the fabric within that fold. Additionally, I use Velcro Brand Omni-Tape, generic brands stretch excessively and wear out in a few months of continuous use. Now on to the quilts...The underquilt is the same width as the hammock. Omni-Tape on the long sides extends beyond the quilt edge about 1-1/2", this keeps the quilt from detaching itself from the hammock accidentally. The short sides of the quilt need a sewn channel at least 2" to allow for easy gathering along the shock cord within otherwise, you will have air gaps. This shock cord has it's own cord lock. Additionally, there is a loop of shock cord affixed to the underquilt at midpoint on each side forming a triangle that connects to the hammock suspension via a mitten clip. The top quilt does touch the body and this air space can be regulated by adjusting the shock cords running through the two long sides of the Falcon Hammock. The top quilt also has plenty of free range area and an adjustable draft collar that can be tucked around the shoulders. The top quilt is 1' shorter in width than the hammock at the head end down to the hip area then, it tapers to a point beyond the foot area. Hope that helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by FLRider
Thanks for the questions, comments and input.
Len Gioglio
Now there was a lot of novel ideas on your hammock design there. Totally enjoyed watching what was coming next on your video.
I thought the continual loop options on the ends were interesting. Do the two options really affect the way the hammock lays? Curious on that.
Your TQ ideas are intriguing.......my concern would be getting a good fit around the feet with the taper design. but I feel sure you thought this out.
Looking forward to some reviews from users on your whole system.
I appreciate all your thoughts and work on bringing something a bit different to the world of hammock camping.
Shug
Glad it works for you! I'll be interested to see one in person, once it hits the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Survivalen
Interesting. I wasn't aware that the Velcro brand had a non-stretch backing; I assumed (incorrectly, it seems) that it was a nylon backing...which is great for a "guess your hang angle" ridgeline but not so great for an SRL.Quote:
As for the Omi-Tape ridgeline being used as an SRL... Hundreds of variations and combinations were tried before I arrived at the conclusion. The simplest answer was the correct one. "Occam's razor" Folding the velcro in half lengthwise and sewing the fabric within that fold. Additionally, I use Velcro Brand Omni-Tape, generic brands stretch excessively and wear out in a few months of continuous use.
Huh. My problem has been tapering the quilts towards the ends; there's some interesting geometry going on there as they narrow down towards the ends, especially in the full-length first layer. I finally resorted to having my assistant (Mrs. FLRider...and she'll kill me if she hears me refer to her as an "assistant"...:scared:...I guess she's more of a backer or boss? :lol:) measure the hammock at my head, shoulders, butt, and knees as I lied in it. Need to go back and do it again with the next layer of my quilts, actually...we'll see how that works out.Quote:
Now on to the quilts...The underquilt is the same width as the hammock. Omni-Tape on the long sides extends beyond the quilt edge about 1-1/2", this keeps the quilt from detaching itself from the hammock accidentally. The short sides of the quilt need a sewn channel at least 2" to allow for easy gathering along the shock cord within otherwise, you will have air gaps. This shock cord has it's own cord lock. Additionally, there is a loop of shock cord affixed to the underquilt at midpoint on each side forming a triangle that connects to the hammock suspension via a mitten clip.
Okay. I can kinda see how that might work. If you let the sides of the hammock become more "floppy" (reduced tension), then the quilt lays on you more. But if you tighten the tension and reduce the "floppiness", then the quilt rises up and is more easily vented without adjustment to the Zip-Stick. Hrm...(*sound of hamster wheels turning*)Quote:
The top quilt does touch the body and this air space can be regulated by adjusting the shock cords running through the two long sides of the Falcon Hammock. The top quilt also has plenty of free range area and an adjustable draft collar that can be tucked around the shoulders. The top quilt is 1' shorter in width than the hammock at the head end down to the hip area then, it tapers to a point beyond the foot area. Hope that helps.
Thanks for the questions, comments and input.
Len Gioglio
Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions! It seems like you have a very interesting system there, and it will be one of the more original offerings on the market. I wish you the best in your endeavors!
Very interesting. Seems like it would be a bit heavier than some other hammocks - though the trade offs might be worth it. I like the idea if a ridge organizer that will stay right where I put it, even if its not easily adjustable while laying in there. The end channel looks like it would be compatible with spreader bar options, too.
Hi Shug!...I'm humbled and honored that you took the time to watch my video and comment. I cant count how many times your videos have put a smile on my face. Not only entertaining but, most informative and to me, inspiring. Thank You Sir!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shug
To answer your first question about the continuous loop option...Yes , each end will add or subtract from the bottom and sides between 1"- 1-1/2" when inverted. If the head end is inverted, you get more back support and less tension around the shoulders. If both ends are inverted, the bottom and sides will be the same height. Also worth mentioning is that the diagonal lay angle is changed. That means you can lay flat with less of an angle and less sag. The top quilt needs a video to better illustrate it's construction. Although it looks to be flat when connected to the hammock it's not... The underside of the quilt is different than the top, it's sides and foot ends drape down inside. Like a dust ruffle on a bed. It also has a foot box. It's actually suspended from the top fabric. It was a mistake on my part not to show that. Sounds complicated but, it's not once you see it.
Thanks again,
Len
Hi steveflinn-- Any weight is minimal...Omni-Tape is lightweight but, the options you get with the Zip-Stick Rails are numerous. Interchangeable panels, the ability to layer or change fabric panel type or color without buying another system. And so much more.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveflinn
Thanks for your comment and input,
Len
Looks like a very interesting system, the zip-stick rails are a pretty cool invention. Can't wait to see some reviews.
You need to bring that setup to the Smoked But Hang for us to check out.
gunner--Thanks again neighbor! I'll do what I can to be at the Smoked But Hang, FINGERS CROSSED...Worst case, I'll donate a piece of gear for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner76
Len
We'd be happy to have you at the Smoked Butt Hang, and I know that I'd love to see your setup in person as well. There are more than enough trees to go around. :cool:
Thanks Catavarie- It would be an honor and a privilege neighbor. I appreciate that.Quote:
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Len
Thank you craige ;)Quote:
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Len
Len,
There is also a group hang at Uhwarrie Nat. Forest on the weekend of March 8-10. It sure would be great to have you join us and demo one of your setups.
Looks like a crazy amount of work!
I'm not sure what you mean... Would you care to elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by LoganWildcats
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