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    There are multiple posts thoughout Hammock Forums...

    There are multiple posts thoughout Hammock Forums about low temperature capabilities of thin (and wide) pads. Many of 'em are mine.:D

    I use a " Oware pad and rely on cold weather clothing I...
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    UQ's are just one piece of sleep systems. Or...

    UQ's are just one piece of sleep systems. Or not...I've never used one.

    But aside from the many variables of a UQ, or a pad or any other underinsulation are the other several pieces of the system...
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    :D:D:D The warmest hammock night I've exerienced...

    :D:D:D The warmest hammock night I've exerienced was mid-50's. Must be something to do with location.:D

    But the concept is workable.

    FB
  4. Yup! My setup gets me to the low- or...

    Yup!

    My setup gets me to the low- or mid-20's. But that limits me to a May start and an October end around here. Define the 'winter' conditions, then we can talk sleep systems.

    FB
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    There's so much more than a pad when it comes to...

    There's so much more than a pad when it comes to hammock sleep systems. For example, I don't use sleeping bags and only once used a top cover (transparency: the 'top cover' was a sleeping bag used...
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    Try Oware ( owareusa.com ). From the...

    Try Oware ( owareusa.com ). From the descriptions I've read their pads are nearly identical to Gossamer's and it's an Oware pad I've always used. They stock the wonderfully (and approriately, IMO)...
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    I use an Oware pad that is very similar with...

    I use an Oware pad that is very similar with almost identical dimensions. I've never considered matching a slit in the pad to the hammock's opening and can't imagine that it would work. As...
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    My " X 60" X 40" Oware pad folds and then rolls...

    My " X 60" X 40" Oware pad folds and then rolls easily. I got the idea for doing such from the manufacturer of my pack.

    Is your " pad only good for 50's and higher or is that a personal...
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    I think the biggest/steepest hammock learning...

    I think the biggest/steepest hammock learning curve is the issue of staying warm. For the most part, that's an issue of underinsulation. So, IMO, yes...being in a hammock is that much different.
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    I always recommend a wide pad; i.e., 40" wide,...

    I always recommend a wide pad; i.e., 40" wide, such as those offered by Oware and Gossamer. Such wide pads don't slip as much if at all and the extra width cups around one's shoulders providing...
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    Look at other options. Longer and wider pads,...

    Look at other options.

    Longer and wider pads, 40" wide or more, don't slip as much, I think. I certainly haven't ever had a slippage problem with my 60 X 40" Oware pad. Gossamer offers a...
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    I have little experience with pads; I've only...

    I have little experience with pads; I've only ever used one from Oware. I've also never used anything else for underinsulation...in other words, all my experience is with one model of the Oware...
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    Under insulation is just one part of the sleep...

    Under insulation is just one part of the sleep system. There's the bag or top cover, and sleepwear to list just two other parts. The hammock, the weather, the condition of the hanger...all and more...
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    IMO, the first thing you should do. And the most...

    IMO, the first thing you should do. And the most important!:) I hate being cold at night on the trail. I hate equipment/system surprises even more.;)

    FB
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    I'm a 'pad only guy' in the sense I've never...

    I'm a 'pad only guy' in the sense I've never tried anything else. Part of that is my parsimonious nature, part is the weight (an awful lot of insulation for 7oz), and part lack of motivation to...
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    For me, the bulkiness of the pad is it's biggest...

    For me, the bulkiness of the pad is it's biggest downside. For a while I merely rolled it up and strapped it to the outside of the pack. It wasn't particularly good for the pad and it didn't look...
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    Of course, specific temp ratings of pads can't be...

    Of course, specific temp ratings of pads can't be accurately estimated without knowing what the rest of the sleep system is, how the hanger him/herself sleeps (cold or hot), what the weather...
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    You can find longer pads but a longer length may...

    You can find longer pads but a longer length may not be necessary. I (most of us?) sleep with my shoulders on the pad and my head off...relying on clothing or 'something' to fashion a pillow. That...
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    There are many posts in this forum, many of them...

    There are many posts in this forum, many of them mine, about pads and comfortable temp ranges. As we see above, pads are just one part of a system and each system works differently for each hanger....
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    Yup. I'm a little guilty here of turning my...

    Yup.

    I'm a little guilty here of turning my back on my favorite admonition -- sleep systems are individual. The corollary -- sleep systems are dependent upon the conditions to be faced.

    I...
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    I've never understood the, 'UQ is more...

    I've never understood the, 'UQ is more comfortable than pad' argument. One reason might be is that I've never used an UQ.:D:rolleyes:

    But then, I wonder if the proponents of the argument have...
  22. What one sleeps in is important...not only what...

    What one sleeps in is important...not only what bag but also what clothes. Sleepware is a big part of a sleep system and an easy, cheap and effective way to boost the low temperature rating.

    A...
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    My Oware pad is their older model...it's "...

    My Oware pad is their older model...it's " thick. The newer ones are 3/16" thick @ 6oz, I think.

    My sleep system is different from most. I don't use a bag or top cover in the hammock instead...
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    Wider is gooder, IMO. Insulation, wind block...

    Wider is gooder, IMO. Insulation, wind block where it cups/wraps around the shoulders AND less slippage, I think. I've always used Oware's 60" X 40" ccf in my Hennessy and the slippage is...
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    So it's more a quotation than a motto,...

    So it's more a quotation than a motto, then.:rolleyes:

    FB
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    When others adopt an idea that runs contrary to...

    When others adopt an idea that runs contrary to one's own, one shouldn't take it as a personal rejection. Similarly, one shouldn't adopt an idea simply because the majority of others say it's all...
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    Maybe. Partly. Mostly? A pad is one part of...

    Maybe. Partly. Mostly?

    A pad is one part of a sleep system. And in that system, when one part changes, the entire system performs differently. Comparisons of pads only come close to working...
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    It depends on your sleep system and you (and a...

    It depends on your sleep system and you (and a bunch of other factors).

    My " Oware pad is good for me to the low/mid-20's. In a still weather, backyard experiment I felt cold coming through at...
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    Absolutely! When I sat down to the 'puter...

    Absolutely!

    When I sat down to the 'puter this morning I thought to myself, "I forgot to talk about the parts of the system and how changing one, changes the performance of the others." Good...
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    Almost all of us agree that underinsulation is...

    Almost all of us agree that underinsulation is necessary...somewhere between 60 and 70 it's too cold to do without. What that underinsulation is depends on the individual sleep system, the...
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    After moving from San Antonio, one of the first,...

    After moving from San Antonio, one of the first, happy things I noticed about hiking here in western Montana was that I didn't have to constantly watch where I stepped, what I stepped over, where I...
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    What temps? What's the humidity like? What kind...

    What temps? What's the humidity like? What kind of weather?

    I three-season with my hammock and, here, that's May-October with potential freezing nighttime temps throughout that time. I rely on...
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    I'm a long time subscriber, with long running...

    I'm a long time subscriber, with long running disappointment, to "Backpacker." While I have many criticisms of the mag, the "Ask a Bear" column has got to be the silliest, potentially most misleading...
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    +1 If one makes the effort, one can learn to...

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    If one makes the effort, one can learn to stay dry with the stock tarp. T'ain't that hard.;) When I first got into hammock hanging some years ago I read a story on Sgt Rock's site about him...
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    Poll: On the other hand, this former Texan has spent...

    On the other hand, this former Texan has spent just $24 on hammock 'accessories'. I bought an Oware pad at the same time I got my Hennessy and have been perfectly happy, and totally comfortable,...
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    System considerations aside, i.e., you can't...

    System considerations aside, i.e., you can't estimate temp range knowing only one piece of a sleep system, I'll blindly say, "Yes.";)

    I use one of those older (") Oware pads and, in concert with...
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    Years ago, a post by Sgt Rock tipped the idea of...

    Years ago, a post by Sgt Rock tipped the idea of covering a pad with a light fleece throw. I use(d) one sold by Campmor which weighed about 13oz and clipped it to the pad using clips found in an...
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    Oware pad (similar to GG); 40 X 60 X " (newer...

    Oware pad (similar to GG); 40 X 60 X " (newer ones are 3/16"), 7oz, was good to low 20's with my system (key word). Last time I looked it was $24.

    FB
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    What is the sleepwear? What kind of top cover? ...

    What is the sleepwear? What kind of top cover? What other bottom insulation? Does the hammock have a tarp in place? What is the humidity, wind speed, and precipitation? Is the hanging site...
  40. It all depends on how 'winter' and 'cold' are...

    It all depends on how 'winter' and 'cold' are defined. I have a relatively simple sleep system that gets me to the mid- to low-20's. With a lightweight addition to my pad I can get into the teens. ...
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    That may be right. In a system, if you...

    That may be right.

    In a system, if you change one or more variables, you change the result, i.e., the low temp range. Or, if the low temp range is to remain constant, changing one variable...
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    - The normal array of sleeping clothes, some...

    - The normal array of sleeping clothes, some mentioned above; long underwear (medium weight Smartwools - there's lighter long johns, but none that feel nicer to me), fleece balaclava, fresh wool...
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    I have the older 1/4" Oware. It's been good down...

    I have the older 1/4" Oware. It's been good down to the mid- to low-20s. That extra 16th of an inch doesn't make for the 30 degree lower temp range I get out of the pad -- it's the rest of the...
  44. As posted above, gear and systems should be...

    As posted above, gear and systems should be tested before hitting the trail or within a very close bail out.

    The system above seems to me to be overkill (maybe 20 in TN is colder than 20 in...
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    Not all pads are created equal although their...

    Not all pads are created equal although their dimensions may be the same. But first and foremost, a sleep system is a system...the pad is but one part. And in a sleep system, all the parts impact...
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    Me too! The last two nights here hit 23....

    Me too! The last two nights here hit 23. :rolleyes:

    Actually, I'm not really jealous...escaping the heat is one the reasons I left my Texas home of 30+ years. I've made good my escape.:D

    On...
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    Only once have I used a bag in my hammock...and...

    Only once have I used a bag in my hammock...and that was as a top quilt. Otherwise, I've never used a bag or a quilt in the hammock while on the trail (I've done backyard tests of quilts a couple...
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    ...or scour the wide range of mesh bags that...

    ...or scour the wide range of mesh bags that fresh produce comes in...

    FB
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    Yup...3/8" pad and my jacket and insulated pants....

    Yup...3/8" pad and my jacket and insulated pants. The rest of the sleepwear is the same whether I'm in a hammock or on the ground; bag, quilt, or nada.

    This usage is practical for me because...
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    Speaking from non-experience (:D), I'm on your...

    Speaking from non-experience (:D), I'm on your side.

    I've never tried an underquilt having only used a pad from Oware. The size of the pad and its material makes slippage a non-issue and the...
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