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I have also found fewer things to go wrong with the shorter UQs. However, I'd say your odds are about 60/40 of too tight vs a gap. After all, the whole reason JRB and WB first came up with dif cut...

Well, pros and cons, but if you are going to be doing lower than 20F on a regular basis, I can't see not just going with the MW4, unless cost is a major factor.( I have owned MW3 and 4, great UQs)...

Speaking of warm feet(and sounds like you are already doing great in that area): admittedly I am just a poor southern boy who only rarely gets close to zero F, very rarely indeed.

OTOH, one of my...

Welcome, Pickled! I see you are starting to get some responses! That is normal, sometime it takes a while for someone who is both interested and knowledgeable in a subject to see and respond....

Thanks for that video, I enjoyed that! Good learning experience. I like UQPs, but I don't think it would have helped with your TQ and the blowing snow. Either a (large enough) tarp or sock would be...

That is about the best stand I have seen!

Are there any specific areas of discomfort you can identify? For example: calf pressure, or knee extension, or neck pain, or side twist when side sleeping? Or is it just a generalized discomfort?
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Welcome to the good life!



I'm certainly not from there, but i have had some grand adventures climbing Mt. Baker in the summer, and sleeping in snow caves on the side of Baker in Dec, plus I...

It is my opinion that a bag is warmer, at least unless all is perfect in quilt world. There is just a lot more to go wrong. In my early days, when I was trying to use my sleeping bag as a TQ, I often...

I figured that was the way it was regarding compression or volume, though I have not seen the comparisons. For me personally, that is not a huge issue, as it is for some. In fact, I have been on the...

I didn't realize it cost more than Apex. It certainly is something I have wanted to check out. However, there is one thing that must be said about Apex: there are more than a few people around who...

So, you were plenty warm(on your 1st attempt! ) at 12F using a 20F bag, even in TQ mode? I realize you had a liner and some extra warm clothes, but hard to do any better than that first time out!...

Sangfroid, sorry to hear about your problems. I would like to say:
!: I have seen apparently thin spots like you show in your pics in some high quality, well respected and popular quilts,...

Hopefully, what I posted will help. Either using the software on your computer or using the software here under "Image Tools/Edit Image". I think what used to happen to me was I would take a picture...

Crawldaddy, see my last couple of posts. Particularly the last one on how to rotate or flip a picture with the editing tools available on HammockForums. So, I can rotate pictures either on my...

BTW, I just noticed this: If I open any of my pictures stored here at HF, there is a menu at the upper right of the picture called "Image Tools". One choice is "Edit Image". When I click on that, I...

If you are asking me: I downloaded the pictures that you had posted previously, the ones that were oriented wrong. They then showed up in that same way, oriented incorrectly(sideways) on my MAC...

I enjoyed your video, Rhody Seth! Very nice. I'm envious of all that snow and the cold winter temps. And even more envious of that really great back yard test site you have!

You mentioned zipping...

In my limited testing, I noticed some definite warming with my Neoair All Season with no inflation. As some have said, some of that might have just been the VB effect, as well maybe as some radiant...

Won't 2 less warm UQs weigh more than a single zero rated, in addition to more bulk? Looking at the standard HG incubator 40F at 18.9 oz + 20F at 25 oz = 43.9 oz. The single zero is 30 oz. Should be...

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Have you considered the JRB James River? 9 oz, + poles = 18 oz. 250 lb limit.

How about a HammockTent 90º? Very light, no bars, most the advantages of a bridge. But, I think the current models...

I know the OP is concerning dew problems, but this can be another major problem if trying to do without a tarp. I mean major. You say your UQ keeps you warm at 20F and it is only going to be 40F? Add...

Hung a WBRR on 1/2( or one end) of my DIY tensa style stand plus 1 tree. It worked fantastic, lots of room, super stable.
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WBRR on 1/2 DIY Tensa plus tree. :thumbup1:
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I used 1/2 of ( one end of) my DIY Tensa style today with a tree on the other end. Which gives me tons of room even for the WBRR bridge. Worked great!
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Hey, thanks, Tonopah! I see you are in Glendale, AZ. I lived there 1970-73 while in the USAF. First in a trailer park near the intersection of Grand Ave and Olive, and later on Olive, right across...

One more "can't sleep" story: In 2006, my bud from NC talks me into trying hammock camping. 4 of us head into the Rockies, my bud and me inhammocks, 2 others sharing a tent. I pass out quick the...

I have not tried the Amok yet, but I have a HammockTent 90º, which I suspect will have similar advantages. And I certainly have zero issues drawing my legs up, best hammock I have used for that, with...

I think Y'all are right. If that article is correct, bug netting(in addition to the tarp or any tree cover or clouds) would act as over head cover, and reduce the tendency of the inside surface of...

OK, I found( at Backpackinglight dot com) the ( or an ) article(not the same one I was thinking of) on the subject of condensation not related to moisture being put out by a person. They suspended...

Yep, that is why many VB users tend to wear our thinnest and quickest drying layers, and not much else, between our skin and the VB. As a layer that feels more pleasant against our skin than the VB...

Hey, here is an experiment for you some time. You say it has not been cold enough for a VB? And maybe you don't have a 40F or 50F TQ? How about, at 30 or 40F, trying some VB clothing under the...

Yep, it's crazy. One trick I have found to using VBs is to use less insulation than normal. Sometimes way less, especially if exercising, hiking. So, normally you probably wouldn't us a 40F quilt if...

I agree that it is possible for outside moisture in the air to freeze and settle on surfaces like tarps(inside as well as outside), hammocks and quilts. (though not usually getting inside the...

OK, thanks! That's what I figured, I just wanted to make sure I understood what you were saying. Since what OneClick had been discussing was laying a blanket (fleece?) on top of his quilt. If you had...

"folded around me taco style". Inside the quilt, close to your body? Or around the outside of your quilt?

What a great trip! At first I thought that was you ice climbing, and I thought you sure were brave to do that on a solo winter trip! Beautiful winter scenery! And that sausage and cheese looked...

Hey there Elusivemoose! You are just south west of Mt.Timpanogos, on UT Lake, right? You have some pretty country to hang in! Here is hoping you have a run of good luck! How big are the holes? As a...

When sleeping on my back, I seemed to get more loft- even though it could ot really have more loft- by having it on backwards with my arms thru the sleeves. This was a trick that really worked great...

What is available in your house, if anything? Wearing all of your warm clothing, do you have any sort of thick synthetic or down quilt that you can just lay over all of the warm clothing you are...

Wow! Beautiful video, crazy conditions! Absolutely everything covered with ice!

Jim, I'm curious about a couple of things, if you are still following this thread. Did you ever get this solved?

Are you free of these problems in your bridge and HT90º?

This reminds me of...

I can relate!

PS: I said I have never had any condensation problems myself when using down, but that is hanging. I did return from another one of those almost week long trips, but on the ground, same mountains and...

You are welcome, hope it proves useful. I'm not surprised you have never experienced condensation inside your quilt. Many times folks get condensation ( and/or absorbed/wicked sweat ) inside their...

I look forward to your reports! Maybe I should mention this here, since stacking quilts has been discussed. Some folks like to stack their synthetic quilts on the outside, especially on longer trips....

Every one has to go by their own experience, of course. And though I have both, I am not really sure how all of that compares. Most of my experience - EDIT: i.e. experience with synthetic quilts - (...

First thing to note about this HammockTent9(HT90) hang is that the trees are only about 7 or 8 feet apart! This is the only hammock I have that I could even consider trying such a thing with. I...

Or even more so, what a great combo this hammock with the JRB Greylock UQ is. Actually, today I remembered what a great hammock the JRB is as well as the Hammock Tent 90(HT90). It is hard for me to...