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the 12 foot refers to Ridgeline length, amok only need 9 foot, so in that regards, tons of length

you need a much wider tarp for the draumr tho, at least 65 or 70 inches, each side

the pad will fit, but it won't fill the pocket

it will be usable tho

I'd love to see it rigged up with the draumr

yeah, fairly quasi...

i mean, it's a decent solution, but doesn't really compare

we're getting smoked with yet another blizzard, was hoping to get the draumr out in the yard to play

once your inside, and settled

Haven vs Draumr for comfort

oh there will be some more experimenting coming this summer. we're almost down to bare grass in the yard now, hopefully couple weeks

i think we need to talk about that side saddle exit, more than anything else

i'd kill for legs that long, lol

they're definitely trying to hit the car camping crowd

not gonna lie, I'm definitely considering a haven for the wife, for when we're camping with our little trailer. she loves the Amok, but...

I would wager that the amok folks looked very closely at the exped when designing the fjol. they're very similar pads (I'm pretty sure Jonas built the original draumr around the exped)

what pad do you use?

I've got the exped synmat9, and it completely fills the pad pocket

unlike some others, I also like the pad as full as it can handle. some like to fill only 2/3 or 3/4...

neat, that actually looks like it fit on not too badly

I fiddled with sliding a whole sleeping bag over the footbox, but it was such a pain to get in and out, I quickly abandoned that idea

hrm, you definitely shouldn't have space under your knees

the default position is flat, with the straps allowing the footbox to droop down...


for wing insulation, I've always just added a...

In winter I always just added a thick wool blanket to mine, especially since I want a bit more width for the shoulders.

a 2nd pad would also likely work just fine

I think it's the most sensible choice for vehicle supported hammocking out there.

it breaks down small, sets up pretty straightforward. it's the most forgiving of uneven ground

and its small...

reminds me a lot of the j-bend

this is one of those super subjective things that's hard to measure, but...

I personally find the exped synmat9 very warm, and I'd be comfortable using it to -20c no problems

as others have...

Turtledog style or similar works really well too. for indoor, I'd be awfully tempted to go with a pipestand. dutch's wall anchors would work well too, if you've got the appropriate spot

...

it seems like an almost ideal canoe camping option

weight is less of an issue (unless you have a ton of portage) and you can pick whatever little island you like, ideal trees, or no

my wife...

iirc the biggest changes from v1 to v3 was how the ridgeline was setup

early on it was the same type of material as the straps, and you could actually disconnect the hammock from the ridgeline (at...

I've got an exped synmat 9.

I've seen the fjol, it's very heavily influenced by exped imo

exped was designed as a tent matt, so going to ground is non issue.

I suspect fjol would be just...

I use an exped synmat 9 with mine.

I think the more nights you plan on 10 degrees or cooler. you will want the fjol


*Temps under 55 in freedom figures

Here's something I've fiddled with, for my wife. she hurt her back, and it's very much a lower back, upper butt area where it bothers her

she complains about the draumr, exactly like you did,...

the Draumr is pretty great in whatever position you like

you're not going to stomach sleep (comfortably) in either of the warbonnets. side sleep, if it's fetal style, would be just fine in the blackbird. the ridgerunner is mummy/dracula sleep style. ...

I like my chances of field repairing an air mattress with the included repair kits vs dealing with a split/torn gathered end

ridgeline is a ridgeline

you're going to want roughly the same amount of tension on your draumr ridgeline as you'd want on a regular gathered end

the angle affects the lay less than a gathered...

the lack of 2 way zip is kind of mind boggling too

you'd think the first time the designer had to reach all the way down to foot end it would have been a big clue

oh well

I still really like...

that was a good look at it

that rip when you sat down was really disheartening though

I really like the idea of this hammock tho, my wife just can't/won't get into the draumr

really interesting


the part that really intrigued me, is that it really really looks like an Amok Draumr, but without the pad pocket.

really like what you've done here, especially with the...

regardless of construction, I'd always choose a THICKER mat, especially with the draumr

just the way they fill the pocket up, the synmat/downmat9 was clearly the pad Jonas owned when they were...

When I first got my Draumr, we set it up at Firesong's Little Shop of Hammocks, and tried a few different pads

the synmat 5, popped an internal seam/baffle while moving around on the hammock...

i think it's awfully close to too large for the draumr

the synmat9 is about as large as you can go


not fully inflated, it would work but that's not ideal imo

That's the draumr already, no? it's more work to get in, but easiest, imo, to get out of

once pad is full, draumr takes less fiddling that gathered ends, imo

haha, no wonder you weren't as psyched about hanging the draumr INSIDE the jeep as I thought you would be ;)

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but as I said before, welcome to another hobby that will happily empty...

Tim Robson, that's the guy, was drawing a complete blank

theres an English guy on YouTube, drawing blank on name, who swapped in whoopee slings

he was satisfied

almost anything is fine for just lounging

simple Dutch netless, an eno, grand trunk

yeah, it looks like a really nice amalgamation of the good 3.0 features, with the 4.0 features and a couple new twists thrown in

the removable stuff sack is something a lot of folks wanted

the...

heh yeah, just watched that. I should have known better, Jonas is pretty good about demonstrating them

it looks good, price is still pretty up there tho

yeah, that was me too. I'm not gonna lie, I stumbled across shug lowering the space ship from that trapeze 1357019 years ago, and I knew I had to have one

I really enjoy mine, hopefully get to...

so, for the 5.0 is there a handy WHAT"S NEW somewhere?

anyone see this yet?

draumr, but lighter

regular and xl sizes

getting dressed in a hammock just isn't really a thing. out of the hammock and under the tarp? absolutely

I'm a big Draumr proponent

the chair mode is something that just isn't really...

yeah, it's definitely a thing with insulated pads

honestly, you get past it pretty quick once you find that sweet sweet spot

yup, that works too

i simply added beastee dee's to the middle tie out, using the same loop as the line loc. I just simply snipped a tiny hole in the middle of the beastee-dee and slipped it into the loop.

the pole...

dedicated stomach sleeper here, and Amok Draumr works for me

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for windy days, I added a simple internal pole mod. took maybe 5 minutes of effort

well, to be fair, look around and see what tent dwellers are using...

you can go with an uninsultated pad