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So I did the weight and found that even with extra stakes I end up ahead by 2 oz with the 4 season cuben from HG as long as I do not need a weather shield.

If using this tarp can I get away with...

I.was looking at the jacks r better poncho conversion, and can then lose my rain jacket and have a multi use item. Smea tells,me that it is breathable so condensation issues

Wow thanks for the summary. It seems like I bounce back and fouth every hour. For 3 oz might fall for the doored tarp. Like the oily idea to test. As soon as I read it I smacked myself for not...

I'm using the ones from opie so will try this method over the weekend. If all goes well I will ditch the dutch clips. Never droping my dutch fly though. For the weight makes my full tarp ridgeline so...

I like the idea of going clipless but I remember reading how friction can melt the straps together. Is this a myth?

Thanks guys. I have had great luck working with Joe in the past so will give him a ring about an 8x8 tarp as soon as my tax refund shows up. Amen for getting something back this year.

Soaking of the UQ is my biggest concern I think. I had thought of trying JRB's driducks poncho kit and making a duel use poncho weather shield. Anyone use one of these?

I like the stick and rock idea. I am using tigoat carbon stakes that are weighing in at about the same as ti stakes. Being a major gram weenie here lol. Most likely I will end up breaking down and...

OK so I am pretty new at this and am putting together a UL hammock kit. I am coming from being a SUL backpacker with a base weight of 4.5 lbs for my 3 season kit. The only real hang up I am having is...