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    Something I meant to ask you about: "I have been...

    Something I meant to ask you about: "I have been cold using the TQ when temps fall into the 20's......On Friday night I wore a fleece jacket over the VB clothing, fleece balaclava, thin liner gloves...
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    Would you believe it is in the high 30s with temp...

    Would you believe it is in the high 30s with temp dropping all day(had a high of low 40s about sun up), along with rain/sleet/snow, way down here? Nothing is going to stick though, ground's too warm.
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    I have some old threads on here testing a wet...

    I have some old threads on here testing a wet Polarguard jacket with a minimally WPB shell, and my conclusion was that it was most definitely a lot warmer than nothing even when quite wet, while...
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    UMB: sweeeeet! That sounds like a big improvement...

    UMB: sweeeeet! That sounds like a big improvement to me. Now here is what would make for even more useful info: if you had previously weighed your quilts and or measured loft the next morning, and...
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    tarp and waist area only- that is odd! If you...

    tarp and waist area only- that is odd! If you over insulated that would probably mean sweat, which would then have to wick all the way through your down and out through your DWR shell. Seems...
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    Yeah, I guess you are right about none being long...

    Yeah, I guess you are right about none being long enough, unless they can find a Christmas tree bag. I guess that is why earlier some one else had suggested putting 2 bags together. But I'm not sure...
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    I am repeating these older comments on this...

    I am repeating these older comments on this thread because I stumbled on them and just realized something: for unknown reasons, when I clicked "reply with quote" on Groundskeeper's humorous (sp?)...
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    OK then, sounds like you have been around a bit....

    OK then, sounds like you have been around a bit. So, you were cold in your TQ at 23f even using a down jacket, right? And you want to try it now at 20F with a VB, to see if you do any better? Great,...
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    Fascinating. Let me make sure I am reading you...

    Fascinating. Let me make sure I am reading you right: you are claiming you used a VB liner and you were not swimming in condensation and/or sweat? Did you have some unnoticed breathable section that...
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    Sounds like a plan. Do you have much non VB...

    Sounds like a plan. Do you have much non VB experience to compare to? What kind of insulation will you be using? Anyway, good luck and have fun!
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    Yes, your Ph.D. diploma is in the mail, you...

    Yes, your Ph.D. diploma is in the mail, you certainly seem to to have the basics figured out, though we were not able to award you Magna Cum Laude as of yet, as we can't be certain you have every...
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    "Sea to Summit Thermolite Reactor liner, which ...

    "Sea to Summit Thermolite Reactor liner, which claims to add 14 and I believe it. I was definitely warmer than the last test (28), even with the temp being 10 colder. You can really feel the...
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    Man oh man, it just shouldn't be this hard,...

    Man oh man, it just shouldn't be this hard, should it? Let me repeat what I have said so often before: I don't really have problems with any insulation system I have used, starting with HH Super...
  14. Good deal! Hope you like yours as much as I like...

    Good deal! Hope you like yours as much as I like mine!
  15. It is a different company, but looks very...

    It is a different company, but looks very similar. I am very tempted to order one, because I see some possible small advantages over the Hammock Tent(HT90) that I have. Primarily weight ratings, and...
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    I have managed to stay bone dry in a HHSS with...

    I have managed to stay bone dry in a HHSS with over cover, at 6F, which works much like a sock, by using a frost bib hanging down in front of my face, and probably also contributing was the vapor...
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    Interesting! Let us know how it goes!

    Interesting! Let us know how it goes!
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    Looks good, looks warm!

    Looks good, looks warm!
  19. I think that is the one 509-T203-KG used for a...

    I think that is the one 509-T203-KG used for a minus 10F test. He might have some opinions for you.
    https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php/152871-10-below-on-a-pad-in-a-bridge
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    Dang it, I should have known! Another theory shot...

    Dang it, I should have known! Another theory shot to heck!






    Or maybe not! Actually, I was thinking with a tarp. And I am thinking more like an 1/8 or less, I.E. just barely contacting...
  21. Thanks, now reading in English!

    Thanks, now reading in English!
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    Thanks Bill for that link about how NeoAirs work,...

    Thanks Bill for that link about how NeoAirs work, as well as all your other info, particularly about pad use in bridges. While I have always known about going to ground when the air just ain't...
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    Major ditto on that. Seems to me the amount of...

    Major ditto on that. Seems to me the amount of insulation, in the all important head and neck area, that is lost by giving up a mummy bag's thick hood and neck collar, is greatly underrated.
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    Like Pappy said, I find that most of my...

    Like Pappy said, I find that most of my hammocks(including HH) with RLs tighten up a bit when I get in. So if I start out tight, they are guitar string tight once I am in. So I tend to hang them so...
  25. Thanks, good chart, I think I will save that to...

    Thanks, good chart, I think I will save that to go with another one I have for hammocks from Youngblood. I see the .375" Stansport Blue pad at 1.4, but I don't see the Walmart Blue 1/2" pad. Lots of...
  26. I did find this with some English captions:...

    I did find this with some English captions:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=26&v=H5zSwReKU0I&feature=emb_logo
  27. Looks nice. Is there an English version of the...

    Looks nice. Is there an English version of the web site available?
  28. Thread: Which UQ?

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    A problem with gap under legs? Yes, I have...

    A problem with gap under legs? Yes, I have sometimes struggled with that, with most full lengths I have used(except on my JRB bridges of course). If my feet are right, I have to do battle against a...
  29. Wow, that styro sounds good, but I did not know...

    Wow, that styro sounds good, but I did not know the WM blue pad had so little R value. I think I remember folks sleeping warm in hammocks with that pad below 40F. 1.4 is not much. OTOH, I have seen...
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    Also Bill, I meant to say( I was being rushed...

    Also Bill, I meant to say( I was being rushed into some KP duty by my wife getting ready for an early TG dinner tomorrow, some of the family is coming then) that, I am certain you have way more...
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    Hey Bill, I know what you are saying, and for...

    Hey Bill,
    I know what you are saying, and for all I know, you are 100% correct, and probably so.I have not tried to take pads below about 18F, and that was stacked CCF pads rated R5.2. Though I must...
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    BTW, I just weighed my NeoAir All Season 4.9 long...

    BTW, I just weighed my NeoAir All Season 4.9 long wide: 25.9 oz. So IF their current specs are accurate, the idea that that new X therm could be 6.9R at 3 oz less is, again, impressive. But maybe...
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    Yes, sometimes the value just does not seem to be...

    Yes, sometimes the value just does not seem to be there, a large $ cost to save a few oz or degrees of warmth. But, a jump from R5.7 to 6.9 for 1 oz weight? WOW! Especially if buying new, and temps...
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    I have the same pad as you.If I was buying new, I...

    I have the same pad as you.If I was buying new, I would probably get the X-therm. But if I need more warmth, I can always just add my 1/2" thick CCF sit or torso pad, or maybe even my pack under my...
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    I will be interested to see if this still occurs...

    I will be interested to see if this still occurs with the use of a VB. Of course, if it is dew a VB probably won't help.But even your tarp was dry, right? As well as other areas other than the TQ...
  36. Thread: Which UQ?

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    Wow, tough choice! (do you have an HH?) Mainly...

    Wow, tough choice! (do you have an HH?) Mainly centering on down vs CS and all of that never ending debate. Also, the Potomac is full length vs the shorter Greylock. So, between the down vs CS and...
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    Thanks, Bro! You learn something every day! I...

    Thanks, Bro! You learn something every day! I will pay more attention to that in the future.
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    Hey, Bro, VBs are freaky, but I have grown...

    Hey, Bro, VBs are freaky, but I have grown increasingly fond of them since I started with VB socks in 1983, so well over 30 years of experimenting with them.

    No one can answer how that will work...
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    Impressive. Raises a lot of questions about why....

    Impressive. Raises a lot of questions about why. And not really a big shocker that it is happening, but one thing to figure out is why didn't it happen before? I am guessing that it is not possible...
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    Very interesting post, thanks! I have 3 JRB...

    Very interesting post, thanks! I have 3 JRB bridge hammocks: the sho nuff original, with the pad pocket and removable net(still love that). I was one of the very first folks to obtain one of these,...
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    Sure sounds like sleep apnea. If there is a build...

    Sure sounds like sleep apnea. If there is a build up of CO2, the body's response to that is a faster breathing rate to blow the CO2 off, but not necessarily waking up with a gasp. Also, if it was a...
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    Do you own an UQ that works on your WBRR, so that...

    Do you own an UQ that works on your WBRR, so that you do not need to even fool with a pad? I guess you do, but if not, while you are waiting to get it, consider this: I recently confirmed that my...
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    Ha! I never thought of this, and it is the...

    Ha! I never thought of this, and it is the opposite of the potential issue I have a thread asking about with my HammockTent90(HT90). With that hammock, the pad pocket is so deep(supposedly designed...
  44. Feb will be the 11 year anniversary of this trip,...

    Feb will be the 11 year anniversary of this trip, which I THINK was the first HF/Sipsey group hang. Not long after the picture was taken we got about 5" of snow:...
  45. 20 degrees or more below ratings, but there are...

    20 degrees or more below ratings, but there are so many variables, plus I cheat. I am very quick to augment with vapor barriers and/or layered clothing. Either clothing worn or layered on top or...
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    Thanks for the info! What is the lowest temp you...

    Thanks for the info! What is the lowest temp you have been warm at using that pad? And are you using it in the double layer pad pocket?
  47. OK, thanks for clearing up my confusion!

    OK, thanks for clearing up my confusion!
  48. Haven't you now taken it down to about 28F...

    Haven't you now taken it down to about 28F without adding anything? If so, you might be near the head of the pack. Except for one guy we have not heard from for years(hope he didn't freeze), who used...
  49. Thread: Cold Front

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    Not bad!

    Not bad!
  50. breath hitting the sides and condensing when side sleeping?

    Thanks for the kind words, OldPappy! You have just given me an idea. Maybe what you say about getting the condensation while side sleeping explains the problems some people(but not Framjam) report?...
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