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  1. Of course, anyone who would consider a waterproof...

    Of course, anyone who would consider a waterproof hammock would want to be able to fill up the hammock during a strong rain. No tarp needed! By the way, water is a great insulator - no quilts needed.
  2. But who would want a waterproof hammock? Hammocks...

    But who would want a waterproof hammock? Hammocks need to breathe; otherwise you're bathing in condensation, which is why no reputable vendor sells a waterproof hammock.
  3. I've got 40*, 20* and 0* HG premium quilt sets...

    I've got 40*, 20* and 0* HG premium quilt sets and they work fine for me.
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    Sounds generous, but I'd have to actually find...

    Sounds generous, but I'd have to actually find them in my gear! (Which might be difficult, since I haven't seen them in years)
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    Dutch gave me a pair of Kevlar straps several...

    Dutch gave me a pair of Kevlar straps several years ago. I used them once, and didn't like the way they bunched on the tree - I've never used them since.
  6. Well, I've never had my quilts stuffed for more...

    Well, I've never had my quilts stuffed for more than 24 hours, and I'm not sure I ever got anywhere near 24 hours. There's not much of a reason to keep your quilts stuffed: at least I can't think of...
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    The poles are probably where the weight limit...

    The poles are probably where the weight limit comes from, not the fabric.
  8. Either hammock is a good choice. Personally, I...

    Either hammock is a good choice. Personally, I have a Dutch Chameleon and am satisfied with it. As for Hexon 1.6, I like it.

    I don't think you'll get very far with just a set of 40* quilts in NJ...
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    Welcome from the Jersey Shore! Like cmoulder,...

    Welcome from the Jersey Shore!

    Like cmoulder, I can't see how you can manage the weight of the Arc-Teryx and Lawson hammock. If you're disabled, those items are pretty heavy (and even if you're...
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    I'm a fairly rigid sleeper (always head right,...

    I'm a fairly rigid sleeper (always head right, feet left), but I just can't understand asymmetrical hammocks. It seems like a design flaw to me. Whether it is tarp, hammock, or UQ, I'll take...
  11. I have several tarps: polyester, silnylon, Xenon,...

    I have several tarps: polyester, silnylon, Xenon, and DCF. However, the HG DCF Winter Palace is my go-to tarp. I've owned it for ten years and it looks brand-new. It's been through dime-sized...
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    Welcome back, George.

    Welcome back, George.
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    I'm more of a big tarp guy - my HG DCF Winter...

    I'm more of a big tarp guy - my HG DCF Winter Palace with doors is my go-to tarp (11' x 10 ft. 4 inches). So I've never seen the reason for a UQP - I'm not doing skimpy tarps. And even if I was into...
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    While you may be doing DIY, just look at the...

    While you may be doing DIY, just look at the market and tell me: how many waterproof quilts do you see? How many waterproof hammocks? None?

    That's because of condensation. Nobody makes waterproof...
  15. The reason a Fronkey bugnet works is because...

    The reason a Fronkey bugnet works is because mosquitoes are just inherently incapable of attacking from the bottom - they can't figure out how to come from below and then attack your nether regions....
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    When you get around to it, you'll find a huge...

    When you get around to it, you'll find a huge difference between "not exactly" and a true hammock camping setup. I used pads for a couple of years but when I went to underquilts, I never went back.
  17. Personally, I'd recommend you try an underquilt...

    Personally, I'd recommend you try an underquilt since pads don't seem to be very comfortable for you. I made the mistake of spending money on a double layer to accommodate a pad, but it was a waste...
  18. I only buy nylon when polyester isn't available....

    I only buy nylon when polyester isn't available. I have a couple of Hexon 1.6 hammocks that are comfy.
  19. I personally like polyester hammocks - I guess I...

    I personally like polyester hammocks - I guess I like the stiffness. Unfortunately, there aren't many polyester hammocks on the market. Dutch used to sell PolyD in 1.2 and 1.4 but discontinued it. I...
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    Personally, I just buy kit for myself. However,...

    Personally, I just buy kit for myself. However, it works out with my family because one son sleeps cold (he gets my 0* quilts), one son sleeps really hot (he gets my 40* quilts), and I'm in the...
  21. I also don't see how the weight of the tarp makes...

    I also don't see how the weight of the tarp makes it more difficult to set up. The video looks pretty straightforward.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIilwYJkoTM&t=2s

    NIilwYJkoTM&t=2s
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    But if you want to keep that DCF tarp a vendor...

    But if you want to keep that DCF tarp a vendor ships you, then the DCF tarp will have to come out quieter!:lol:
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    There aren't any crease points, unless you fold...

    There aren't any crease points, unless you fold instead of roll your tarp up.

    Delamination only seems to be an issue for people who leave their tarp out in the sun all day. I have heard of some...
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    I bought my HG DCF Winter Palace ten years ago,...

    I bought my HG DCF Winter Palace ten years ago, and it still looks brand new.

    As for the usual complaints about DCF:

    1. It's louder in the rain - This might be true, but nobody has ever...
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    Yeah, with the wind skirt the total cost is $775,...

    Yeah, with the wind skirt the total cost is $775, and then a stove is gonna cost $250 or more. So expect to spend upwards of $1025 for a full setup.
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    Oh, the weight is there: Tsunami tarp: 3 lbs,...

    Oh, the weight is there:

    Tsunami tarp: 3 lbs, 3 oz

    Pole kit: 3 lbs 6 oz

    Total weight: 6 lbs, 9oz

    I don't see a weight listed for the windskirt, but it's probably about a pound.
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    I'll keep this in mind the next time I have a...

    I'll keep this in mind the next time I have a spare $675.
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    If you've got a 0 and a 40, then the only logical...

    If you've got a 0 and a 40, then the only logical choice is a 20* quilt. I've personally found that my 20* HG Phoenix 3/4 UQ (and my 20* HG Burrow) are the quilts I use most often.

    I'm a proponent...
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    Sticky: Darn - sad to see BIAS go. When they first...

    Darn - sad to see BIAS go. When they first started doing business, I bought several hammocks and bugnets from them. They were the first to start promoting 11 ft. hammocks, and one of the first to...
  30. Thread: Thanks

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    Phantom Grappler - exhibiting signs of advanced...

    Phantom Grappler - exhibiting signs of advanced senility!
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    Sometimes I've read posts on this forum that say...

    Sometimes I've read posts on this forum that say they've had problems with their DCF tarp in 20 to 25 mph winds. I can't comprehend that - I live in a coastal area and winds are regularly 20 to 250...
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    I hate knots, and I really don't much see the...

    I hate knots, and I really don't much see the need for them with hammocks. My Dutch ridgeline with Dutch Hook and Wasp weighs nothing, and I don't use any hardware on my guylines, just a marlin spike...
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    Nothing there shows a hammock hanging on the...

    Nothing there shows a hammock hanging on the ridgeline - only the tarp hangs on the ridgeline. When I hear someone talk about the tarp and hammock hanging off the same suspension, I just assume...
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    It sounds like you are describing a single line...

    It sounds like you are describing a single line suspension (SLS). That's a different beast entirely from continuous ridgeline or split ridgeline. Very few people use an SLS, and I don't think any...
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    I don't like knots and I especially don't like...

    I don't like knots and I especially don't like knots on my ridgeline - just too much adjustment and readjustment for me. I use a Dutch continuous ridgeline with Dutch hook and Wasp, with prusiks...
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    Long before I ever started hammock camping, I...

    Long before I ever started hammock camping, I lived in Arizona for four years. Though I never hiked the Grand Canyon, I spent a lot of time hiking and camping, in and around Tucson, Arizona. My usual...
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    My trade secret is that I won't go camping in the...

    My trade secret is that I won't go camping in the American Southwest because there are frequently no trees in many spots. I also don't camp above tree line because, again, there are no trees. It's...
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    In 12 years of hammock camping, I have never had...

    In 12 years of hammock camping, I have never had to go to ground. I see no reason why I would ever have to go to ground, since there's too much information on the Internet to ever have to go to...
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    I haven't been to Batona Camp since the snow...

    I haven't been to Batona Camp since the snow storm, but I seriously doubt there's much snow left after three days of melting temps and rain in the forecast for tonight and tomorrow.

    I'm also...
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    Got a call from Wharton State Forest this morning...

    Got a call from Wharton State Forest this morning - I was sleeping and didn't want to hear what they had to say so I went back to bed. When I woke up, I checked the voicemail. A nice lady said that...
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    The sit pad doesn't work for me in temps below...

    The sit pad doesn't work for me in temps below 30* F, but my 20* 3/4 Phoenix works fine in temps 30* F and above. I wouldn't worry about needing a sit pad for a a 40* Phoenix.
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    Just avoid 6 - not good for hammocks. I would...

    Just avoid 6 - not good for hammocks. I would pick site 11.
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    Maybe I'm just gifted, but I've never had a knot...

    Maybe I'm just gifted, but I've never had a knot or tangle in my Zing-it for the last ten years. I just roll my guylines into the tarp and snakeskins.
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    Yeah, I was noticing that the Super Bowl was...

    Yeah, I was noticing that the Super Bowl was later, but thought that we would still want the last weekend in January. Oh well, I have site 4 reserved for 1/28-29, and site 5 for 2/4-5.

    Somebody is...
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    I can definitively say that nobody has reserved a...

    I can definitively say that nobody has reserved a campsite for January 28 - 29, other than me. I reserved site 4.
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    Usually the last weekend in January, which would...

    Usually the last weekend in January, which would be Friday, January 28 and Saturday January 29.
  47. Here are maps: ...

    Here are maps:

    https://www.njparksandforests.org/maps/wharton-area.pdf

    https://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/parks/docs/batona14web.pdf
    ...
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    Probably SGT Rock. He disappeared for a few years...

    Probably SGT Rock. He disappeared for a few years then reappeared around 2015, before disappearing again. I haven't heard from him since. He does have a website but it doesn't appear to be...
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    Glad you're feeling better, George.

    Glad you're feeling better, George.
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    I guess no NJ Winter Hang in 2022

    Looking at the NJ Portal website, it says, "The Atsion Family Camp is the only camping area that is currently open for camping in Wharton State Forest. When making a reservation for the Atsion Family...
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