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    The mashed potatoes, really? YUCK! :lol: Not sure...

    The mashed potatoes, really? YUCK! :lol: Not sure why anything is directed at me though. After all, I don't have near as much experience as either of you guys with pads in a hammock, at least I...
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    509, your experiments have added greatly to the...

    509, your experiments have added greatly to the subject of pad use in bridge hammocks. And your results have always been very encouraging,with 2 different brands and R value ratings of pads.
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    Arrowhead Equipment https://www.arrowhead-equipment.com/
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    Great video, as usual!

    Great video, as usual!
  5. I think you will like that. The AHE version is...

    I think you will like that. The AHE version is what I have on one end of my HH, and I might be about to put one on the other end. It is not the lightest set up out there, but it sure is easy and...
  6. I have not cut it, but I probably would if I was...

    I have not cut it, but I probably would if I was certain was going to stick with that, and with that length off rope, for good. Or if I was gung ho to cut every ounce. But so far, I have seen no...
  7. Nordmarka: Yep, that's pretty much it. It is...

    Nordmarka: Yep, that's pretty much it. It is amazingly simple to just put a figure 8 or bowline loop in my rope, in fact I have been set up that way for a long time, on one end of my HH. ( I have a...
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    It might be worth trying, though I never thought...

    It might be worth trying, though I never thought of the bug net as a means of reducing frost and/or condensation. However, this suggestion makes me think of my record low, 6 years ago now. Nothing...
  9. If you can stay on the pad, I think you will find...

    If you can stay on the pad, I think you will find that pad warm into the low 40s, or maybe a bit lower down into the 30s, though people vary quite a bit.
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  10. Hello Jump! And welcome! I am not familiar...

    Hello Jump! And welcome!

    I am not familiar with the Hummingbird hammock, so someone else will have to fill you in on that. I am also not familiar with "numb butt" syndrome. Cold butt syndrome, for...
  11. I have not yet had any issues with this approach:...

    I have not yet had any issues with this approach: I tie a figure 8 loop(or Bowline) in my HH rope. If I want to make sure I can later undo that loop, I place a small trail stick into the loop, so...
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    Since I have 2 BMBHs(the original with removable...

    Since I have 2 BMBHs(the original with removable bug net and pad pocket and the 2nd model they called the UL, a single layer with zippered non removable net), PLUS a JRB James River bridge(the...
  13. Wow, 509, thanks for finding that! I had always...

    Wow, 509, thanks for finding that! I had always assumed that the ground would be warmer. If for no other reason than, if going to sleep at 8pm on a pad on the ground, and then a cold front moves in...
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    Thanks for the report!

    Thanks for the report!
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    Can't wait for your results!

    Can't wait for your results!
  16. OK, thanks! That explains the cold butt at 45,...

    OK, thanks! That explains the cold butt at 45, along with the R value was not all that much to start with. But should be enough R for 45. A thick pad in a single layer bridge def makes them more...
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    Hey OTDog, Welcome to the club! I have a...

    Hey OTDog,
    Welcome to the club! I have a hammock, for which I have sought your advice in the past, the HT90º. It is def one of my fav overall hammocks, but as you know, one of it's (to me minor)...
  18. What NeoAir is that? Do you happen to know the R...

    What NeoAir is that? Do you happen to know the R value? Is it fully inflated?
  19. It just occurred to me: maybe I would phrase it...

    It just occurred to me: maybe I would phrase it differently. Is the insulating effectiveness the same in the air as on the ground? Yes! The pad has not lost insulating value. However, it is being...
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    Now that is funny! Good one! True about...

    Now that is funny! Good one!




    True about the still excellent reputation of some of the vendors! And I will add one more: JRB. Even following the retirement of the original Jacks and handing...
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    Wanda, I have not had the pleasure of meeting you...

    Wanda, I have not had the pleasure of meeting you guys yet, and now I won't get to meet Ashley. Sounds like he was a good one, and I regret I never got to know him. I'm very sorry to hear about your...
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    Ditto that. The bigger the pillow the better,...

    Ditto that. The bigger the pillow the better, makes all hammocks the same for me when it comes to calf ridge or knee extension, and is just generally more comfy. If the pillow is really big, you...
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    It is sad, but this has happened now with several...

    It is sad, but this has happened now with several highly rated vendors over the years. It's a very strange thing to me, because they don't just decide the hammock business is not for them anymore for...
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    The back and butt are the number one problems re:...

    The back and butt are the number one problems re: cold in hammocks, so I like to be more aggressive for that area. I have oft been surprised at what kind of temps I can- maybe not sleep, but hang a...
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    Any one have that info, did I miss it? Weight...

    Any one have that info, did I miss it? Weight without net or accessories, and minimum distance between trees, or between triangle apex?
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    Great review, looks like a great hammock indeed!...

    Great review, looks like a great hammock indeed! What does it weigh without the net or any accessories? The JRB James River weighs 18 oz with spreader bars, for comparison, which is the lightest...
  27. Air is quite often colder than the ground, plus...

    Air is quite often colder than the ground, plus there can be some wind chill to deal with. Even with the wind well blocked via tarp, there is still often at least some air movement under the hammock....
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    One comparison I'd like to see: you, at a group...

    One comparison I'd like to see: you, at a group hang. No one using a VB. Or, every one using a VB. And every one using a frost bib hanging a few inches in front of their faces.

    Then I'd like to...
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    What happens if the exhaled vapor freezes up in...

    What happens if the exhaled vapor freezes up in the narrowest point of the tubing? ;)

    I used to think about taking a cardboard tube from the center of a roll of paper towels in our kitchen, and...
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    Idea: How about a nonbreathable frost bib?...

    Idea: How about a nonbreathable frost bib? Hanging in front of your face, a few inches away? That way there would be no question about your breath making it thru and condensing on your quilt. OTOH,...
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    I also still lean towards a frost bib problem....

    I also still lean towards a frost bib problem. But, the observed moisture coming out of the quilt seems to negate that theory. OTOH, any VB should knock that out 100%. At least always has for me....
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    And by "just didn't work", your saying that your...

    And by "just didn't work", your saying that your TQ got wet, right? Strange, strange. Also, considering how much it boosted warmth, if it was letting moisture evaporate off of your body(rather than...
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    OneClick, I think you are going to win the...

    OneClick, I think you are going to win the contest for- VB or no VB/all category- the most struggle with wet TQ. And then you win hands down for mystery source of moisture: apparently not from...
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    OK, got it, that makes sense. What might have...

    OK, got it, that makes sense. What might have worked if you wanted to bother, or just to experiment for fun: VB suit, warm clothes, no quilt.
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    OK, I see this one now. Too hot at 28,...

    OK, I see this one now. Too hot at 28, understandable. But your quilt was soaked? You said elsewhere the moisture comes out of your quilt threads. So it got past this suit? :confused:
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    So, no fun, but it worked? "totally dry first two...

    So, no fun, but it worked? "totally dry first two nights". Was there another night that was not dry? Amazing to hear your description about "oozes out from the threads.". And amazing that your down...
  37. Nice! What luxurious camp sites! Looks like you...

    Nice! What luxurious camp sites! Looks like you had them all to yourself.
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    18 is a bit long, it will add some challenge....

    18 is a bit long, it will add some challenge. It's hard to say exactly. Does this hammock have a structural ridge line? If so, adjust the tension so that the RL is just barely straightened out to...
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    OOPS, my mistake. I guess that stuff sack faked...

    OOPS, my mistake. I guess that stuff sack faked me out. As well as the "4 season insulation" label on the stuff sack, rather than "HH Super Shelter".

    Are the directions(for the old system) still...
  40. Good idea as well! Good to hear from you, as you...

    Good idea as well! Good to hear from you, as you are close to our champ for using an inflatable pad(X-Therm) to zero and below.Ducttape(sp?) would be the other, down to minus 22F, but he used CCF...
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    It really would help. If buying more equipment...

    It really would help. If buying more equipment gets us out in the woods more, well, I think the odds are much lower of catching any infection out there.
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    Hey guys, I think this is the new system. I think...

    Hey guys, I think this is the new system. I think the old system is still available. These 2 systems are significantly different.
    Old system:...
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    Also, that suit might be ridiculous, but a pair...

    Also, that suit might be ridiculous, but a pair of SWL pants and shirt are not quite as ridiculous. Or for that matter, just wearing some rain gear, hopefully non-breathable. But I thought you had a...
  44. 16 oz is a lot of down, should be a good bit of...

    16 oz is a lot of down, should be a good bit of loft, do you know what the loft is? But your problem is going to be the lack of baffles. Which may be why it is only rated to 27F.

    Here is one from...
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    Hey, thanks, bkrgi! I'm always hoping my views...

    Hey, thanks, bkrgi! I'm always hoping my views will prove helpful to some one, especially as some of my approaches are a bit out there. Not to mention rarely used by most folks. Oh well, I always...
  46. Per Bill's tip, I have also experimented stuffing...

    Per Bill's tip, I have also experimented stuffing some of the wing segments from my SPE into my sleeves. That certainly solves issues with my elbows/arms being off of the 25" wide pad I use sometimes...
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    Also, condensation on top of your pad that wets...

    Also, condensation on top of your pad that wets your quilt(added on top of your pad) is a potential problem. I have had no problems with that so far. But, even if I did, I am a fan of Vapor barrier...
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    I hope it helps you, and it is a simple enough...

    I hope it helps you, and it is a simple enough thing to experiment with. In my case, two things are being accomplished. First, as you mention, hopefully filling the valleys. But also, since my pad at...
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    Good for you! I started with an HH Explorer UL,...

    Good for you! I started with an HH Explorer UL, and it (insulated with my HH Super Shelter) is still one of my favs 14 years later!
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    I am surprised at your problems with the pad,...

    I am surprised at your problems with the pad, though I don't know it's R value. I have been pretty warm at least in most spots using a TR NeoAir All Season(R value 4.9) at 25-30F. And this pad is...
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