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yep... i've seen some amussing stuff<g>.

that's good to be aware of.
when i use it though, i do use it on the long axis w/ the gate closed. and i don't use it against the tree, just between two strait lines.
i'm not sure i understand...

that's handy to know teedee.
i have a biner (two actualy) from the climbing section that's rated 8kn & weighs 1.5 ozs.