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  1. I'll tell you when you threaten my life. No, I...

    I'll tell you when you threaten my life.

    No, I still won't tell.
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    Oh yeah how could I forget to mention the VB...

    Oh yeah how could I forget to mention the VB socks!? Even though I was wearing very warm boots and it was rather warm in the 30s, I wore them. Because I knew either way I would be sweating in the...
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    Haha! After the past few winters being weak, I...

    Haha! After the past few winters being weak, I had to take advantage now.

    One thing I'll add: I pitched my Superfly really low the last evening, almost touching the ground. I figured I would have...
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    Yeah I think putting any gear outside will get...

    Yeah I think putting any gear outside will get damp, even covered by a tarp. Or at least that clammy feel. Down or really any kind of fabric is like a sponge. So I'm feeling good about this. Plus, it...
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    After spending a couple nights in cooler weather,...

    After spending a couple nights in cooler weather, I noticed the dampness all around the edge of my TQ footbox after a 19° night. Everything else was dry, but this always seems to be where to vapor...
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    It wasn't at the top of my favorites by any...

    It wasn't at the top of my favorites by any stretch, but just two places I don't really mind "advertising". Definitely nice to get some variety in the same trip.
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    Got down to 19 even in southern IN but I didn't...

    Got down to 19 even in southern IN but I didn't take it there. The footbox was pretty wet on my TQ.

    I ended up going to northern MI where it was 20 a couple nights later. I used it here...in fact,...
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    I just got back from a trip using this. Woah!...

    I just got back from a trip using this. Woah! Needs a separate thread...
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    IN>Deam Wilderness and MI>Fife Lake

    I planned on visiting Dolly Sods for 4-5 days, but the weather looked too crazy especailly for a muddy bog. So I headed south for by usual plan B - Deam Wilderness in southern IN. I gotta say, I am...
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    Guy walks by table and sees camera. Takes camera...

    Guy walks by table and sees camera. Takes camera home. Curiously puts card in computer. Clicks a few times and exclaims "IT'S SHUG!!!!"

    Contacts Shug via youtube and ships it back.
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    That's messed up. Someone needs to park a decoy,...

    That's messed up. Someone needs to park a decoy, hide in the nearby woods wearing a ghillie suit, and take care of some business.
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    That would be great. I remember talking with two...

    That would be great. I remember talking with two guys I ran into during my first winter backpacking trip years ago. We were talking about condensation and pretty much at the same moment we joked how...
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    Thursday Night Rain, possibly mixed with snow...

    Thursday Night
    Rain, possibly mixed with snow showers, becoming all snow after 7pm. Low around 20. Windy, with a northwest wind 20 to 26 mph, with gusts as high as 47 mph. Chance of precipitation is...
  14. I'm heading out for 4 nights tomorrow. Since it...

    I'm heading out for 4 nights tomorrow. Since it gets dark at 6pm now I need to put some effort into staying up at least until 9pm. Going back to my old wine-in-platypus trick which I haven't done in...
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    Not quite. Mine's oldschool, just a staight tube...

    Not quite. Mine's oldschool, just a staight tube of fleece nothing fancy. Now that I think of it I did use it for running in the winter...trying to reduce sucking in cold air.
  16. I never weighed them, but the ease in which they...

    I never weighed them, but the ease in which they stuff after just a couple nights is depressing. Feels like they shrink to half the original size.
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    I just realized there are these different weights...

    I just realized there are these different weights as I looked on Amazon. I have the lightweight. But since Buffs are about 82 miles long, I assume everyone "folds" it in half. So the thickness is...
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    Speaking of Buffs, I can't find mine! I really...

    Speaking of Buffs, I can't find mine! I really need it by tomorrow...$17 for another with free next day shipping on amazon. I think I'll chance it and just keep looking. It's probably somewhere weird...
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    Can you squeeze both in the room? I thought about...

    Can you squeeze both in the room? I thought about doing that, but then realized "do I need to be in the master bedroom?" So I just hang in the basement or another room. But you in the hammock and the...
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    +1. I set my SLD winter haven up recently and I...

    +1. I set my SLD winter haven up recently and I wasn't able to get ANY of the snaps to fasten. I didn't want to reset all the stakes, so I just fiddled with one end to get some more slack and it was...
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    Here's a photo of what I mentioned above. You can...

    Here's a photo of what I mentioned above. You can see the center pole is touching the tarp nicely. You can hardly tell but the last one has a small gap; same with the closest pole (not pictured)....
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    That would be interesting. I'm taking the 20°...

    That would be interesting. I'm taking the 20° quilt set and all I ever wear (even down to my -16F record) is a set of long underwear. This time I'll just wear a thinner set. But I'll probably skip...
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    I'm still undecided where to go this...

    I'm still undecided where to go this Thursday-Monday. Now I'm thinking about full on winter mode with temps down to 20 or lower. So I could be testing this VB quilt liner sooner than planned, but...
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    Well that's a good thing if you plan on colder...

    Well that's a good thing if you plan on colder weather. My attempt at a fully enclosed setup was a disaster around 30°. Basically a 30° jungle...condensation, half frozen all over everything. That...
  25. Dave doesn't play around. UL...only need to carry...

    Dave doesn't play around. UL...only need to carry about 1/4 cup of gasoline since you can take down 6 trees in one swipe.
  26. Sounds risky but it could work if you were forced...

    Sounds risky but it could work if you were forced to for some reason.

    It does remind me of one of my favorites from Rockets Redglare:

    In Very Cold Weather, Ditch the Tarp - Use A Flexi-Duct
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    I passed on these for years, then finally got...

    I passed on these for years, then finally got one. It's amazing! Thin and light but when it's bunched up on your neck it's a life saver in the cold wind. Plus you can pull it up to cover your mouth,...
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    I could never wear one of those sleeping. Maybe...

    I could never wear one of those sleeping. Maybe one of the really loose "hood" types, but not the skintight versions. Even when I wore those skiing I never really like it. A hat/buff does the trick...
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    Yes, majority of the time. Works great, but I...

    Yes, majority of the time. Works great, but I could understand if some felt claustrophobic. It's not 100% comfortable but the benefits I mentioned above outweigh everything else. Sometimes I'll just...
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    Even if I block all my breath, and I'm sure I do,...

    Even if I block all my breath, and I'm sure I do, my foot end is always still frosted over like a freezer from the '30s. It's crazy how much vapor bellows out from the foot end of my UQ. Can't really...
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    I have a somewhat stiff fleece blanket material,...

    I have a somewhat stiff fleece blanket material, so I sort of make a "tent" with it on top of my face.

    1. Keeps condensation off most everything under the tarp
    2. Keep TQ dry
    3. Blocks light...
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    I do the "frost bib" that you'll see Shug and a...

    I do the "frost bib" that you'll see Shug and a lot of others use. Absolutely necessary otherwise the area around your chin will be SOAKED after just minutes. Instead of clipping it to the ridgeline,...
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    Just got this in. Nice quality, good length,...

    Just got this in. Nice quality, good length, REALLY ugly khaki/tan color. The seam isn't sealed so I wonder if those thread holes will leak enough body moisture to matter? I think I'll try it first...
  34. Thread: inside tent?

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    After eating backpacking food, camp food, beer,...

    After eating backpacking food, camp food, beer, etc. I wouldn't want to put anyone thru sleeping in close quarters with me. Pretty much blowing it up ALL night.
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    I'm tempted to change plans and go up next week...

    I'm tempted to change plans and go up next week if it keeps adding up! I won't be able to make the official Green Timbers trip in Feb.
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    MI>Green Timbers 2020 teaser

    I'll let Dave post the official thread on Green Timbers 2020...but I had to share this. The 45th Parallel Snowstick not far from camp is officially in action with some white stuff! (as of 8am October...
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    It crossed my mind but that's close to 10hrs...

    It crossed my mind but that's close to 10hrs which is too much, at least for this trip. Didn't know about the permits, another thing I don't do. (Man I sound like a real batch!)
  38. Looks nice for those really cold winter trips -...

    Looks nice for those really cold winter trips - wear under those layers to keep sensitive gear warm. Maybe even a holster for your g word.
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    Thanks! TallPaul just informed me about the bear...

    Thanks! TallPaul just informed me about the bear canister requirement which I want nothing to do with, so I scratched it. Plan A better work!
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    It started as a joke but then I actually...

    It started as a joke but then I actually considered it. I think I'll start with the VB bag first and see how it goes. Looking forward to having a 100% dry (or close to it) TQ in the deep winter.
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    It's amazing how that works. My feet are probably...

    It's amazing how that works. My feet are probably the sweatiest...or at least first to sweat. Last winter after hiking and working hard for about 5 hours there was NO actual liquid buildup inside the...
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    Thanks for that idea. I've always been a loyal...

    Thanks for that idea. I've always been a loyal Amazon card user. I put everything on there and pay it off like you said...just more convenient than cash or anything else.

    I need to spend a lot...
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    I like that 10-12hr rule. More like 9 for me, but...

    I like that 10-12hr rule. More like 9 for me, but close enough. I can add on those few extra hours if pressed.

    It's really amazing how much more is on the menu when I look at 8hr drives. NC, TN,...
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    They're the worst. What are we gonna do with them.

    They're the worst. What are we gonna do with them.
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    Yeah it's slick too. And nails-on-a-chalkboard...

    Yeah it's slick too. And nails-on-a-chalkboard feel IMO. It's hard to beat a good cushy pillow with down or some similar synthetic fill.
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    I hope an added benefit will be "sharing" the...

    I hope an added benefit will be "sharing" the warmth. I may not need socks since my feet will be in the same warm climate as my entire body. Kind of like fingers in gloves vs mittens. I wouldn't want...
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    Apparently the two he did (like Dave's above)...

    Apparently the two he did (like Dave's above) were a nightmare. Just a lot of labor eating into time for other orders. Of course it wouldn't hurt to ask again.
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    You might be OK then. Still clammy, but not in a...

    You might be OK then. Still clammy, but not in a life-threatening way in the deep winter. Check out that one on amazon. Very short at about 9', but if you can make it work....
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    I don't think we can specify an exact timeframe...

    I don't think we can specify an exact timeframe for mildew given the variables, but I would guess weeks not days for that.
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    I considered clothing, but this will eliminate...

    I considered clothing, but this will eliminate any extra clothing and possible leaks. I like the idea of one opening I can easily control. 10oz and done with one item. Better not leak!
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