my first whoopie sling

[Knotty]

It's steps 8 and 9 that lose me.

A was created by pulling the tail thru the standing part and then pulling hard to roll the knot.

If you unroll A, then it would be back to allowing the tail to move through the hole, not the standing part.

Can someone help me understand this step?

[Knotty]

OK. Figured it out. When the instructions say to "unroll A" to me that means undo what you've done.

Perhaps more accurately they should say to continue the roll bringing the the line up and through.

The process wasn't too hard with 7/64" Amsteel but I don't think Zing-It/Lash-It will yield enough to use this technique.

[cavscout]

I don't know, this all looks like the Kennedy Magic Bullet theory. So by "continue the roll bringing the the line up and through" are you saying the not at 'A' should be pulled on around so the fibers are twisted into the original hole 'A'

It would seem that making knot 'B' and then threading that knot through point 'A' would achieve the same effect but it does quite a bit of fiber twisting against the normal weave of the cord.

[GrizzlyAdams]

OK. Figured it out. When the instructions say to "unroll A" to me that means undo what you've done.

Perhaps more accurately they should say to continue the roll bringing the the line up and through.

I had the same issue. Undoing what I'd done didn't get me to the right topology. Had to, paraphrasing "Deep Throat", follow the arrows.

I don't know, this all looks like the Kennedy Magic Bullet theory. So by "continue the roll bringing the the line up and through" are you saying the not at 'A' should be pulled on around so the fibers are twisted into the original hole 'A'

yes there is some topological magic going on here. Here's what's going on with A...steps 2,3, and 4 from the NER instructions
roll-1.jpgroll-2.jpgroll-3.jpg

Here the short end is on the right. Important topological feature---the short end emerges behind this hole. The reason that is important is that we are going to hook the long end and pull it through the hole, but we have to do that from the proper direction.
roll-4.jpg
I've got my loop puller coming from the backside of the hole out, and will hook the long end and pull a loop through.
roll-5.jpg

There is this bulge of twisted fiber...but what has happened is that we've transfered the twist we created pulling the line through to the far side of the hole, to be canceled out by the twist we've just introduced. You can finishing pulling the loop through there at the base and the bulge vanishes.
roll-6.jpg

Viola! Just as the diagram suggests.

"Unrolling" B does seem to be the obvious undoing of what you just did. When you're done there are no extra twists in the cord.
roll-8.jpg

[GrizzlyAdams]

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But possible. There's the thing. When I popped fixed eyes on fulminated's BMBH I didn't know about this approach, and couldn't do a locked Brummel on both corner eyes. Could Not Do It. Now I can.

now an "Ah duh" moment rather than an "Ah hah". The eye you get using this NER technique is not something you can get around the corner ring or tab of a hammock directly. It gets created by pulling the rope through one of these folded over holes you create ("B" in the diagram).

Still a useful technique to know, this, but not AS useful as I'd first imagined.

[hunter]

I must ask which rope you use when you do a whooie sling,I have onley do flyfish leader- it`s the same technique.

[cavscout]

It's 7/64" Amsteel. It can be purchased from Redden Marine

Excellent Griz! Thanks. I'll give it another try tonight.

[attrezzo]

Congrats on your first time.

One of the pitfalls of this site is too much info. Sometimes you wish someone would take a multi-page message thread and just summarize the result.

Wiki?

I'd help work on a page or two of a wiki. It'd be really cool to have a nifty camping wiki that linked up the basics of hammocking, slings, etc.

Wonder if we could convince the keeper of hammockforums.net to start something like that?

[opie]

now an "Ah duh" moment rather than an "Ah hah". The eye you get using this NER technique is not something you can get around the corner ring or tab of a hammock directly. It gets created by pulling the rope through one of these folded over holes you create ("B" in the diagram).

Still a useful technique to know, this, but not AS useful as I'd first imagined.

That is a downer. You cant build the eye with anything in it.

A solution.... DO a simple fixed eye bury and stitch it.

[cavscout]

Still a useful technique to know, this, but not AS useful as I'd first imagined.

Thanks for the pics Griz. Got it last night. It was good for me to be able to create a dead eye with a locked brummel on the end of a 30' length of rope without having to pull all 30' through the tail end.