Originally Posted by Strategic
I must be missing something, but I just don't get the idea of why you would use these cleats. It seems like you're doing exactly the same thing as the regular hammock lashing but with the extra element of the cleat thrown in. That's rather gilding the lily as far as I'm concerned. The lashing is so simple (at least to me) and slip-proof in the first place I just don't see why you'd mess with it if that's how your hammock was built (as my HH was.)
It's not that there's not room for improvement. I made some poly tree-huggers first thing, a bit longer than my originals, for instance, but in general I've just never had a problem setting up or tearing down quickly and lashings done properly don't slip. Of course, I did spend twelve years as a theatre tech and spent some time around racing boats, so I guess rigging and lashing is pretty much second nature to me.
Now if you're doing a DIY, then of course you'll build it how you like (straps and ring buckles appears to be the favorite there, and I must admit I can see why.) But if you're using rope it just seems to be complicating the process to add hardware beyond what's necessary to get a lashing point.
What am I not seeing about these things?
No you're not missing a thing really.
And yes the cleats are theoretically the same as the Hennessy lashing. BUT, try explaining the Hennessy lashing to somebody that doesn't have your background in working with rope and knots. Hennessy has a video on how to do the lashing and still quite a few people end up asking how to do it and switching to something else in frustration.
As far as the cleats being easier - IMO yes. Show somebody a cleat and they will immediately recognize how to work it. It is just so obvious. Have them do it a few times and then show them the Hennessy lashing and the light bulb might
go on, but don't count on it.
As far as choosing between the cleat and the Hennessy lashing - for me that is easy, the cleat wins every time - I have struggled with the lashing, threading the rope through and around while trying to hold the tension on the rope. Found I needed at least one more pair of hands to do both. Never could pull the lashing as tight as I like to pull the ridge line - just couldn't pull the tension that tight and hold it that tight while fumbling with wrapping and tucking, especially the first wrap. Just couldn't do it most of the time. Maybe 1 tries in 20 I could get it somewhat tight.
Now if I have to repeat the exercise again to re-tension the suspension then I am very quickly looking for another method, be that cleat, ring buckle, CC buckle or HitchCraft Rope tie or whatever.
Also, I have struggled with too many knots/lashings when the rope is wet. It just doesn't slide back through the knot/lashing anywhere near as easily as when dry. Now throw in cold on top of wet and you have a rope that is just a pain to work with and if the knot/lashing has gotten frozen during the night, then you are in for a real struggle undoing even the simple Hennessy lashing. Been there, done that as they say. I will avoid it if possible.
With the cleat, I pull tight and wrap one cleat and the cleat holds the rope while I wrap the next cleat. Once the second cleat is wrapped, the rope isn't going anywhere until I unwrap.
As far as wet or frozen or covered in ice, that makes no difference with the cleat or the ring buckle or the HitchCraft Rope Tie. I haven't used the CC buckle, so will let others comment on their use when wet and/or frozen.
As far as weight, the simple Hennessy lashing or something similar is going to be the lightest option no argument.
The cleats add 1.25 oz each or 2.5 oz for the suspension over the simple Hennessy lashing. Simple to figure.
The ring buckles are 0.4 oz each or 1.6 oz for the suspension (4 needed), then subtract the weight of the rope you cut off and then add in even more for the webbing you have to add and the ring buckles are about equivalent to the cleats in weight. If you don't cut the rope off, then the ring buckles are going to be heavier than the cleats. Also, even if you cut off excess rope, the ring buckles can be even heavier than the cleats depending on how much webbing you need or want.
The CC buckles are 1.6 oz each or 3.2 oz for the suspension and so are 1.6 oz heavier than either the cleats or the ring buckles. The heavy duty CC buckles weigh 2.4 oz each and will add 3.2 oz over the cleats or ring buckles. All comments regarding the ring buckles regarding webbing weight and cutting off excess rope apply to the CC buckles.
Th HitchCraft Rope Ties are the heaviest of the lot being slightly heavier than the heavy duty CC buckles, weighing in at 2.9 oz each or 5.8 oz for the pair needed. Assuming you are going to be using the Monster size.
So rating the options based on weight, it comes out prettty much as: (lightest to heaviest)
1. simple Hennessy lashing
2. cleat and ring buckle with excess rope cut off and depending on amount of webbing
3. Ring buckle w/o excess rope cut off or with more webbing
4. CC buckle
5. Heavy duty CC buckle
6. HitchCraft Monster Rope Tie.
The advantage of both the cleats and the HitchCraft Rope is that you don't have to modify the Hennesy suspension in any way or add in any webbing.
But a lot of people think the weight gain is more than offset by the convenience.
People are just looking for something that doesn't require a brand new skill that takes a few years to really master.
If all of the devices disappeared tomorrow, then everybody would use knots until they re-invented something easier and faster to learn and master. You had already master the skill, so the devices were superfluous for you.