Originally Posted by Cannibal
I haven't put it on the scales, but it sure FEELS like it weighs 4 pounds. I keep it in the original stuff sack, which is waaaay too heavy for what it is, but I'm fairly certain my webbing, rings, biners, and stock stuff sack don't weigh almost 2 pounds.
I'll toss it on the scale when I get home tonight.
OK, here are the direct apples to apples comparisons(except the Safari has no net)
1:WBBB 1.7 dbl layer + webbing/cinch buckle and stock Bishop stuff sack. 2 lb 10 oz with biners accounting for 4-5 oz of this weight
2:HH DJ XL in stuff sack with full stock suspension(rope/huggers and stuff sack) 2lb 4oz
3:HH Safari with full stock suspension(rope/huggers) inside DJ stuff sack 2lb 6 oz
So once you include the stock HH net, the safari would be a few oz heavier, and if you included webbing/CB suspension, maybe a few oz more(or, you could lighten up with Whoopies!). But really not a huge dif, I used to think it would be like twice as much! But like I said, a lot of the stock weight is the PU nylon hex tarp which is included.
Originally Posted by NewtonGT
this is a great thread. Ill be honest, I only got an expedition because a friend of mine had one and I didnt join this forum til I had already purchased one, so its safe to say I really didn't do any research and I know that If I do stay hammocking and figure out a way to sleep on my back then I will most certainly purchase a Longer Hennessy in the future
Originally Posted by ChrisH
Yet another great review, BB! The Safari could be my next hammock! You could probably get it without the tarp for $60 less as well. There's quite a bit you can do to a stock HH to shave weight. If I can get the Safari down to 2lbs or less it's light enough for me. A little added weight for a lot more comfort!
Just thought it was worth mentioning for the people who do not know, HH makes the Safari with a zipper now.
Thanks guys. Though I do consider the Safari hands down the most comfortable over all gathered end hammock for me, the DJ XL is mighty comfortable also. If I had that ( or any other hammock that I was really pleased with) I likely would not spend additional big $ on a Safari. And, for those gram counting trips, there is the weight to consider. Even if it is not way heavier than some of the other best hammocks, like a WBBB 1.7 or a BMBH. ( But all of those hammocks also have double layers and nets and zippers so, it is the heaviest by at least a few to more than a few oz. But Oh so comfortable, and I really don't even need a pillow)
Originally Posted by TeeDee
BillyBob - totally agree with you about the Safari. It is a VERY comfortable hammock.
If it wasn't for my Bridges I would be sorely tempted to use the Safari all the time. The Safari is the hammock that really made plain to me that I DO NOT like the bug netting a few inches from my face like in the other Hennessy, the ULBA.
The Safari is a HUGE cave. When I have it properly hung, the ridge line is is almost at fingertip height above my face. That keeps the bug netting a LONG ways above me.
My biggest problems with the Safari as the main hammock originate from it's size. The very criteria that makes it so comfortable.
In order to hang it properly with the proper sag for me, even a 16' tree span is barely manageable. The huggers have to be very high for me to get a proper hang. The height is a direct result of the hammock length. If I hang at the same height as the ULBA or my Bridges, I'm literally laying flat out on the ground. The length means that the sag puts the ridge line very high which means that to get my butt off the ground high enough to make entry/exit somewhat graceful, the ridge line must be VERY HIGH which puts the huggers way up there. With a 16' tree span, the huggers are above 6' for me, way above, inches short of 7'. The only way to keep the huggers at about to 6' is to pull the suspension VERY tight.
The other problem is the sheer size of the hammock when in the stuff sack - it is huge in comparison to my bridges which are not much bigger than double fist sized.
The other problem is the size relegates it pretty to a summer only hammock. Buying or making under quilts, while not much harder than for other gathered end hammocks, would be very expensive in terms of yardage and down. That is a LOT of under side to protect. Probably why Hennessy doesn't make a Super Shelter for the Safari.
As a summer time car camper hammock, it would be great.
Thanks Tee Dee, glad there are some who agree with me about the Safari's comfort being about the best of the non-bridge. And for me, it is even quite competitive with my bridge for OVERALL comfort and might even be the winner all things considered.
Your other points are quite valid. And insulation is a potential problem. However, I have found my WB torso fits quite well thank goodness. And when I tried my JRB MW4 it got the job done also. Of course, it fails to cover lots of the hammock. But, it covered me well enough.
I have never yet taken this hammock on a back packing trip, probably thought it weighed too much. But I think I will start considering it, especially on trips where I might be planning using one of my heavier hammocks any way.
EDIT: Cannibal, I just saw your last post. I see that weight included the stock tarp. How much does that stock tarp weigh? I'm thinking ~ 25 oz?