Join Date: May 2011
DangerBird "68" vs. WBBB 1.1d
I had not heard of Papa-Smurf, Dream Hammock or a DangerBird until I went to the Washington Mid-Winter Hang in February 2012. (If you don't want to get sucked down the rabbit hole, then stay away from these group hang things!). Mugs and BlueSkies both had DBs, which were 'custom' sized (no set pattern then) and they were both raving mad about their rigs. I caved in and ordered a DB 72 a couple of months ago, after Randy announced the longer length. I got a Black DB 72 order & the second one I decided to get in digital camo (after seeing that someone else on here had this color). Randy contacted me and advised that the fabric only came in a 68" width. As the DB 60 is 60" wide & the DB 72 is 72" wide, it seems like this should be a DB 68. I'll post some more comments & photos as I get time.
To give you a little background, I'm about 5'7" and 190. I have 2 ENO Doubles, 5 Kammoks, a GT Double, and then I've had a few more bought & sold. I've found that - for me - the longer the length of the hammock, the more comfortable the lay.
I purchased both a WBBB 1.1d & a 1.7d over a year ago. They allowed backpacking/camping in buggy weather. In use I found that I preferred my WBBB 1.1d over my WBBB 1.7d. I purchased another 1.1d a few months later.
I love the "shelf" feature of the WBBBs and I find that the straps & buckles are very convienent to use. The 'footbox' was innovative. After using them for awhile, I noticed some things that I didn't like. I found the color selection a bit to be desired (green or green? grey or gray?). After a while, I noticed that I didn't like not having a view on the shelf side (you have to set them up for your "view" when you initially hang). I noticed that the interior dimensions seemed a little cramped, after using my ENO's and Kammok. For me, I found that I had some calf pressure issues with the WBBBs. It took a lot of fiddling for me to get rid of it. I usually end up with a pillow or pack under my knees to help alleviate this. I found that I had more calf pressure issues with the 1.7d; to the point that I sold the 1.7 a few weeks ago to a friend. I found that when using an UQ, it frequently slid around on my WBBBs. I sewed on some loops along the length of my WBBBs to hold my UQs in place. I think that Brandon could improve the design of the WBBB, but his sales are good enough that he doesn't need to. I'd suggest adding about 1' in length & putting some loops along the length for attachment points for UQ's or... That being said, I still really like my WBBBs and take them out frequently for my kids to use.
I also have a TTTG SwitchBack 1.1d in blue. In use, I found it to be more comfortable than my WBBB 1.1d. It is odd in that it actually hangs better when stretched tight between trees, as opposed to the preferred '30* angle' of most hammocks.
I don't usually like camo, but it's been growing on me. 1st a camo ULA Catalyst and now a digital camo DB. When I opened the package, I really liked the digital camo. The bottom is a double layer. When the layers overlap, they give you an interplay between the two patterns, that cause more shades of camo, which vary as you move!
I had about an hour to try out my DB 68 tonight. My initial impression is that the DangerBird by Dream Hammocks is an creative, thoughtful design.
It feels HUGE inside. Size wise, it feels similar to my Kammoks. I can really get a diagonal lay & it is more comfortable than my WBBB when laying on my side. It looks like Randy puts in a lot of attention to the details; very neat & tidy seams & stitching.
There are several thoughtful features that were included. Instead of a shelf, there was a mesh pocket along the ridgline. There were two pockets on each side & then ends opened up for storage along the entire length. Not as much storage as the WBBB shelf, but it's more visible, movable & easier to find items. Randy used reflective tie outs on the sides, whoopie slings on both ends (heavy duty Amsteel along with a bead sewn in!), he included tree straps, a bishop bag and all of the zippers had reflective pulls on both the inside & outside. In addition, there were reflective loops sewn in along the length for stabizing a UQ. In fact, several of the upgrades that I think should be on WBBBs (granted, the DB is about an extra $50 in a double layer).
There are a couple of trade-offs that I noticed in use in comparison to my WBBB. I miss the double ended zipper. Which is to say that I liked having two zippers meeting in the middle (WBBB), where you could have both meet at your feet or your head or anywhere in between. With the DB, you trade this 'versatility' for having only one zipper which has to be closed all the way at the end. The trade off for this is that you can have a bug net or an overcover in use. When using the bug net, it zips along both sides of the ridgeline, allowing viewing out either side of the hammock. When using the overcover, it also zips in along both side of the ridgeline, but from the other end. When not in use, the bug net, overcover or both will stuff into a built-in stuff sack (one on each end). The DB is definitely larger in the bishop bag and weighs more than a WBBB. This is of no consequence to me, as I'll almost always take comfort in my sleep system over weight.
When both the bug net and overcover were stowed, the DB felt similar to my Kammok, but wider. It also had a built-in ridgeline. I could feel the breeze running across my skin, cooling. When the bug net was up, it cut down on the breeze, maybe adding 5* in warmth, by somewhat forstalling the convection of heat. The ridgeline was up higher than on my WBBBs (due to the extra length of the hammock), which made it feel much bigger inside. When the bug net was stowed and the overcover was in use, it felt like about a 10* increase in warmth. I don't think that the overcover would add much to wet weather protection, but it would definitely be a boon in the coolness of fall or winter. When deployed without the side tie-outs in use, I noticed that the fabric on the sides was very loose. Similar to the Snipe, but without the bungee. I think that this will be eliminated when I use the tie-outs.
My initial impression is that I like my DB 68d better than my WBBB 1.1d. It has a lot more room, great outfitting, will allow for a greater temperature range & I don't have the calf pressure issues.