Originally Posted by BillyBob58
So Miguel, is this right: removing a nylon layer of hammock from between you and the Neoair pad warmed you up significantly, and warmed your feet up as well? And did your back dry out also? Or do you attribute this increase in warmth to something other than getting the pad out of the sleeve? Very, very interesting!
And about the noise: are you talking about a popping sound, like when you pop the bubbles in packing material? I did not notice it much with a Neoair All Season in the pad sleeve of a JRB BMBH, but when I laid on the floor with it it popped like crazy. When I laid on it again next day, the popping noise was much reduced but still there. Has me wondering what all of that is.
Putting this pad inside the JRB BMBH pad sleeve totally did away with any shoulder issues and also allowed me to sleep full fetal with no problems. And felt pretty comfy, and way too warm at the temps we had a few days ago. I love the idea of being able to replace an UQ with a pad. Especially on trips where I even occasionally end up above timberline. Normally I count on my sit/leg pad for that rare emergency go to ground situation. But using a 2.5" Neoair for hammock insulation doesn't weigh much more or take up much more room than an UQ. And it sure would be a lot less miserable on the ground than my WM blue leg pad.
But I'm not sure I don't still prefer the MW UQs/BMBH combo for comfort over the pad/bmbh combo. 1st, the shoulder issue does not really bother me much any more. I am plenty comfy on my back anyway, and I really like the way the top quilt seems to be "funneled" down onto me, very snug. Most of all I like to get on my side and lean back into the side of the BMBH, and the sides support my back very well. And the MW UQs go up high around the sides providing me total warmth. It's a little less stable doing that with the pad, plus the area I lean on won't be insulated unless I figure something out with a piece of CCF. Now, there is enough room on my side where I don't have to lean into the side, but I do like to do it.
Then again, a pad/hammock combo that is pretty comfy is just so much more secure than an UQ. No moisture issues, I don't think wind would be as much of an issue, and good to go for any ground or shelter situation that might arise. Sigh. ( hopefully all of the above relates to the OP of UQ and sleeping pad? )
Let me start by saying that was my first full night using the Xlite so I'm still figuring this all out. I think having the Thermarest Zlite in the hammock while the Xlite was in the sleeve, prevented my entire upper body from being able to heat the air in the mattress. The Xlite may have heated up in the sleeve if I had simply removed the Zlite. My problem seems to be....I need wings. It's difficult creating wings that fit in the sleeve with the Xlite. (I tried) It's VERY easy to put wings under the Xlite when it's in the hammock with you. As I said before I cut a Thermarest Zlite in half. It weighs 6oz, packs pretty small (accordion) and is the PERFECT width to go under the pad/mattress and cover your shoulders.
Regarding noise...I have heard some of the older ones and they are VERY noisy...not sure what causes it. I can say mine is not noisy at all.
I may consider some other method of attaching smaller wings independently...kind like in a SPE but without the SPE. There has to be a solution. Here's a thought outside the box....how about something you wear...sort of like body armour...a thin pad that wraps half way around your upper arm and is held on by two elastic straps.
In any event I'm going to try out the Xlite in the sleeve but without the Zlite. I'll bet it warms right up.
I also thought I should add...a couple of times in the Smokies the fog was so heavy I really got concerned about my ability to keep my down UQ dry. A few straight days of that and you might as well leave it out in the rain. That would not have been a concern with a pad/mattress. Things like this might not be that important on shorter hikes where you know what the weather will be but on long hike you better be prepared for all scenarios.