Originally Posted by jdbushcraft
OK. So no experience with a single layer hammock and a pad? Switching hammocks really isn't in the cards for me. I'll grab a pad and just give it a shot and see what happens. Thanks!
Oh there is plenty of experience using a pad with single layer hammocks, it's just that for most of us it is not a pleasant experience. The main problem is staying on top of one as you move around in your sleep, and for many folks just general comfort and maybe sweat problems. But yes, it can be done in a single layer, and has been, but most folks don't like it, seems to me. A double layer hammock or an SPE solve most of those issues, but most still don't like them, while a few have no issues, all is good with a pad in a double layer or with an SPE.
Plus, pad use in a JRB BMBH double layer can be just great, really starts getting quite competitive with a quilt for overall comfort.
Originally Posted by neo
here are a couple pics of my phoneix 20 degree uq with 2 oz overstuff with my claytor jungle hammock a few weeks ago.it got down to 27 degrees with very very heavy frost.i been winter hammock camping 8 years now.i have never been cold until i switched from my pad to an underquilt.i wasted money on the switch.i guess i been a pad user to long lol
Neo, I was wondering how the UQ thing would work out for you. IMO, it is simple: pads are just much more bombproof than UQs assuming you can stay on them. ( don't shoot me UQ fans,
just IMHO! ) Uqs can be wonderful, but let's face it, there are many things that can go wrong, and these things ( mainly adjustments ) must be pretty much perfect. Hence, what seems to me a huge number of threads on here like this one, or like "hey, my back was cold at 30 in my 20 UQ, what am I doing wrong?"! Lets face it, there are a lot of threads like that correct? Now, unless someone is just using a pad that is plain too thin for the temps, how often do you see a thread like " HELP, my back was cold at 30 on my 1/2" thick CCF WM blue pad, or on my Neoair All Season, etc"? Rare as hens teeth. They may hate the pads for various other reasons, but lack of warmth is not very often one of those reasons. You lay on the pad and warmth is felt, end of story. Drafts, gaps or moisture are not likely to be an issue in making the pad cold. Though if you sweat on the pad you might have other insulation related problems I suppose. One little gap or draft with an UQ, game over until you fix it, assuming you know what to fix. So if you want guaranteed warmth, no worries about moisture accumulating in your down UQ, and ability to go to ground, pads win hands down. I've been saying this a bunch of years, even though I mostly don't use pads. But I always have a pad for backup and multi-use.