I am suspending selling the speed hooks

**12trysomething** · 01-21-2015, 18:29

Another example of how great your brand is! I am going to continue to use my speed hooks, under caution, as you continue to work on this making sure I check for wear. Now get back to work!

**BuckeyePaddler** · 01-21-2015, 18:31

That's too bad, Dutch, but I commend you for doing this.

**jwright** · 01-21-2015, 18:47

I have a pair of whoopie hooks I can trade for some speed hooks if anybody is interested in swapping. I think the speed hooks were $8 a pair, so 2 pair would be an even trade.
Jason

**ADKGuy** · 01-21-2015, 18:52

I suspected this might happen. Just with my limited use it seemed like a lot of pressure on the rope.

**krshome** · 01-21-2015, 19:04

Thanks for the heads up Dutch heck I only paid 5 bucks for mine so worth being on the cutting edge of hammock design. Hope you find a safe substitute. I had already gone back to Whoopie Hooks on a UCR's due to fraying continuous loops, even after cleaning them up. So no big deal. Keep up the great work.

**MAD777** · 01-21-2015, 19:05

I have complete faith in you Dutch! When pushing the envelope and going where no hanger has gone before, there are going to be some surprises in uncharted territory. I'm. Sure you'll get it all figured out. I for one, like hanging on the edge and your ingenuity has always facilitated that!

**jlink79** · 01-21-2015, 19:08

Just to clarify the failure point. If used with say 2' between hugger & hook, then used with 3' between hugger & hook it failed at the 2' mark where the amsteel was in the adjustment eye of the speed hook. Is this right, or is it the half turn after the eye that is causing the failure? I have to think it is the latter because we would see the same compression/adjustment on the whoopie hooks if used in the adjustable loop. If in the fixed eye we would see issues of continuous compression and chaffing with the whoopie hooks.

**OutandBack** · 01-21-2015, 19:12

Originally Posted by Dutch

Between the hook and the hugger. Not at the hook but where is was used before. I took a pair that I had used with body weight from several hangs and then tested it. Both broke between 850 and 900 pounds. It didn't break where the hook was at testing but there it had been previously. The compression really degrades the rope.

So the amsteel rope failed because it was used in the hook? Did I understand that right?
Or was it the amsteel portion that was pinched in the speed hooks whole?

**IRONFISH45** · 01-21-2015, 19:16

Originally Posted by Five Tango

Also,I have never seen anyone over 400 pounds and only one of those for that matter.I bet the average hanger is less than 300 pounds.

Come out to Oregon, I see a lot of what I think of as Super Size People. I know and see people on a regular basis who are around 400 pounds, larger people are around. Plus most people are lousy guessers on how much someone weighs.

The stress on the line is not just the weight of the human, the angle of the hammock and all the bits and pieces is where the weight multiplies.

**Nodust** · 01-21-2015, 19:17

Originally Posted by OutandBack

So the amsteel rope failed because it was used in the hook? Did I understand that right?
Or was it the amsteel portion that was pinched in the speed hooks whole?

Mine failed where it was worn from previous use. The loop around the speed hook puts plenty stress on a very small length of line and this started fraying the amsteel. This was on the fifth use. I did notice I had only three worn spots from previous uses, so maybe I hit the same spot twice on two different hangs and that is where it failed. I was expecting something to happen so I sat very slow and it gave.