Eno sub 7

[DelayedNeutron]

I'm sorry you haven't been able to locate a good setup from the cottage vendors. Perhaps you should start a new thread about that?

My point was that this is a thread about the ENO sub7, and it would appear that you might have missed that.

I've located several GREAT setups from cottage vendors. But they're spendy.

You stated in your post how expensive ENO is, and implied it a waste of money. I was countering it.

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[keatham]

I just picked up a second sub7 to keep with me pretty much all the time, it's so light. I find it to be a very comfortable hammock for sleeping, so I imagine it will be the same for lounging.

One thing I like about ENO actually IS the price. Because they are mass produced, with just a little internet savvy and/or patience, you can always find them way below MSRP or gently used. I just picked up the sub 7 and Helios straps new on eBay for $50.


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[dakotaross]

I've located several GREAT setups from cottage vendors. But they're spendy.

You stated in your post how expensive ENO is, and implied it a waste of money. I was countering it.

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Oh, I totally misunderstood. Well, still not going to talk specifically about "setup" in a thread about a specific hammock, but I will offer my less than $20 Grand Trunk of similar dimensions and weight and add climbing caribiners for $4 each. There you go, same basic hammock for at least $40 less.

As far as cottage makes go, its really difficult to make a good comparison of apples to apples because its so hard to find a sub 9' hammock. Best I could do is a 9' one at Simply Light Designs for $28, but equivalent with loops and biners would be about $42, plus shipping. Comparable weight, more hammock, both length and width, and again, less money.

From this point, your setup can go in multiple directions based on camping style, needs, wants, budget, etc. Its really difficult to compare setups for reasons that certain aspects (like weight) matter greatly to some, and not to others like yourself. The hammock part of the setup is really basic. For the netless variety, a small $20 hammock is likely to perform about as well as the sub7, maybe even as well as a more expensive, bigger hammock. A lot of us have had shorter hammocks before and going longer and/or wider made a positive difference. Because its directly where you sleep, its a very personal choice based on what works for you. Other parts of the system can vary in price based on what your wants and needs are. No one should be panned for covering there own wants and needs, no matter how exaggerated or minimal they might be.

[dirtwheels]

DelayedNeutron does not have a Sub7. His comments have been about ant ENO bias and how his bargain kit compares to cottage vendor kits.

Just looking at hammock + suspension you have the ENO Sub7 + Helios Suspension System at $104.90 and 10.6 ounces and a Dutchware 11ft Hexon 1.0 hammock with whoopie hook suspension and polyester tree huggers for $81 and 11.1 ounces.

So for $23.90 savings in cost you add half an ounce in weight but get a longer hammock.

[dkurfiss]

Folks,

Keep your comments and responses focused on the ENO sub7 and NOT ENO in general. If you wish to discuss ENO brand in general feel free to open a new thread in the ENO section. Any further "thread drift" will be removed from this thread.

Thank you

[TrailDaze]

I love it for daypack lounging in the mountains

[Kroma]

The ENO Sub7 is made from 70D Nylon Taffeta Ripstop according to their website. That's about a 1.9 ripstop I believe. Imagine how much lighter the Sub7 could be if they used a 1.1 or 1.0 fabric. Probably the decrease in weight limit would cut sales...and too many returns from people ripping it.

[Benson Burner]

The sub 7 is pretty cool. My son has one, and I like to take it out for rests, when I go back packing at 10 oz.s for it and the suspension, it makes a good gear sling. I carry it when the ground is soggy, sometimes I don't but it doesn't weigh that much-to me, to bring in addition to my hammock for sleeping

[Eustace]

Love this guy! Shug's attitude about life and hammocking is worth repeating.

[Yosef]

I took my sub 7 out this week for my first overnight test. I am 6"4 210 so I am pushing the limits a bit but I have been working hard on getting my pack weight down. I set it up at Doll Flats on the AT with a hammock gear underquilt. I slept very well in it but my feet did fall out a few times and it wasn't a flat lay. I'm going to stick with it until I buy something light with a bug net like a half wit.

The sub 7 is a solid lightweight option for me and I'll use it for backpacking trips where I am not too worried about bugs.