Kevlar webbing now available at Dutchwaregear.com

[MOWOGO '72]

I'm about to buy some kevlar huggers and use them pretty much daily for the next 6 months. Not a permanent hang but backpacking. So only setup in the evenings and through the night. Maybe all day if I zero in my hammock.

I'll be the guinea pig, but to be honest, I'm not worried about them.

I'll show what condition they're in 6months from now.

Well there ya go......... our first long term field study.
6 months of hanging every day equals 90 weekends worth of use.
That should be good enough to quiet the naysayers.
Assuming of course he lives through it.

thanks ffe!

[MAD777]

Nothing gains the respect of fellow hangers as much as being a guinea pig... ummm... I mean, volunteer!

[jn35646]

People worrying about 2000lb webbing being too weak for hammock suspension are cracking me up. If it lost 50% of its strength were still taking 1000lb. Just use common sense and look at your gear from time to time. If it gets frayed or looks worn...replace it.

In for 10' the next time I order some bling. These with speedhook 2.0 for suspension... Yes please.

Looking forward to usage reports but won't hesitate to hang it.

[muckypops]

I just ordered a pair of the 6 foot tree straps myself. Can't wait to try them out.

[Rain Man]

People worrying about 2000lb webbing being too weak for hammock suspension are cracking me up.

I wonder if it cracks up professional riggers, who use a 10-to-1 rule of thumb for margin of safety purposes. They take into account (1) degradation for knots/hardware, which can be up to 80% (2) dynamic force greatly increasing effective weight, and (3) the physics of the hang angle, which can double or triple the effective weight if done wrong.

A 2,000 line/strap can quickly be barely enough for a 200 lb camper.

[JackJ]

I wonder if it cracks up professional riggers, who use a 10-to-1 rule of thumb for margin of safety purposes. They take into account (1) degradation for knots/hardware, which can be up to 80% (2) dynamic force greatly increasing effective weight, and (3) the physics of the hang angle, which can double or triple the effective weight if done wrong.

A 2,000 line/strap can quickly be barely enough for a 200 lb camper.

10 - 1, wow! But I imagine their gear gets subject to a lot more wear, and the consequences of failure are much more dire. Gotta say, I'm still amazed at how insubstantial 7.64" Amsteel looks, though I'm definitely trusting it. And I'm in for Kevlar tree straps the next time I order from Dutch.

[Rain Man]

10 - 1, wow! But I imagine their gear gets subject to a lot more wear, and the consequences of failure are much more dire.

Yes, I agree on the "dire" part. I'd add that they have so much more experience with seeing/knowing of failures, that they might not be so flippant about it as the "common sense" amateurs on HF, some of whom have said things like a 300 lb line is fine for a 200 lb hiker. That is a real "wow!" for me, an ex-vertical caver.

I use 7/64ths Amsteel whoopies, but I don't run them over sharp edges and of course I don't hang higher than I'm willing for my spine to fall on a rock or root. For hammock purposes, I think a 5-to-1 ratio for a reasonable margin of safety is good enough, but with a recognition that is in fact cutting some corners.

I've ordered some of the Kevlar and look forward to trying it out and comparing it to my normal polyester webbing.

[jn35646]

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[genixia]

That isn't an argument. You want Room 12A, just along the corridor.

[jn35646]

That isn't an argument. You want Room 12A, just along the corridor.

You're right, I read your thread after following up on this. I'm out in the name of civility.