Results 1 to 5 of 5
  1. #1
    Senior Member Gravity's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    US
    Hammock
    Trail Lair || Brazilian
    Tarp
    CF w/ doors
    Insulation
    UGQ
    Suspension
    UCR
    Posts
    621

    The Complete Story: Down vs Synthetics vs Hydrophobic Down

    The original article with a couple of nice images can be seen at:
    http://www.campsaver.com/fieldnotes/...tic-insulation/


    DOWN

    Down insulation is natural. It comes from the lofty plumage underneath goose and duck wings. The benefit here is that down has traveled through Darwin’s survival of the fittest and developed into a very efficient insulator. It works by trapping body heat and reflecting it back to the source (you!). Premium goose down is the most expensive because it comes from mature geese, while the cheaper, but still effective, is duck down.

    Down compresses very small and retains almost all of its loft, making it extremely packable. Don’t let its ridiculously light weight fool you; it’s weight to warmth ratio is as good as it gets. You’ll be sure to stay nice and toasty inside the bag despite the blizzard outside your tent. No man made insulation (synthetic) can match down’s superior and natural weight to warmth ratio.

    Most people won’t buy down because of its steeper price. However, if treated with care, down insulated gear will last substantially much longer than synthetic. The natural plumage can be preserved when washed carefully. So even though you are paying more, you’ll more than likely get much more usage out of it.

    ‘Fill Power’ is a measurement that determines down’s insulating effectiveness. The fill power number refers to how many cubic inches one ounce of down will occupy. If you have a bag with a 900 fill power, it probably doesn’t weigh more than 1 ½ lbs, because it takes less down to fill the entire area.

    SYNTHETIC

    Synthetic insulation is man's attempt to imitate down's natural abilities. It is not as efficient as down in its weight to warmth ratio, but it answers downs major pitfall: wet and humid conditions. Synthetic is able to keep you warm even when wet. This insulation is made from polyester threading that intertwines to work like down. When it gets wet, the moisture is trapped between the fibers, rather than in them, making it much easier to dry.

    One major reason people choose synthetic over down is for the lower price. Synthetic does a good job of having down’s same qualities and leaving you with more money buried in the backyard. However, the lower priced synthetic does come with sacrifices. Synthetic will never be able to match down’s weight to warmth ratio, meaning your equipment will be heavier the warmer you want to be. Down is able to pack extremely small, while synthetic remains bulkier, making it more difficult for minimalist backpackers. The last downfall of synthetic; it won’t last as long as down. The synthetic fibers slowly break down, despite the loving care you put into preserving them.

    WATER-RESISTANT DOWN (HYDROPHOBIC)

    So by now it probably seems easier to make your decision between down or synthetic. But now there is a third option. Experts in the outdoor industry have developed water-resistant down. What used to be down’s major pitfall is now considered to be almost on an equal level compared to synthetic. Down plumage is light and almost completely defenseless against the power of moisture. Now the technology has been developed to allow each piece of down plumage to be coated with a water-resistant (known as hydrophobic) coating before it is stuffed into the jacket or sleeping bag. This type of attention in the manufacturing process does make hydrophobic down insulation come at a higher price. But it is able to retain its light weight and ability to loft even after being treated.
    Last edited by Gravity; 06-03-2015 at 07:28.

  2. #2
    Senior Member Fish<><'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Yigo, Guam
    Hammock
    DL1.1XLC/ BIAS WWM/ DIY
    Tarp
    HG Cuben/ DIY
    Insulation
    N/A
    Suspension
    depends...
    Posts
    1,140
    I know this isn't much for hammocks, but I'd like to see a warmth test sometime in damp conditions between hydro down and wool. I wonder how well the down would keep someone warm being"hydrophobic" vs wool fibers that soak up the water but perform well when wet in say 45 degrees on the ground under a tarp with a groundsheet and a pad. The only issue I could see would be since the down lets the water run off of it, if it could be somewhat equivalent to just wearing a piece of mesh for a rain coat per say and the water would soak right through on to your body.

    While I would probably never choose this route, I could see where a bad situation could be made worse by not only having to sleep on the ground, but by having a potential of hypothermia with said down gear. I personally own a hydro uq and tq, but that question has come to mind for me and I wonder how well it would work.


    Great post for the newer cats BTW.
    "We do not go to the green woods and crystal waters to rough it, we go to smooth it."- G. W. Sears

    My forum name is Fish<><; I'm in the navy; and I hate sleeping on the ground. If I didn't need ground to walk on or measure resistance to, I think I could happily give it up.

  3. #3
    Senior Member Wise Old Owl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Paoli, PA
    Hammock
    HH A-sym snake skins, hex tarp
    Tarp
    General's Custom
    Insulation
    Hammock Gear 3/4
    Suspension
    tree hugger
    Posts
    483
    Images
    15
    Well written Gravity. Thanks for the thread.
    There was an Old Man with a owl,
    Who continued to bother and howl;
    He sat on a rail, And imbibed bitter ale,
    Which refreshed that Old Man and his owl
    .WOO

  4. #4
    Senior Member bkrgi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Terrace BC
    Hammock
    Robic XL 1.1oz 11'
    Tarp
    RSBTR PU4000 tarps
    Insulation
    UGQ 0* 20* 40* set
    Suspension
    Multi buckle web
    Posts
    1,042
    Quote Originally Posted by Fish<>< View Post
    I know this isn't much for hammocks, but I'd like to see a warmth test sometime in damp conditions between hydro down and wool. I wonder how well the down would keep someone warm being"hydrophobic" vs wool fibers that soak up the water but perform well when wet in say 45 degrees on the ground under a tarp with a groundsheet and a pad. The only issue I could see would be since the down lets the water run off of it, if it could be somewhat equivalent to just wearing a piece of mesh for a rain coat per say and the water would soak right through on to your body.

    While I would probably never choose this route, I could see where a bad situation could be made worse by not only having to sleep on the ground, but by having a potential of hypothermia with said down gear. I personally own a hydro uq and tq, but that question has come to mind for me and I wonder how well it would work.


    Great post for the newer cats BTW.

    How about a warmth test with untreated soaked down that was recently posted. That should answer all questions regarding Down in the real world of worst case.
    https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/...lts-last-night
    Life is too Short to not feed the addiction....Hang on and explore the World

  5. #5
    Senior Member The Tree Frog's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    South Jersey
    Hammock
    WBRR, DHTB
    Tarp
    WB Superfly, Mamba
    Insulation
    Down Quilts!
    Suspension
    Straps/buckles
    Posts
    1,961
    Images
    43
    Good info. Simple straight forward explanation. Thanks for sharing..
    NJ Hammock Club Facebook Page - Come join the party!

  • + New Posts
  • Similar Threads

    1. Down Vs Synthetics
      By sr1355 in forum UGQ Outdoor Equipment
      Replies: 32
      Last Post: 06-24-2019, 07:32
    2. Synthetics for AT?
      By Gravity in forum Under Quilts
      Replies: 22
      Last Post: 05-06-2013, 20:57
    3. Synthetics for AT?
      By Gravity in forum Top Insulation
      Replies: 6
      Last Post: 04-18-2013, 10:19
    4. ultra-treated down --1000FP and hydrophobic?
      By DemostiX in forum Do-It-Yourself (DIY)
      Replies: 10
      Last Post: 03-07-2013, 13:05
    5. Hydrophobic down treatments
      By Arothian in forum Top Insulation
      Replies: 33
      Last Post: 10-25-2012, 16:18

    Bookmarks

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •