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    Tiny toggles and UCR's

    Greetings all.....
    Was out in the heat testing my Parallelogram Hammock again along with the DIY UCR's. The hammock ends are whipped with a CL cow-hitched to it. I keep it in a bishop bag. I usually like having a ring cow-hitched to the CL after poking thru the bag and then I toggle that to either my whoopies or UCR's. Well, with this hammy I did away with the rings and decided to cow-hitch a 10-12awg heat shrink butt connector to the CL on the hammock ends. Putting them under load, they worked great. However, the UCR's started to slip a little. Milked them and double checked the prussiks. Layed in the hammock again and seemed fine but if I moved around a little I felt them give a little......I think I have three wraps on the prussiks.....may need four. The PH felt great but I didn't stay out too long.....
    toggle.jpg close up of butt connector cow-hitched to the CL's and toggled to UCR end loop
    toggle2.jpg view looking down the UCR towards hammock
    panahammy.jpg like laying on a cloud
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    Interesting choice of toggles.. Not sure I would trust that myself. The core is aluminum and meant to be malleable.

    Carbon fiber arrow shaft maybe? Alu shephards hook cut down?

    Either way, I appreciate your ingenuity.
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    From my experience with UCR's, the prusik works better closer to the constrictor. That could be the cause of your slippage. It's kind of a pain to get it right, but it helps.

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    Maybe, UCR can have a larger rope going inside of smaller rope--this will make it grip better.
    And/or you can make the inside rope not amsteel which is slick-rather instead a more grainy rope like spyderline.
    If you use both of these in tandem--the grip will be phenomenal. Good luck and indeed you're laying on a cloud.


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    Interesting idea. I've never seen the need, but might be worth a shot nonetheless. One possible problem I can see is larger D rope binding inside smaller D rope. After a few uses the coating gets worn off enough to no longer be slippery, which is why I usually run my UCR's up and down their length a few times when new, seems to do the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikekiM View Post
    Interesting choice of toggles.. Not sure I would trust that myself. The core is aluminum and meant to be malleable.

    Carbon fiber arrow shaft maybe? Alu shephards hook cut down?

    Either way, I appreciate your ingenuity.
    tnx and yes it's aluminum but I'm thinking that because it's a cylinder it won't crush too easy. I checked it after loading it and didn't see any signs of it failing....but then it was only a short test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goobie View Post
    From my experience with UCR's, the prusik works better closer to the constrictor. That could be the cause of your slippage. It's kind of a pain to get it right, but it helps.
    tnx for the feedback. If I understand you, the prussick is really close to the constrictor. In fact, I didn't allow myself any extra to do a fourth wrap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom Grappler View Post
    Maybe, UCR can have a larger rope going inside of smaller rope--this will make it grip better.
    And/or you can make the inside rope not amsteel which is slick-rather instead a more grainy rope like spyderline.
    If you use both of these in tandem--the grip will be phenomenal. Good luck and indeed you're laying on a cloud.


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    tnx for the input. My ridge line is an UCR made from amsteel and it appeared to have slipped. I didn't allow myself extra on the end for the prussik so maybe if I could, a fourth wrap would do the trick....still messing with them. I do have my tried and true whoopies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goobie View Post
    Interesting idea. I've never seen the need, but might be worth a shot nonetheless. One possible problem I can see is larger D rope binding inside smaller D rope. After a few uses the coating gets worn off enough to no longer be slippery, which is why I usually run my UCR's up and down their length a few times when new, seems to do the trick.
    Tnks goobie....but never see the need for UCR's or toggles???

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    Quote Originally Posted by goobie View Post
    Interesting idea. I've never seen the need, but might be worth a shot nonetheless. One possible problem I can see is larger D rope binding inside smaller D rope. After a few uses the coating gets worn off enough to no longer be slippery, which is why I usually run my UCR's up and down their length a few times when new, seems to do the trick.
    Everything is same diameter. I think the tail of the UCR that is used to make up the prussik needs too be longer...tnx for your feedback

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