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    Quote Originally Posted by NCPatrick View Post
    I'm visualizing those mean little old ladies making you buy cotton thread...
    I almost did it, they reminded me of nuns. Granted, I'm not catholic, but I've heard stories.
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    Better thread than Guterman?

    I found the following section on Kite Sewing 101

    Thread: One of the most critical components of sewing and most often overlooked.

    * Friends don't let friends sew with anything from Coats & Clark.
    * Using a Thread Stand (properly) is strongly recommended. Available at JoAnn Fabrics, The Fabric Place, Hancock Fabric, Wal-Mart and other notions stores.
    * Overlock and serger cone thread is cheap and breaks very easily. It is okay for satin stitching appliqué on flag cloth (not ripstop) but nothing else.
    * Mettlers Metrosene, Güterman, or Mölnlycke polyester threads are acceptable substitutes but are made from many short yarns and fuzz up the inside of the machine.
    * Color matching: Not always a good road to start down.
    o Mettlers Metrosene, Güterman, Mölnlycke, polyester threads often different colors have different diameters, different tension settings. Must re-tension every time colors change.
    o Make sure thread is 'color fast'. Some 'bleed' when wet.
    * An easy way to 'color match' thread to fabric is to color it later with Sharpies (permanent magic markers).

    * BEST threads are HB (or HSB) 33 nylon or V 30 polyester.
    o These are commercial grade threads. They have very consistent diameters and run very clean. They are very strong for their diameter.
    o Polyester thread is a little softer than nylon. Polyester has better UV resistance than Nylon. Nylon is a little stiffer than polyester.
    o The numbers are based on 'denier' Denier is a French term denoting the weight in grams of 9,000 meters of the thread. In other words, the bigger the number, the thicker (and stronger) the thread. The numbers we see on the thread are the Textile Numbers, or 'T' numbers, and are 1/10 of the denier. Kite makers use (textile) 30 or 33 in most applications, which is a 300 or 330 denier. 46 in some places. Hot Air Balloons and parachutes are sewn with threads in the 150 range. ( **Hint: They are sewing RIPSTOP NYLON using thread more than 4 times the size of ours… What size needle do you think THEY use? What does that do to the 'big needles damage the ripstop' argument?)
    o These threads are available from kite making supply houses like those listed at the end of this page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCPatrick View Post
    I'm going to see if the LFS has some polyester Gutermans for the short term, and then order some thread from Ed for the long term. (but then I have to make a thread stand to go with it). Thanks!
    I've got the CD case for the stand

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    Better thread than Guterman?
    I found the following section on Kite Sewing 101
    That's great! Thanks. Good info.

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    Redtail, thanks for the intel, I appreciate it. I returned my thread today and will go get something better in the next couple days.
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    I purchased a 6000 yard spool from thru-hiker - wouldn't get another

    The quality isn't what I would call good. It seems to be strong enough, but the diameter of the thread isn't consistent. There are lots of places on the thread where the thread is thicker. Those spots cause thread to strip off an build up on the needle. After a while the thread just breaks. This is really bad on something like Velcro where the backing is somewhat stiff.

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    Gutternun at Jo Ann Fabrics for me. I have went through 2-3k meters and don't have any complaints. Not the cheapest thread, but you get what you pay for.
    Is that too much to ask? Girls with frikkin' lasers on their heads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gumby View Post
    I've got the CD case for the stand
    Ed's thread stand is great. I made one. I just took and old coat hanger and an old cd case.

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    I've never had a problem with the stuff from Thru-Hiker...which means, of course, that I have an opinion contrary to TeeDee's again I don't like Gutermann's because it has a sort of coating on it, which (in my experience) tends to clog a machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbishop351 View Post
    I've never had a problem with the stuff from Thru-Hiker...which means, of course, that I have an opinion contrary to TeeDee's again I don't like Gutermann's because it has a sort of coating on it, which (in my experience) tends to clog a machine.
    My experiance is exacty the opposite....I've sewn several miles of gutermann thread on simple home style machines and never had a build up or clog..... One of our JRB sub contractors has sewn several times that amount with a Juki and never had a clog.....

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