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Panel pulls for sure, maybe 2 stock colors
Missy Lou is gonna be busy for sure
With 4 Panel Pulls
Without Panel Pulls
Pull outs are a must have, maybe a 12 ft with pull out option?Originally Posted by sr1355
This is a very smart idea and as someone else has allready stated - it's a win-win for all !!!
Missy is gonna be sleeping good at night for awhile, more like passing out at the end of the day because i think as soon as they are in stock they will sell out, it's gonna take awhile to get caught up imo.!
Also the perfect time of year to get this started, good luck Missy and Paul.
Based on our sales metrics it will be a WD12, sell more of them than all other tarps combined.
Here is the issue I have with pullouts in a true winter setting.
Sure south of the mason dixon line where it just basicly gets cold pullouts work.
But anywhere you get a chance for a real snow if you use your pullouts the snow will collect and can cause something to fail while you are sleeping.
Over the years I have done a ton of winter backyard testing.
What I have found is a 90 degree pitch or less with no pullouts is the only way snow will slide off on its own.
If snow load is an issue and you want to stop the tarp from bowing in on you you can ad a lash-it internal X support to your CRL.
Paul if you truely want to make your winter dream tarp a true winter tarp for all areas, even the snowy ones, please consider some of these ideas.
Last edited by OutandBack; 08-12-2016 at 15:43.
O&B-
If your tarp has the pullouts but you don't use them and deploy the tarp pitched steeply as you suggest, is there still a problem with snow accumulation?
I'm not sure exactly what ideas you are referencing, I do dig the X-Frame out of lash-it but that can be user added if desired. The only other suggestions presented were 90deg pitch and not to use panel pulls, both setup issues. Not sure it it would make sense to make a bullet proof out of the box heavy winter tarp for the vast majority of folks that do not need it. Adding pole mods or setting up for proper snow shed solves the problem for those playing in the deep stuff.
With enough snow fall you will always have to dig out the walls of the tarp/tent as the snow sheds off and builds up, regardless of internal framing. Snow gets heavy and in the end it will win, that's what makes winter camping so much fun in deep snowy conditions. A few years ago snowshoe camping in the UP we got 24"+ in 24hrs, most of it came down in 12hrs. WD had center pole mod, others in party had no pole mods using standard tarps. Only tarp that took the heavy snow was the WD with pole mod, the rest had to stay on top of keeping the snow off the tarp or suffer sleeping in the hammock with the tarp pressed against them.
BTW, we get snow in Michigan....and lots of it in the right places....
I have two tarps with pull outs, and find that I never use them, not even to secure the doors to. Now this sounds crazy, but if buying new today the pulls would definitely be on there, I suppose it tis the ability to use them if I wish. No, the extra weight is of no concern to me.
If you prepare for failure you will probably succeed.
Oh sorry I did not do a very good job of explaining myself, sorry.
Started off trying to show how pullouts have not worked for me in winter and then started thinking about how to beefup a tarp for true winter conditions.
I blame it on your name "Winter Dream"that should be something more than just a general purpose off the shelf tarp with pullouts.
Luckily winter in a lot of the area around where I live just means a lot of rain, so pull outs for me!
Looks like Panel Pulls pulled through...
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