Guy lines on the tarp or stake?

[StandingBear]

You're welcome, watertooner! I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with a question like this. It seems that everyone around here is so sure of things, like they were born with this knowledge I agree, pros and cons to both methods!




Thank you for this, Paul! Perhaps I will not have any problems getting those lines tangled now with my snake skins, and if I fold that up properly. This is kind of an off-topic question, but I noticed the ridge line of the tarp is yellow. Is this because you changed it out (I'm guessing, just from the few short weeks I've been researching) to a continuous ridgeline instead of what came on the superfly? Also, how long are your guylines, out of curiosity? I've done what WB recommends on the tarp and I've also watched Shug's video about length of guylines.



I think I understand. So when you take down your tarp, you leave the tarp worms hooked onto the shock cord that's hooked onto the tarp tie outs... then you unhook the line from the tarp worms and wrap that around your stakes, storing your stakes and line together, right? I just want to make sure I'm picturing this correctly and when you said "my stakes, lines, tarp worms are all hooked together" you didn't mean that you were storing them together.



This seems to be a popular setup. Is your small continuous loop made with shock cord or something else?




Thanks. This seems to be a popular setup. Out of curiosity, can you explain or point me to a video that shoes that best way to tie the shock cord to the tarp?



Thanks singingcrowsings. I bought this Handy Book of Knots from Barnes and Noble a few weeks ago, it was around $3 on sale. Maybe something you'd get for a kid, but I'm not embarrassed about it... I am a hands-on learner and thought it might be simple enough to work for me I've got to start somewhere.

Thanks for the explanation with Carrico. I still don't really get it, but I'm googling some videos to try to learn. You are definitely not over-explaining. It's a lot of terms for me to learn, and then I have to put the terms with actual real-life objects or actions... it can be overwhelming. Well, it IS overwhelming

I have my tarp worms on my line. One end of the line is tied to the stake and the other has a simple overhand knot. The tarp worm cannot slide off. I just put the stack in the ground, hook the tarp worm onto the shockcord cord, pull tight, and loop around the tarp worm.

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[gbolt]

Guess it depends on your tie out equipment. I'd always left the lines on the tarp as I had lines with prussik loops to loop on the stakes. However, my SLD diamond came with line locs - nothing to tie to so it makes more sense to have the line on the stake. If I had fleaz, I'd likely do the same.

Found the same progression from Prussik and tie to stake for a WB Edge Tarp. When I went HG CF Palace Tarp this Winter, I switched to the Shock cord loop on the Tarp and Reflectic w/Dutch Hookworms that stay on the stake. It does make it harder to loose stakes, I clean them with leaves before wrapping the cord and worms around two stakes at a time to put into the ZPacks Stake Sac.

The biggest advantage of the Hookworms is being able to flip the tarp back onto itself and use one hookworm to hook two shock cord loops from two D-Rings to opposite sides of the tarp. The front side hookworm and guylines stay attached to the stake on the ground; ready for reattachment of the tarp. This saved me on the last trip because the wind was so strong from the south west that I blocked it with the tarp at a nice angle, while sitting and cooking to the front of the tarp without any coverage.

Some have mentioned tying off to rocks. I have pulled a line under a heavy rock and then pulled the stake back against the rock. I also have dropped the rock on the guyline between the stake and the Tarp.

It is a choice based on your personal style and equiptment. Hookworms and Dutch's Video formed by current method. The nice thing about Hammocking is that you can fiddle and come up with multiple methods to accomplish the same purpose. Never boring!

[Carrico]

So when you say the fleas are spliced onto your tie outs, do you mean your guylines? And you connect your guyline to your stake, where it stays stored?[/QUOTE]


Instead of having them threaded onto a continuous loop of shock cord that's tied to the tie out on my tarp, I threaded them on to my guideline that's attached to my steak. then I can just hook them on to the continuous loop of shock cord that's attached to my tarp tie out ,this allows me to quickly detach them without losing my set point if I want to flip the tarp over to see the stars or what not.

[gbolt]

So when you say the fleas are spliced onto your tie outs, do you mean your guylines? And you connect your guyline to your stake, where it stays stored?

[/QUOTE]Instead of having them threaded onto a continuous loop of shock cord that's tied to the tie out on my tarp, I threaded them on to my guideline that's attached to my steak. then I can just hook them on to the continuous loop of shock cord that's attached to my tarp tie out ,this allows me to quickly detach them without losing my set point if I want to flip the tarp over to see the stars or what not.[/QUOTE]

With this set up, the fleas are being used just like a hookworm. In these pics the fleas are attached to the guylines and to the stakes (Nail spikes).

When fleas are "spliced to the tie outs", this means that the shock cord loop, Zing-it or the D-Ring/Slit/Key Ring is attached to the flea through the Fleaz hole. The fleas stay attached to the tarp not the guyline. The guyline in both cases is attached to the stake and is usually stored by wrapping it around the stake.

Again, no correct way to do it and personal choice whether hardware is attached to Tarp or to Guyline/Stake. However, the major plus of attaching it to Guyline/Stakes is the ability to flip the tarp over and watch the stars as Carrico states.

[Eidson]

... I switched to the Shock cord loop on the Tarp and Reflectic w/Dutch Hookworms that stay on the stake. It does make it harder to loose stakes, I clean them with leaves before wrapping the cord and worms around two stakes at a time...

This same setup has also become my preferred method.

The biggest advantage of the Hookworms is being able to flip the tarp back onto itself and use one hookworm to hook two shock cord loops from two D-Rings to opposite sides of the tarp. The front side hookworm and guylines stay attached to the stake on the ground; ready for reattachment of the tarp. This saved me on the last trip because the wind was so strong from the south west that I blocked it with the tarp at a nice angle, while sitting and cooking to the front of the tarp without any coverage.

I had never thought of this. Very clever.

[Carrico]

If you don't want to buy some bling and you got some 10 gauge copper Laying around this works good too just like a hookworm. I made these a good year before I found this website or even knew who Dutch was, not trying to rip off patents ;<)

[gravity falls]

Guylines larksheaded to the tarp and an easily adjustable truckers hitch looped around the stakes. If done correctly, you can retention the tarp without getting wet in the rain. Simple and light, too.

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[Country Roads]

I use Dutch's tarp worms with the Dutchwire for the lines and leave them attached to the tarp. I like that it is so much faster to set up and take down my tarp since I don't have to roll up and stow the lines. It is pretty stiff and does not tangle or knot up.

[JmBoh]

stake. This allows me to use one set of stakes for multiple tarps.

[gbolt]

This same setup has also become my preferred method.



I had never thought of this. Very clever.

I think I posted this earlier in the thread, and almost messaged you directly... But figured some others may not want to dig either. Here is a link to a Video that shows my set up and at one spot, near the middle, I show flipping the tarp back. You can also see it on Dutch's Website for Hookworms. Here it is: https://youtu.be/IS9Dy4ufoDE