Rose Feather quality

[tiggere]

Less than 400FP?!? For 850FP advertised? Did you buy this from Rose Feather or a third party? I would be interested in knowing the details of your test where you came to that conclusion. It just seems hard to fathom that they would advertise the product as 850fp, and then send you something that's lower than anything I've even seen them advertise as selling.

Just curious, but you mention most of the two pounds you ordered is in your underquilt. What are the dimensions of the quilt? I can't help but wonder if you over stuffed it by too much. Pretty sure there's a point of diminishing returns with over stuffing, and putting too much down in a small space would almost prevent it from lofting.

All I can say is, the only thing I've done so far with my RF down is add a few ounces to my Costco throw, and now i can't get it away from my wife. She loves how fluffy and warm it is to lay under on the couch. I really need to just get motivated and make a proper under quilt so I can say for sure how well it works but from what I've done so far, I'd never think it was more than maybe 50 to 100FP off from what was advertised.

From post #16 in this thread...

I just got the down I ordered from Rose Feather through Amazon. I ordered two 450g packages:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WLR4W4V...ing=UTF8&psc=1
I received two stuffed "pillows" with the label, "Rose Feather bulk white goose duck down and feather - filling stuff bedding pillow DIY USA Standard New Item" Nothing about fill power. Without opening the packages, I have no idea what I actually received. The label doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Everything else you asked and more is in his DIY post here...https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/...own-Underquilt

Also of note...per the IDFL +/- 5% is acceptable...in 850 Fill Power per your example 100FP off would be almost 12% loss...even 50FP off is borderline...so yes I would say he needs to call/email Rose feather even though he is past the 30days...I also found a few articles that said the treated down does not fluff as well and tends to clump more than untreated...

[Bignfuzzy]

this thread got me concerned about the down I need for my underquilt build...

Ordered a pound of mixed down (50% 850 goose, 50% 800 duck) from Wilderness Logistics http://wildernesslogics.com for $75 plus shipping. They have a solid reputation and the last thing I want to be concerned about on a long winter night is getting a cold butt because I wanted to save $15-20.

I'm happy with my underquilt built with WL down. I'm convinced getting the differential cut right is more important that the down. It pulls tight across my lower back which then gets cool....below about 15.

Based on my absolutely scientific sample size of one quilt with WL, you'll be fine. I used CatSplats worksheet (2" baffles, 800 fp 20% overstuff, 2.5" loft) to figure the baffle sizes and down amounts. Down chambers approx 4.5" wide.

Figure my comfort limit is mid teens. Took it to 8 degrees and was cold, but was still able to sleep.

[slugbait]

There's a thread on BackpackingLight in the "Make Your Own Gear" section currently with an interesting discussion on this topic.

[KBr00ks]

Huh. Well I guess my next project will not be to start sewing on a UQ/TQ, but to build a down fill power measuring device...

Already thinking that if the Rose Feather stuff I got proves to be much lower than what it's supposed to be (950), I'll use it to make a new comforter for my bed, and order some 'real' stuff from one of the reputable vendors in North America. My whole point in DIY in this case is to make quilts as light and compressible as possible, along with other custom details. 400-600fp ain't gonna cut it.

[Scouter_Ken]

the down mix (50% 850 goose/ 50% 800 duck) from Wilderness Logics arrived this afternoon.

have stuffed 5 of the 9 baffles on my underquilt. this stuff lofts great.

[Kayak_Medic]

Finished UQ a couple days ago - stuffed with down - I stuffed with 30% overstuff assuming 800fp - I used 1.34 oz per baffle - total 12 baffles.

I think the end result appears now after fluffing and drying on low etc - is adequately stuffed but appears not like 30% overstuff.

I plan to take an ounce of the stuff and let it settle in a plastic bin overnight - measure how high it lofts in the box and repeat that with 1oz of wilderness logics and 1 oz of Dutch

That is not measured fp but would give a relative sense

It’s hard to say - but my sampling appears to be perhaps lower FP - I’d say 650-700fp but frankly this is at best educated guess

The comparison to others will be better


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Have you had a chance to test or compare your RF to other brands yet? Is your RF still tightly compressed in the pillow it was shipped in?

[PharmGeek]

Have you had a chance to test or compare your RF to other brands yet? Is your RF still tightly compressed in the pillow it was shipped in?

I used 1 lb of it already and emptied out some of that bag - it’s suuuper compressed in single 4 lb bag

I have not yet done the wife by side testing

It’s been nuts around my house - flu season - strep - kids - things now are calm and I promise I have not forgotten - I’ll try and get it started tonight!!!


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[Car Camper]

I just got done using "Rose feather 900+ down" in my underquilt. It was about $59 a pound and so far I used almost 2 1/2#. It is not 900+ down but for the price I knew it wasn't going to be. I won't take a guess what it is for sure but to be safe I put 650 in the calculator I used. I figure better under than over. I like it for the price but there was probably 10ish brown feathers mixed with the white feathers (not a huge deal to me but an FYI). What really ticks me off is I found a 3- 4 inch piece of clear box tape covered with feathers inside on of the pound packages and a piece of grass or maybe hay in another package that was 4 inches long. Again it's cheap down.....but still! I measured each bag (purchased 4 total) and they all were a bit over 1 pound by about a 10th of an ounce which minus the cloth pouch is about a pound of down. There were a few small feathers but nothing to freak about for the price. I did carefully smell the feathers since a different review of another cheap company said it smelled the Rose Feathers brand was scent free like it should be. I know this is one extra comment on a long reply list but that's my 2 cents on the subject.
If you are not expecting *900+* fill that's not perfectly 100% white down this is good for the price. Took only 3 days on Amazon to ship to where I live.

[Cruiser51]

Just a point on this Car Camper ... I don't think many folks would disagree that RF down is likely not going to measure up when tested. If you are thinking it is in the range of 650 FP and are willing to accept that FP for your project, why wouldn't you just buy 650+ from a North American dealer ... their prices seem to be lower for that FP.

Brian

[PharmGeek]

holy thread revival I know...yall im way overdue on reporting back....ive filled two UQ's with this RF down I got in the 4lb bag...and in both cases I overstuffed by my calculations more than any quilts I had done to date, and the end result on visual inspection is "adequate" as far as fill...I actually think both jobs could have used another couple ounces ideally>

I wish I had my hands on one of those down FP devices out there lol....

The down did fill the job...and it seems "ok"...for the price, my buddy got his kids some UQ's for a bargain price, but the FP I suspect or fear is not really close to as advertised....

I STILL have 1 oz in a nice little presealed package from wilderness logics (marty passed away sadly and I think they went outa business), I have about 15 oz of 850 down from dutch, and then 2 more lbs about from RF...I plan on this week doing some kind of fiddling, perhaps 1 oz each.

It seems if I can find a plastic cylindrical container, that would be best for visual inspection...the ultralight fabrics produce almost no real resistance, so I kinda suspect if there is "much" a difference in fill power from say RF and the others, lets say its actually 650fp not 850fp...basic visual inspection will verify "some relatively large discrepancy".....without a true measurement, im not sure how much can be said?

Ive thought about making 3 fixed "tubes" that when sewn up, should yield some given fixed volume....and stuff that tube and fluff them all and see if there are differences....?

Overall, im "pretty happy" or "met my expectations" for this down...but it came under a bit for me...I thought having overstuffed based on my calculations it would be pretty darn puffy, vs. "just full and still a bit loose".

Id buy it again for budget projects though, its a steal of a price and overall "does the job" if your FP expectations are low...btw, now 1 year or more later, the down is not leaking out all over the place so theres that positive too.