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    Quote Originally Posted by warbonnetguy View Post
    i've heard the old timers talk about these curious little things they used to use back in the day, they were even weightless and you could never lose them. i think they called them "knots" or something like that
    Revisit.. and only cause I didnt have my wits about me prior...

    Old timers also used to have to crank their engines by hand.... Heck.. now all you have to do is get close enough to your car and it starts on its own!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by opie View Post
    Am I going to have to go to the dark side?

    Knots???

    hahaha... The reason Im against knots is for no other reason than if I start using them, there is no real distinction between what I make and sell, and everyone else.
    Dark Side Sorry that made me shoot soda out my nose, my whole shift at the Fire Department are known as the Dark Side. But I agree with you and see your point as the knot would not be unique to you/your product offering!

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    Quote Originally Posted by opie View Post
    Yes.. You didnt mention a toggle in your post.
    no, i didn't. i didn't think about it till you mentioned it. that's how i used to attach my guylines to my tarp corners without having to run the whole thing through the loop. the inner piece of a double hole cordlock makes a fine toggle. i've got a ton of them if you're in the market

    see pic below:

    http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/a...7&d=1200780909

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    I think there is another method that would eliminate one of the Prusiks. At the adjustable end, there would be a loop with a toggle on a Prusik. You bring that around the tree, then put loop and toggle over the line going back to the first tree, and put the toggle through the Prusik loop again. Now, pull the free end to tighten.

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    After reading my last post, it does not even seem clear to myself anymore. Here is what I meant. There is a Prusik loop with a toggle on it. It may be best if the toggle has two holes, so the line goes through it and back. You wrap the loop over the standing end, and then put the toggle through the Prusik loop again. The free end can now be pulled to tighten. I'm not sure if this makes sense, maybe a drawing is needed.

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    I will proceed with the assumption that the webbing used to hang the hammock can be used to attach the tarp ridge line.

    Second Assumption: Tarp width = hammock width (just for easy numbers)
    if hammock has a minimum hang distance of ~10' we will assume tarp has a minimum hang distance of 10'.

    Needed material: 4 continuous loops and 2 toggles.

    Tree A: small'ish fixed eye. (big enough for webbing to pass through).
    Long Whoopie sling looped through the the webbing on tree B.

    The bury that the WS passes through is 9' away from fixed-eye (and tree A).
    Make the Ridgeline taut.

    Make 2 prussics with 2 of the loops. (one at each end of tarp near the trees)
    Larkshead the other 2 loops to the tarp attachment points.
    Larkshead the Toggles to the loops attached to the tarp.
    Attach the prussic loops to the toggles similar to a Marlin Spike Hitch.
    Pull prussics toward trees to tighten the the tarp.


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    OR instead of WS, just use 2 taut-line hitches!
    Last edited by Rug; 02-24-2010 at 22:08. Reason: Easier idea!
    I ride a recumbent.
    I like to HAM it up on the CW.
    I use Linux.
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    Of course I sleep in a hammock!

    Rug.

    Hang On!

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    Single 6" diameter or so eye (big enough that you can get your hand through to length enough to span longest distance betweeen trees to UCR Bury, to big loop (mine's about 6 feet around in the prototype i made, wife has the camera, so i can't show pictures yet) with a 3 or 5 inch toggle captive in the loop (drill a hole through the toggle and run the line through as you're making the loop) The toggle serves both as the means by which to secure that end, and as a neat and tidyl to wrap the line.

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    Single 6" diameter or so eye (big enough that you can get your hand through to length enough to span longest distance betweeen trees to UCR Bury, to big loop (mine's about 6 feet around in the prototype i made, wife has the camera, so i can't show pictures yet) with a 3 or 5 inch toggle captive in the loop (drill a hole through the toggle and run the line through as you're making the loop) The toggle serves both as the means by which to secure that end, and as a neat and tidyl to wrap the line.
    Re-reading previous, if the girth hitch with the 6" eye is cheating, make it like the other end. but that's another toggle, and additional line, and more weight, so for you gram weenies out there, I'd stick with the 6" eye.

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    Ok lets see if i can explain this.

    First tree as per opies current method line with a loop and a toggle on the main line. Loop around the tree and attach.

    Two prussic loops and toggles for tarp attachments to ridge line.

    Second tree instead of running the main ridge line around the tree form a second smaller line attached to the main line with a prussic. The prussic does not have to form a loop as the the two tails from the prussic can be different lengths and a short length can be formed into a bury into the longer length.

    The longer length then has a loop and a toggle as per the other end. Pass around the tree and slide the prussic up the main ridge line.

    QED
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rug View Post
    I will proceed with the assumption that the webbing used to hang the hammock can be used to attach the tarp ridge line.

    Second Assumption: Tarp width = hammock width (just for easy numbers)
    if hammock has a minimum hang distance of ~10' we will assume tarp has a minimum hang distance of 10'.

    Needed material: 4 continuous loops and 2 toggles.

    Tree A: small'ish fixed eye. (big enough for webbing to pass through).
    Long Whoopie sling looped through the the webbing on tree B.

    The bury that the WS passes through is 9' away from fixed-eye (and tree A).
    Make the Ridgeline taut.

    Make 2 prussics with 2 of the loops. (one at each end of tarp near the trees)
    Larkshead the other 2 loops to the tarp attachment points.
    Larkshead the Toggles to the loops attached to the tarp.
    Attach the prussic loops to the toggles similar to a Marlin Spike Hitch.
    Pull prussics toward trees to tighten the the tarp.


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    OR instead of WS, just use 2 taut-line hitches!
    If Im not mistaken... attaching your tarp to the webbing leaves mixed results. Your tarp would move when you move, altering its pitch even possibly loosening.... Unless you attach it to the webbing as close to the tree as is possible.

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