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    Knot gurus... what knot is this?

    I think a Kalmyk loop is same as slipped Eskimo bowline. Phantom wrong they are different!
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    Knot gurus... what knot is this?

    Knot pros at IGKT, said there are 4 versions of Eskimo bowline.
    After chow, I’m gonna tie at least one version of slipped Eskimo bowline and compare it side by side with Kalmyk loop.
    Those guys in IGKT are light years ahead of me.
    I hope I don’t have to hold mirror up to picture—after what happened last time...
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    If my video isn't showing a Kalmyk loop, let me know--I'll take it down. I'm not interested in spreading misinformation. But I would like to know where I'm going wrong if that's the case.
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    Knot gurus... what knot is this?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaNu1142 View Post
    I made this video awhile back. I'm not in a position to review your sequence, but is this the same thing?

    https://youtu.be/tOWkiGUzeMA
    DeltaNu, we share a wonderment of knots.
    All of these knots are essentially the same knot, with some differences. I’ve been posting in this thread and others that Kalmyk loop and slipped Eskimo bowline are same knot—-they ain’t. I was wrong.
    Up close, a sheet bend looks like a bowline. After stepping back, sheet bend is tied with two ropes and bowline is tied with one rope. Sheet bend joins two ropes and bowline makes a fixed loop.

    I tied Kalmyk loop from memory. And tied slipped Eskimo bowline by looking at The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Knots & Ropework by Geoffrey Budworth.
    Up close they look the same—the same knot as sheet bend and bowline (except slipped)
    When I tied Eskimo bowline I finished it slipped.
    Then I stepped back and looked at these two knots. Each knot has 4 ropes coming out from knot. Each rope is distinct. Different ropes exit these knots to become the rope that is tied to something else (like a horse or reindeer)
    It’s all in fun, thanks DeltaNu, our thread got me to look it up and tie more knots!
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    Well the knot I sequenced in the first post comes out identical to DeltaNu's, so whatever it is that's what I've got.

    Although after playing with it some more I'm going back to my view that it isn't a slippery sheet bend... more of a cross between that and a MSH... sorta. And looking at this diagram the mystery knot isn't (or to me doesn't appear to be) a kalmyk either. (Animated Knots doesn't have the kalmyk listed.)

    Key points are 1) there's no loop in the standing end, and 2) the working end never passes thru itself. This is unusual, no?
    Last edited by cmoulder; 09-14-2018 at 12:38.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoulder View Post
    Well the knot I sequenced in the first post comes out identical to DeltaNu's, so whatever it is that's what I've got.

    Although after playing with it some more I'm going back to my view that it isn't a slippery sheet bend... more of a cross between that and a MSH... sorta. And looking at this diagram it isn't (or to me doesn't appear to be) a kalmyk either. (Animated Knots doesn't have the kalmyk listed.)

    Key points are 1) there's no loop in the standing end, and 2) the working end never passes thru itself. This is unusual, no?
    I clicked “this diagram” looks like Kalmyk loop to me. I watched lots of Kalmyk loop videos. They tied it so fast, I watched video lots of times trying to learn to tie good and fast. I need to learn slow motion feature on phone.
    Cmoulder, I doesn’t know

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    Sorry, my sentence structure was poor there... the 'it' in "it isn't" refers back to the mystery knot.

    Fixed it... I think! ... thanks.
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    You might have read it wrong!

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