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    Quote Originally Posted by Baka Dasai View Post
    There's one I didn't know! My OCD tendencies lead me to avoid twists in the straps, so now I have an excuse to get twisted.
    Me too and me too!

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    Great write up Paul. I made it a stickie.
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    Appreciate the comments everybody.
    And glad to help you OCD folks

    Quote Originally Posted by dkurfiss View Post
    Great write up Paul. I made it a stickie.
    Good deal

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    Great tips @tallpaul. I have to switch my guylines around because everybody in my family can tighten their tarps under the tarps. I canít because I set mine up first with just zing it to a stake. Any way to change a guy line from a triangle ring to the stake?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverpalm2x View Post
    Great tips @tallpaul. I have to switch my guylines around because everybody in my family can tighten their tarps under the tarps. I can’t because I set mine up first with just zing it to a stake. Any way to change a guy line from a triangle ring to the stake?


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    I typically have a bowline knot on my guylines and/or hardware. Then I larkshead them onto wherever I want them. With that said, I don't have any hardware on my current guyline setup - I attach the guyline to the stakes with a marlin spike hitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TallPaul View Post
    I typically have a bowline knot on my guylines and/or hardware. Then I larkshead them onto wherever I want them. With that said, I don't have any hardware on my current guyline setup - I attach the guyline to the stakes with a marlin spike hitch.
    Do you use just a stick for your marlin spike or do you have a toggle? And, if you have a toggle, have you tried the j-bend as an alternative?

    Edit: Just wanted to add, thanks for the awesome collection of tips!
    Last edited by alphabennett; 09-17-2018 at 08:45.

  7. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphabennett View Post
    Do you use just a stick for your marlin spike or do you have a toggle? And, if you have a toggle, have you tried the j-bend as an alternative?

    Edit: Just wanted to add, thanks for the awesome collection of tips!
    The stake _is_ the toggle in this setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphabennett View Post
    Do you use just a stick for your marlin spike or do you have a toggle? And, if you have a toggle, have you tried the j-bend as an alternative?

    Edit: Just wanted to add, thanks for the awesome collection of tips!
    Agreed the stake is the toggle in this scenario. The MSH is so simple I stick with it.

    Hereís my stake out method. Note Iím a backpacker and moved to this due to the simplicity and the quick(er) setup.

    I carry 6 stakes for my tarp with doors and WB XLC. 4 MSR groundhogs and 2 lighter weight shepherd hooks for the doors. All guylines are attached to the stake via an MSH.

    I tested forgoing stakes a couple trips to see if I could use sticks (I took the stakes but acted as if I didnít have them). I spent more time than I wanted to looking for sticks and found the MSRs often held better. I do use a stick for the hammock pullout, or if I use the tarp guylines attaches to the side pullouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TallPaul View Post
    Agreed the stake is the toggle in this scenario. The MSH is so simple I stick with it.

    Here’s my stake out method. Note I’m a backpacker and moved to this due to the simplicity and the quick(er) setup.

    I carry 6 stakes for my tarp with doors and WB XLC. 4 MSR groundhogs and 2 lighter weight shepherd hooks for the doors. All guylines are attached to the stake via an MSH.

    I tested forgoing stakes a couple trips to see if I could use sticks (I took the stakes but acted as if I didn’t have them). I spent more time than I wanted to looking for sticks and found the MSRs often held better. I do use a stick for the hammock pullout, or if I use the tarp guylines attaches to the side pullouts.
    I didn't realize before you were using the MSH on your guylines, I have not seen that before. I'm with you on the sticks for stakes - just not worth the time for the lesser reliability. Now, if there's a heavy log or rock I could tie off but still move to a perfect position (or a root that's already there), well I might not bother with a stake.

    If you already use a stick you're not gonna save any weight by learning the j-bend, so no need to learn anything extra there. One knot that I recently discovered and love is the farrimond friction hitch - it's essentially a prusik you can tie on an end. It's very quick to tie (and untie, even after load!), and my new replacement for the adjustable grip hitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverpalm2x View Post
    Great tips @tallpaul. I have to switch my guylines around because everybody in my family can tighten their tarps under the tarps. I canít because I set mine up first with just zing it to a stake. Any way to change a guy line from a triangle ring to the stake?


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    Probably the two easiest ways to have the adjustment at the tarp, each uses a loop of cord (static or shock) added to each tarp attachment(where the triangle/d-ring is): Hookworms or hook Linelocs. Larkshead the guyline to the stake.

    The Linelocs would entail using something bigger than ZingIt/LashIt. That, of course, is only an issue if there is a need/desire to shave grams.

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