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    yep its laminated. found it here: http://www.dropzonetactical.com/slee...s/sb-info.html
    its a paragraph or so after the pic.






    Quote Originally Posted by TeeDee View Post
    I've never heard that before.

    Just spent a few minutes on his web site here and could find no mention of laminating the lamilite to the shell. Also, it would seem that laminating to the shell would inhibit the escape of moisture. If it would/does, then I doubt he would do it.

    Can you confirm that?

  2. #22
    mountain hardware has a new line called the ultralamina series where the syn insul is "welded" to the shell by its exclusive "lamina construction"

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbonnetguy View Post
    yep its laminated. found it here: http://www.dropzonetactical.com/slee...s/sb-info.html
    its a paragraph or so after the pic.
    Also, for what it's worth... can't vouch for the accuracy or lack thereof:

    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...2537#post32537

    3. Clumping and cold spots. This happens when loose fill material flattens out and moves around in the bag. The likelihood of this happening increases every time you wash the bag in a washing machine. Most bag manufacturers try to mitigate this by sewing baffles into their bags (you see all sorts of baffle styles), Wiggy's does it by "laminating" their fill batts directly to the liner of the bag. Essentially they're "melting" the fill to the inner shell. Because the fill is continuous fiber batt instead of the chopped fibers used by some companies, it does tend to stay in place even after repeated washings. It's been my experience that clumping is mostly an old problem. I haven't had much trouble with it in my North Face bag or in my Caribou Mountaineering bag.

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    CONCLUSIONS

    For what it's worth, based on having done the things I listed above, my personal opinion (for what it's worth) is that I prefer other brands to Wiggy's. I could enumerate all the reasons, but that cuts to the chase. Some people have different views, which is fine. But I know what works for me. I might try a Wiggy's bag at some point in the future, but I'm reluctant to do so because the true test of a bag is not one trip when it is brand new; it involves years of use in a variety of conditions. I'm not ready to do that because I don't want to potentially sacrifice comfort to test gear at this point in my life. What I use works; why change it now?

    Just my take.

    Good luck on your decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter_pan View Post
    Under quilts are best suspended gently against the bottom of the laden hammock.... You really do not want them perminently attached because nights over 80, 70 for some are arguably too warm for the UQ. That brings up another point, UQs with the ability to "open or close the window" on each end provide the maximum of comfort over the widest temp range....


    While I'm biased these are simple facts.

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    i am baised to,simple fact underquilt are not need with the right hammock
    neo

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo View Post
    i am baised to,simple fact underquilt are not need with the right hammock
    neo
    neo - could you expand on that a little?

    For example, what would you consider the right hammock under what conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeDee View Post
    neo - could you expand on that a little?

    For example, what would you consider the right hammock under what conditions?
    neo uses a tom claytor w/ a double bottom for a pad i believe.
    but he also has antifreeze in his veins.
    i'd probably freeze to death w/ his set up
    don`t leave the CREATOR out of the creation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeDee View Post
    neo - could you expand on that a little?

    For example, what would you consider the right hammock under what conditions?
    i have been down to 8.6 degrees with a 4.00 dollar closed cell military pad.
    i used a m1949 mountain down millitary sleeping i paid 15.00 dollars.the claytor jungle has obsoleted all my hammocks neo

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    the claytor jungle has obsoleted all my hammocks neo
    Except when you hike? If I remember correctly, you said you don't backpack with it because it's too heavy...
    Bad spellers of the world Untie!

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    how thick is that ccf pad?


    Quote Originally Posted by neo View Post
    i have been down to 8.6 degrees with a 4.00 dollar closed cell military pad.
    i used a m1949 mountain down millitary sleeping i paid 15.00 dollars.the claytor jungle has obsoleted all my hammocks neo

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbonnetguy View Post
    how thick is that ccf pad?
    3/8 thick neo

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