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    Quote Originally Posted by angrysparrow View Post
    TiGoat makes carbon stakes like that. A slightly cheaper DIY version would be interesting.

    They don't work well as toggles, though. The lateral strength isn't sufficient, from experience.
    Just checked those out. So far mine weigh less. We will see how much they weigh when I finish the project though.
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    discarded arrow shafts

    Hi, Guys-

    Unless hubby tossed them in a rare cleaning fit, we should have a stash of arrow discards. I can bring some to the April MAHHA, if people want some for projects. If no takers, they will not make it to my car. It is too small to bring unnecessaries.

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    FWIW, the arrows I am using are made by Easton and have a narrower O.D. than the rest of the arrows. The only name on the arrow is "Scout", they have three fletchings, and the head is a permanently mounted target point. I cannot find them on the Easton website, but I assume they are for youth target shooting.

    I trimmed my toggles down, they are now 1 gram each. I put some points and heads on my stakes which made them longer by about 1/2" and bumped the weight up to 4 grams each. I just got home from work and I'm beat, but after I get up I'll try and get out to try them and get some pictures.
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    I just got a big bag of discarded ends from the local gun store and the guy was more than happy to get rid of them. He has a big pile and just scooped a bunch into a bag for me. However, after looking through them all, there are only 3 aluminum blanks.

    From what I'm reading, the carbon will work, but will degrade quickly with use. So my questions are:
    1. How many hangs should I expect to get from one set of carbon toggles?
    2. Since they're free and I have an abundant source should I just use them a couple of times and toss them, or would I be better off just ditching the carbon and pick through to find the aluminium?

    I guess can still use the carbon for tarp toggles if they aren't suitable for hanging.

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    I get the idea from angry sparrow that the carbon ones don't make good toggles. My toggles weigh a gram each and seem to do fine. The weight is on the knot and not the toggle. I can't imagine that carbon fiber toggles could save you much more weight than aluminum if my toggles are already one gram each.
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    Yeah, I didn't say it clearly in the OP but the shop here said they usually just throw them away but he could save me some. When I told him I was going to cut them into about 3" pieces he pulled out a shaft with a broken end and an old crossbow shaft and just gave them to me.

    There's a product called Liquid Tape (electrical section of HD) and Liquid Grip (Paint section of HD). I wonder if you could dip the ends of the graphite in it to help seal the ends and maybe prolong the life. Other wise, as much fun as making gear is, I'd prefer not to have to continuously remake toggles to save a fraction of a gram.

    I also wonder if the liquid grip product would be a good thing to help protect toggle cord from the sharp aluminum edges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGT Rock View Post
    Can you buy field tips?

    In case you couldn't tell I am not an archer.
    Yup - I'll try to get some pics (I'll build one).

    Here are the pieces in linear order of assembly.

    Insert goes into end (1) of arrow shaft. Insert goes into end (2) of arrow shaft. Field-tip gets screwed into end of insert.

    If you wanted to, you could put a washer on the other end.

    Actually, here are inserts:
    http://www.google.com/products?hl=en...ed=0CBkQzAMwAA

    and here are fieldpoints:
    http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...080&hasJS=true

    There are many kinds of each. Different diameters and weights. Some for aluminum, some for carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGT Rock View Post
    I get the idea from angry sparrow that the carbon ones don't make good toggles. My toggles weigh a gram each and seem to do fine. The weight is on the knot and not the toggle. I can't imagine that carbon fiber toggles could save you much more weight than aluminum if my toggles are already one gram each.
    This is pretty much what I figured as well - my carbon arrow shafts are super tough (but I buy really expensive arrows) so your MMV. Either should work fine really. Don't get carbon fiber splinters though - they hurt a lot.
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    I saw those yesterday when I went back to get another arrow to play with. FWIW, the OD and probably the ID on this arrow is smaller than the other arrows I saw there yesterday.

    Here is my hillbilly solution:



    I took a 2-3/4" hardwood golf tee and cut it in half, then super glued the parts into the aluminum shaft. After they were in I used some vice grips to give a little extra crimp in the shaft to hold onto the tee parts. It didn't take much as the fit is very close on the tee and the ID on the arrow.

    And it is 5-1/2" long and weighs 4 grams. Less than the 6" carbon fiber stakes by about 3 grams each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavscout View Post
    I also wonder if the liquid grip product would be a good thing to help protect toggle cord from the sharp aluminum edges.
    I was going to say this hasn't been an issue for me. But I just got back in from checking my new rig and I got one of my toggle strings cut by the end edge of a toggle.
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