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    Proper staking is it's own true art.
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    Whooooo Buddy)))) All Secure in Sector Seven

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    That's why my wife does the grilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baka Dasai View Post
    Thanks, that's really useful data.

    I've always been a shock-cord guy, but it might be time for a change.
    Do your own test on a windy day. For me yesterday was like a week of camping with different setups every hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibgary View Post
    No on photos of the stakes. I used 2 methods to attach to the stakes, clove hitch or bowline. The line never came off the stakes unless the stake pulled out.

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    Not concerned about the knot/hitch, but rather the angle at which the stakes were put into the ground, and precisely where on the stake the cord was tied... was the cord tied to the stake right at ground level or slightly above? I've seen folks attach the guy line to the stake 2-3" above ground with a stake pounded partway into the ground, straight up, and wonder why it comes out.

    I use Ti shepherd hooks and make sure they are pounded in all the way to the hilt, at about a 30 angle, with the guy line right at ground level. If the ground is soft or the stake cannot be pounded in all the way due to rocks/roots, or if there is any doubt about the holding power, I put a rock on top of the guy line in front of the stake. This has worked for me with winds of 30-40mph and gusts to 50mph.

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    My stakes are always pretty much buried to the top. I also stomp the ground with my heel before inserting the stake since the sandy MI soil is very loose. I easily create a 4" deep imprint without trying hard, and still it's not 100% but good enough for a Y stake.

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    The stakes I used were the Dutch y stakes and they were put in at about 45* angle. Tied off in the notch at soil level. One of them was placed horizontally on the surface behind two rocks with a brick on top (clove hitch) didn't move.
    When I used shock cords, on 2 stakes, they were both on the down wind side. I watched for about 2 minutes, but didn't see the stakes come out. I did see what looked like a near constant vibration when the wind was blowing. The shock cord was constantly under different loads as the cord streatched and contracted.
    If I knew more about video and YouTube I'd set up my go pro on the next windy day and try to capture the movment and failure .

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    I also set up my recently repaired tarp and left it up in the wind to test the repair. One side was tied off, truckers hitch to the fence, the other side was/is staked out and tied off using using a doubled back 2:1 pull tied with a slippery half hitch. One of the hitches on the fence side came untied. The others all held and the repair held too. Background tarp

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    I remember watching a video that claimed that inserting stakes in the ground at a level straight up (90 angle to the ground) was actually better than angling them relative to the pull of the cordage. Seems counter-intuitive, always wondered about the validity of such a claim. I suppose what they meant was you should angle the cordage by staking further out and insert the stake straight up and down? Sounds like an incentive to use longer stake lines if true.

    Real-time follow up: just searched youtube and found yet another video confirming all this. Going to have to change my habits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shug View Post
    Proper staking is it's own true art.
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    Home is where you stake it )) #TarpLife

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyRandy View Post
    I remember watching a video that claimed that inserting stakes in the ground at a level straight up (90 angle to the ground) was actually better than angling them relative to the pull of the cordage. Seems counter-intuitive, always wondered about the validity of such a claim. I suppose what they meant was you should angle the cordage by staking further out and insert the stake straight up and down? Sounds like an incentive to use longer stake lines if true.

    Real-time follow up: just searched youtube and found yet another video confirming all this. Going to have to change my habits!
    Link?

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